################################################ Subj: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 03-Oct-00 13:30:47 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of friendship!" All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What the Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > >Buddy, > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? Is >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I forgot >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a deal >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. The >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a lot of >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my hair. >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows back. > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. You >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you think? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person where > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the fact >that > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make false > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that >if > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend >so > >much > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>CC: > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > >> > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > >> > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > >> > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character in >a > > >>story? > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >> > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >> >CC: > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > >> > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why is >that? > > >>Bill > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always >exercised. > >I > > >> >have > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground noise >while > > >>doing > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh the > >humanity! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >> > >CC: > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > >> > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the Pope >tries > >to > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as an > >exorcist. > > >> >Then > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. Coincidence? > > >>Nah.... > > >> > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > >> > > > > >> > >Mark > > >> > >The Liberator > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > >> > >To: ; > > >> > >Cc: > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips and >stuff. > > >> >Please > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > >> > > >To: > > >> > > >CC: , > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I >now > > >>offer > > >> >to > > >> > > >you > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > >> > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > From: .. > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which >I > >now > > >> >offer > > >> > >to > > >> > > >you > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what a >cup > >of > > >>pop > > >> >and > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > >> > > > Bill > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which I > > >>now > > >> > >offer > > >> > > >to you > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for food >and > >drink > > >> >many > > >> > > >times > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate >typing. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >> > > > >To: > > >> > > > >CC: , > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >>now > > >> > >offer > > >> > > >to > > >> > > > >you > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the >other > > >>email. > > >> > >Well > > >> > > >if > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems to >have > > >> >slandered > > >> > > >your > > >> > > > >name > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a >very > > >> >emotional > > >> > > >topic and > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > >relinquish > > >> >his > > >> > > >"lifes > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish >everything > >that > > >> >he > > >> > > >believes > > >> > > > >in > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I don't > >believe > > >> >much > > >> > >is > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. >Neither > > >> >party > > >> > >will > > >> > > >ever > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not refuting > >that > >I > > >> > >believe > > >> > > >in > > >> > > > >God > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I just >don't > > >>have > > >> >the > > >> > > >time to > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are >better > >left > > >> >alone > > >> > > >if the > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the discussion >at > >hand. > > >> > >Maybe > > >> > > >you > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill a > >little. > > >>I > > >> > >wish > > >> > > >you > > >> > > > >all > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >>I > > >> >now > > >> > > >offer to > > >> > > > > > you > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill M.) is > >your > > >> >friend, > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not >prevent > > >>you > > >> >from > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side >with me > > >> >against > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the >cause of > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my own > > >> > >fundamentalist > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught that > > >>Christians > > >> >at > > >> > >to > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed in >his > > >> >published > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees that >they > > >>serve > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought has > > >>changed > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the >heavy > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want to >serve > > >> >Truth. > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and apply >those > > >> >Christian > > >> > > >values. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be >examined. > >That > > >> >is > > >> > >why > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that you > >could > > >> >learn > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really is. > >That > > >>is > > >> >also > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of the > > >> >correspondence > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for yourself >what > > >>had > > >> >been > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a >disagreement > > >>over > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to the > >facts. > > >>I > > >> >am > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill lied >to > > >>you. > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into the > > >> >discussion. > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine the > >facts > > >> > >whereas > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is willfully > > >>preventing > > >> >our > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill has > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to resolve >that > > >> >matter. > > >> > >He > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, >saying > >that > > >>I > > >> >had > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. I >am > >sure > > >> >that > > >> > >I > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about Bill in > >print. > > >> >I > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > >>accusations, > > >> >at > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had said, >as > > >>close > > >> >as > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. >Until > >he > > >> > >provides > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages to > >examine > > >> >in > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, we >need > >to > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I had >said > >and > > >> >what > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly called >for > > >> > >examination > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored those > > >> >requests. > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he could > >have > > >> >missed > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if we > >include > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be >withholding > > >>his > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that Bill >is > > >> >willfully > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > >supposed > > >>to > > >> > > >behave? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me >against > > >>Bill, > > >> >but > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have just > >repeated > > >> >to > > >> > >you > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can read >the > > >>actual > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful or >Bill > >is. > > >> >Or > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this >matter. > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We need > >help. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take is to >try > >to > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so that >we > >can > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think I >said > >to > > >> >insult > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he think I > >called > > >> >him? > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the list >of > > >> > >accusations > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed that he >had > > >> >indeed > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then at >least > > >>try > > >> >to > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to >divulge > >that > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had truly > >done > > >>the > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would >find > >them > > >> >right > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that explanation, >please > > >>ask > > >> >he > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in this > >case. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees this >mess > >as > > >>one > > >> >big > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all that >he > >can. > > >> >As > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot have a > > >> >meaningful > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of correspondence >with > >Bill > > >> >has > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do >almost > > >> >anything he > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. Even > >break > > >>one > > >> >of > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill >Morgan > >has > > >> >made > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and >[his] > > >> >wife" > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to > >destroy > > >> > > >society". > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a >name > > >> >calling > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife >as > > >>evil. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of >those > > >>who > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and > > >>wicked, > > >> >the > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his >beliefs. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words >that > >were > > >> >anti > > >> > > > > > religious". > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these accusations >or > > >>else > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a most > >sincere > > >> >apology > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those accusations >and > > >> > >particularly > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of this > >matter. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own >public > > >>profile > > >> >at > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile > >at > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile at > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:30:46 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:30:19 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25874; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:29:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <002501c02d78$ed432560$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 03-Oct-00 13:34:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose to be miserable." Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter religion. "One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy." One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their non-logic is a constant joke. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:34:00 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:33:53 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26501; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:33:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <003201c02d79$72ab5e20$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Why are religious people afraid of death? Date: 03-Oct-00 13:52:45 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person..." This is possibly true. "...where miracles occurred." There is CONVINCING evidence? Don't make me laugh. "If you don't want to believe and accept the fact that the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make false statements." Bill, that last sentence is being passed off as fact and as part of some 'logical' argument. Now THAT'S like using a non-existent spoon to eat a painting of spoiled spaghetti. [smile] "It just makes you look bad." How does slaughtering logic make you look good? If you want to believe that a mythical, superintelligent, all-powerful entity loves you -- Freud thought this to be an extension of a father figure mentality -- that's your business. Just don't try to suck me into that mentality. See these links; you'll enjoy them: http://liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html http://liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html http://liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html = ) If you are too intimidated by logic to comment on them, I'll understand. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-st07.mail.aol.com (rly-st07.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.18]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:52:45 -0400 Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by rly-st07.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA06412 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:49:10 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28789; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:48:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <004f01c02d7b$987055a0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , , References: <002301c02bfb$103a0f40$5a45fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Why are religious people afraid of death? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:50:40 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 03-Oct-00 13:57:27 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so much time angry about it?" Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you that I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it quite humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. = ) Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's easier than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few chuckles out of it. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-st03.mail.aol.com (rly-st03.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.2]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by rly-st03.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA19414 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:54:16 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29574; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:54:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <005601c02d7c$4d93cb60$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? 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Date: 03-Oct-00 13:58:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "Believe what you want and I will believe what I want. :) John 3:16 Bill" Yes, you are entitled to rest your whole belief system in a myth. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:19 AM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"When you know the truth you are happy." > >Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character in a story? > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>From: "Media One Mail" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 >> >>Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why is that? Bill >>your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Morgan >> To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net >> Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM >> Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >> >> >> I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always exercised. I >>have >> been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground noise while doing >> other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh the humanity! >> >> >> >From: "Mark" >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , >> >CC: >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >> >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 >> > >> >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the Pope tries to >> >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as an exorcist. >>Then >> >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. Coincidence? Nah.... >> > >> >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... >> > >> >Mark >> >The Liberator >> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Bill Morgan >> >To: ; >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM >> >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >> > >> > >> >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips and stuff. >>Please >> >bring a liter bottle of your choice. >> > >> > >> > >From: "Mark" >> > >To: >> > >CC: , >> > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer >>to >> > >you >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 >> > > >> > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: .. >> > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >> > > Cc: editor@liberator.net >> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM >> > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now >>offer >> >to >> > >you >> > > >> > > >> > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what a cup of pop >>and >> > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! >> > > Bill >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Bill Morgan >> > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com >> > > Cc: editor@liberator.net >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM >> > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now >> >offer >> > >to you >> > > >> > > >> > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for food and drink >>many >> > >times >> > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate typing. >> > > >> > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) >> > > >> > > >> > > >From: "Bill Bequette" >> > > >To: >> > > >CC: , >> > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now >> >offer >> > >to >> > > >you >> > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 >> > > > >> > > >Sorry, >> > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the other email. >> >Well >> > >if >> > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems to have >>slandered >> > >your >> > > >name >> > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a very >>emotional >> > >topic and >> > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to relinquish >>his >> > >"lifes >> > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish everything that >>he >> > >believes >> > > >in >> > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I don't believe >>much >> >is >> > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. Neither >>party >> >will >> > >ever >> > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not refuting that I >> >believe >> > >in >> > > >God >> > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I just don't have >>the >> > >time to >> > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are better left >>alone >> > >if the >> > > >goal is to convert the other based on the discussion at hand. >> >Maybe >> > >you >> > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill a little. I >> >wish >> > >you >> > > >all >> > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. >> > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM >> > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net >> > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; >>billyjack1@hotmail.com >> > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I >>now >> > >offer to >> > > > > you >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill M.) is your >>friend, >> > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not prevent you >>from >> > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side with me >>against >> > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the cause of >> > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my own >> >fundamentalist >> > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught that Christians >>at >> >to >> > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed in his >>published >> > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees that they serve >> > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought has changed >> > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the heavy >> > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want to serve >>Truth. >> > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and apply those >>Christian >> > >values. >> > > > > >> > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be examined. That >>is >> >why >> > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that you could >>learn >> > > > > something about what the situation here really is. That is >>also >> > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of the >>correspondence >> > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for yourself what had >>been >> > > > > said and what was going on. >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a disagreement over >> > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to the facts. I >>am >> > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill lied to you. >> > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into the >>discussion. >> > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine the facts >> >whereas >> > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is willfully preventing >>our >> > > > > examination of the facts. >> > > > > >> > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill has >> > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to resolve that >>matter. >> >He >> > > > > has made several false accusations against me, saying that I >>had >> > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. I am sure >>that >> >I >> > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about Bill in print. >>I >> > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his accusations, >>at >> > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had said, as close >>as >> > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. Until he >> >provides >> > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages to examine >>in >> > > > > order to arrive at the truth. >> > > > > >> > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, we need to >> > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I had said and >>what >> > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly called for >> >examination >> > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored those >>requests. >> > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he could have >>missed >> > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if we include >> > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be withholding his >> > > > > information willfully. That would mean that Bill is >>willfully >> > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is supposed to >> > >behave? >> > > > > >> > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me against Bill, >>but >> > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have just repeated >>to >> >you >> > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can read the actual >> > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful or Bill is. >>Or >> > > > > neither of us. >> > > > > >> > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this matter. >> > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We need help. >> > > > > >> > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take is to try to >> > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so that we can >> > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think I said to >>insult >> > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he think I called >>him? >> > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the list of >> >accusations >> > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed that he had >>indeed >> > > > > made those accusations. >> > > > > >> > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then at least try >>to >> > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to divulge that >> > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had truly done the >> > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would find them >>right >> > > > > there in the record. >> > > > > >> > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that explanation, please ask >>he >> > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in this case. >> > > > > >> > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees this mess as one >>big >> > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all that he can. >>As >> > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot have a >>meaningful >> > > > > discussion. About three years of correspondence with Bill >>has >> > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do almost >>anything he >> > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. Even break one >>of >> > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. >> > > > > >> > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill Morgan has >>made >> > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: >> > > > > >> > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] >>wife" >> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy >> > >society". >> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". >> > > > > >> > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name >>calling >> > > > > 2nd grader." >> > > > > >> > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. >> > > > > >> > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. >> > > > > >> > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." >> > > > > >> > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who >> > > > > beleive in Gid". >> > > > > >> > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, >>the >> > > > > world's most sinister people". >> > > > > >> > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. >> > > > > >> > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words that were >>anti >> > > > > religious". >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these accusations or else >> > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a most sincere >>apology >> > > > > to all parties for having made those accusations and >> >particularly >> > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of this matter. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> > >http://www.hotmail.com. >> > > >> > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >>at >> > > http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > >> > >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>http://www.hotmail.com. >> > >> >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> >http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-st10.mail.aol.com (rly-st10.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.4]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:58:44 -0400 Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by rly-st10.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA18842 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:56:33 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29829; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:56:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <005b01c02d7c$952e2d80$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <001001c02bf0$20340780$5a45fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:57:45 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 03-Oct-00 14:57:58 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair cut? Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's never satisfied." >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of >friendship!" > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What >the >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > >Buddy, > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? >Is > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I >forgot > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a >deal > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. >The > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a lot >of > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my hair. > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows >back. > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. >You > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you >think? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people >choose > >to > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and >grumpy > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person >where > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the fact > >that > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make false > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend > >so > > >much > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > >>CC: > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > >> > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >> > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > >> > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character >in > >a > > > >>story? > > > >> > > > >>= ) > > > >> > > > >>Mark > > > >>The Liberator > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >> >CC: > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > >> > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why is > >that? > > > >>Bill > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > >exercised. > > >I > > > >> >have > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground noise > >while > > > >>doing > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh the > > >humanity! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the Pope > >tries > > >to > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as an > > >exorcist. > > > >> >Then > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. >Coincidence? > > > >>Nah.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > >To: ; > > > >> > >Cc: > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips and > >stuff. > > > >> >Please > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > > >To: > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which >I > >now > > > >>offer > > > >> >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > >> >offer > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what a > >cup > > >of > > > >>pop > > > >> >and > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > >> > > > Bill > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for food > >and > > >drink > > > >> >many > > > >> > > >times > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > >typing. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >> > > > >To: > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to > > > >> > > > >you > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the > >other > > > >>email. > > > >> > >Well > > > >> > > >if > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems to > >have > > > >> >slandered > > > >> > > >your > > > >> > > > >name > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a > >very > > > >> >emotional > > > >> > > >topic and > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > > >relinquish > > > >> >his > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > >everything > > >that > > > >> >he > > > >> > > >believes > > > >> > > > >in > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I don't > > >believe > > > >> >much > > > >> > >is > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. > >Neither > > > >> >party > > > >> > >will > > > >> > > >ever > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not >refuting > > >that > > >I > > > >> > >believe > > > >> > > >in > > > >> > > > >God > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I just > >don't > > > >>have > > > >> >the > > > >> > > >time to > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are > >better > > >left > > > >> >alone > > > >> > > >if the > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the discussion > >at > > >hand. > > > >> > >Maybe > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill a > > >little. > > > >>I > > > >> > >wish > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >all > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >>I > > > >> >now > > > >> > > >offer to > > > >> > > > > > you > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill M.) >is > > >your > > > >> >friend, > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not > >prevent > > > >>you > > > >> >from > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side > >with me > > > >> >against > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the > >cause of > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my >own > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught that > > > >>Christians > > > >> >at > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed in > >his > > > >> >published > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees that > >they > > > >>serve > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought >has > > > >>changed > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the > >heavy > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want to > >serve > > > >> >Truth. > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and apply > >those > > > >> >Christian > > > >> > > >values. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > >examined. > > >That > > > >> >is > > > >> > >why > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that >you > > >could > > > >> >learn > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really >is. > > >That > > > >>is > > > >> >also > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of the > > > >> >correspondence > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for >yourself > >what > > > >>had > > > >> >been > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > >disagreement > > > >>over > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to the > > >facts. > > > >>I > > > >> >am > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill >lied > >to > > > >>you. > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into >the > > > >> >discussion. > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine >the > > >facts > > > >> > >whereas > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is willfully > > > >>preventing > > > >> >our > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill >has > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to resolve > >that > > > >> >matter. > > > >> > >He > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, > >saying > > >that > > > >>I > > > >> >had > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. >I > >am > > >sure > > > >> >that > > > >> > >I > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about Bill >in > > >print. > > > >> >I > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > > >>accusations, > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had >said, > >as > > > >>close > > > >> >as > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. > >Until > > >he > > > >> > >provides > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages >to > > >examine > > > >> >in > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, >we > >need > > >to > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I had > >said > > >and > > > >> >what > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly called > >for > > > >> > >examination > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored >those > > > >> >requests. > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he >could > > >have > > > >> >missed > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if we > > >include > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > >withholding > > > >>his > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that Bill > >is > > > >> >willfully > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > > >supposed > > > >>to > > > >> > > >behave? > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me > >against > > > >>Bill, > > > >> >but > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have just > > >repeated > > > >> >to > > > >> > >you > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can read > >the > > > >>actual > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful or > >Bill > > >is. > > > >> >Or > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We >need > > >help. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take is >to > >try > > >to > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so >that > >we > > >can > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think I > >said > > >to > > > >> >insult > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he think >I > > >called > > > >> >him? > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the >list > >of > > > >> > >accusations > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed that >he > >had > > > >> >indeed > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then at > >least > > > >>try > > > >> >to > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > >divulge > > >that > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had >truly > > >done > > > >>the > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would > >find > > >them > > > >> >right > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that explanation, > >please > > > >>ask > > > >> >he > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in >this > > >case. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees this > >mess > > >as > > > >>one > > > >> >big > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all that > >he > > >can. > > > >> >As > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot have >a > > > >> >meaningful > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of correspondence > >with > > >Bill > > > >> >has > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > >almost > > > >> >anything he > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. >Even > > >break > > > >>one > > > >> >of > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > >Morgan > > >has > > > >> >made > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and > >[his] > > > >> >wife" > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to > > >destroy > > > >> > > >society". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of >a > >name > > > >> >calling > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his >wife > >as > > > >>evil. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of > >those > > > >>who > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil >and > > > >>wicked, > > > >> >the > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > >beliefs. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words > >that > > >were > > > >> >anti > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these >accusations > >or > > > >>else > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a most > > >sincere > > > >> >apology > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those accusations > >and > > > >> > >particularly > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of >this > > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > >public > > > >>profile > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile > > >at > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile at > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f129.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.129]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:56:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:56:41 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:56:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:56:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 21:56:41.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE2E3A0:01C02D84] ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 03-Oct-00 14:59:57 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:59:57 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f229.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.229]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:59:29 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:59:24 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:59:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:59:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 21:59:24.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[313A0480:01C02D85] ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 03-Oct-00 15:02:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com File: Whatsdog.txt (58232 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard haircut. Is that acceptable? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair cut? Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's never satisfied." >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of >friendship!" > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What >the >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > >Buddy, > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? >Is > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I >forgot > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a >deal > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. >The > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a lot >of > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my hair. > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows >back. > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. >You > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you >think? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people >choose > >to > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and >grumpy > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person >where > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the fact > >that > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make false > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend > >so > > >much > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > >>CC: > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > >> > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >> > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > >> > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character >in > >a > > > >>story? > > > >> > > > >>= ) > > > >> > > > >>Mark > > > >>The Liberator > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >> >CC: > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > >> > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why is > >that? > > > >>Bill > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > >exercised. > > >I > > > >> >have > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground noise > >while > > > >>doing > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh the > > >humanity! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the Pope > >tries > > >to > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as an > > >exorcist. > > > >> >Then > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. >Coincidence? > > > >>Nah.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > >To: ; > > > >> > >Cc: > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips and > >stuff. > > > >> >Please > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > > >To: > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which >I > >now > > > >>offer > > > >> >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > >> >offer > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what a > >cup > > >of > > > >>pop > > > >> >and > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > >> > > > Bill > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for food > >and > > >drink > > > >> >many > > > >> > > >times > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > >typing. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >> > > > >To: > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to > > > >> > > > >you > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the > >other > > > >>email. > > > >> > >Well > > > >> > > >if > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems to > >have > > > >> >slandered > > > >> > > >your > > > >> > > > >name > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a > >very > > > >> >emotional > > > >> > > >topic and > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > > >relinquish > > > >> >his > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > >everything > > >that > > > >> >he > > > >> > > >believes > > > >> > > > >in > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I don't > > >believe > > > >> >much > > > >> > >is > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. > >Neither > > > >> >party > > > >> > >will > > > >> > > >ever > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not >refuting > > >that > > >I > > > >> > >believe > > > >> > > >in > > > >> > > > >God > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I just > >don't > > > >>have > > > >> >the > > > >> > > >time to > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are > >better > > >left > > > >> >alone > > > >> > > >if the > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the discussion > >at > > >hand. > > > >> > >Maybe > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill a > > >little. > > > >>I > > > >> > >wish > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >all > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >>I > > > >> >now > > > >> > > >offer to > > > >> > > > > > you > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill M.) >is > > >your > > > >> >friend, > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not > >prevent > > > >>you > > > >> >from > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side > >with me > > > >> >against > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the > >cause of > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my >own > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught that > > > >>Christians > > > >> >at > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed in > >his > > > >> >published > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees that > >they > > > >>serve > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought >has > > > >>changed > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the > >heavy > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want to > >serve > > > >> >Truth. > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and apply > >those > > > >> >Christian > > > >> > > >values. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > >examined. > > >That > > > >> >is > > > >> > >why > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that >you > > >could > > > >> >learn > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really >is. > > >That > > > >>is > > > >> >also > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of the > > > >> >correspondence > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for >yourself > >what > > > >>had > > > >> >been > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > >disagreement > > > >>over > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to the > > >facts. > > > >>I > > > >> >am > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill >lied > >to > > > >>you. > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into >the > > > >> >discussion. > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine >the > > >facts > > > >> > >whereas > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is willfully > > > >>preventing > > > >> >our > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill >has > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to resolve > >that > > > >> >matter. > > > >> > >He > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, > >saying > > >that > > > >>I > > > >> >had > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. >I > >am > > >sure > > > >> >that > > > >> > >I > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about Bill >in > > >print. > > > >> >I > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > > >>accusations, > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had >said, > >as > > > >>close > > > >> >as > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. > >Until > > >he > > > >> > >provides > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages >to > > >examine > > > >> >in > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, >we > >need > > >to > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I had > >said > > >and > > > >> >what > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly called > >for > > > >> > >examination > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored >those > > > >> >requests. > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he >could > > >have > > > >> >missed > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if we > > >include > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > >withholding > > > >>his > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that Bill > >is > > > >> >willfully > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > > >supposed > > > >>to > > > >> > > >behave? > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me > >against > > > >>Bill, > > > >> >but > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have just > > >repeated > > > >> >to > > > >> > >you > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can read > >the > > > >>actual > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful or > >Bill > > >is. > > > >> >Or > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We >need > > >help. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take is >to > >try > > >to > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so >that > >we > > >can > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think I > >said > > >to > > > >> >insult > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he think >I > > >called > > > >> >him? > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the >list > >of > > > >> > >accusations > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed that >he > >had > > > >> >indeed > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then at > >least > > > >>try > > > >> >to > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > >divulge > > >that > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had >truly > > >done > > > >>the > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would > >find > > >them > > > >> >right > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that explanation, > >please > > > >>ask > > > >> >he > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in >this > > >case. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees this > >mess > > >as > > > >>one > > > >> >big > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all that > >he > > >can. > > > >> >As > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot have >a > > > >> >meaningful > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of correspondence > >with > > >Bill > > > >> >has > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > >almost > > > >> >anything he > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. >Even > > >break > > > >>one > > > >> >of > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > >Morgan > > >has > > > >> >made > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and > >[his] > > > >> >wife" > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to > > >destroy > > > >> > > >society". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of >a > >name > > > >> >calling > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his >wife > >as > > > >>evil. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of > >those > > > >>who > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil >and > > > >>wicked, > > > >> >the > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > >beliefs. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words > >that > > >were > > > >> >anti > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these >accusations > >or > > > >>else > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a most > > >sincere > > > >> >apology > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those accusations > >and > > > >> > >particularly > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of >this > > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > >public > > > >>profile > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile > > >at > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile at > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:02:16 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:59:31 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust130.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.130]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06949; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002e01c02d84$cb15a420$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:56:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C02D4A.1D4EB0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 03-Oct-00 15:02:20 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I thought you believed it was true just unappealling. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship >in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so >much >time angry about it?" > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you >that >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it quite >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > >= ) > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's easier >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few >chuckles out of it. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:02:20 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.59]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:01:59 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:01:58 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:01:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:01:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 22:01:58.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CEE6D70:01C02D85] ################################################ Subj: I think the moon got there by chance Date: 03-Oct-00 15:04:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Oh.........a wise guy! >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:56:30 -0700 > >I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard >haircut. Is that acceptable? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > > Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair >cut? > > Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's >never > satisfied." > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become > >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token >of > >friendship!" > > > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. >What > >the > >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > > > >Buddy, > > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this >weekend? > >Is > > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I > >forgot > > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought >an > > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a > >deal > > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. > >The > > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a >lot > >of > > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my >hair. > > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is >the > > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows > >back. > > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. > >You > > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you > >think? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people > >choose > > >to > > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and > >grumpy > > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person > >where > > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the >fact > > >that > > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make >false > > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; >billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed >out > >that > > >if > > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend > > >so > > > >much > > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > >>CC: > > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > > >> > > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a >character > >in > > >a > > > > >>story? > > > > >> > > > > >>= ) > > > > >> > > > > >>Mark > > > > >>The Liberator > > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> >CC: > > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why >is > > >that? > > > > >>Bill > > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > > >exercised. > > > >I > > > > >> >have > > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground >noise > > >while > > > > >>doing > > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh >the > > > >humanity! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the >Pope > > >tries > > > >to > > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as >an > > > >exorcist. > > > > >> >Then > > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. > >Coincidence? > > > > >>Nah.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > >To: ; > > > > >> > >Cc: > > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips >and > > >stuff. > > > > >> >Please > > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > > >To: > > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > > >>offer > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >now > > > > >> >offer > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing >what a > > >cup > > > >of > > > > >>pop > > > > >> >and > > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > > >> > > > Bill > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for >food > > >and > > > >drink > > > > >> >many > > > > >> > > >times > > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > > >typing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >> > > > >To: > > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to > > > > >> > > > >you > > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent >the > > >other > > > > >>email. > > > > >> > >Well > > > > >> > > >if > > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems >to > > >have > > > > >> >slandered > > > > >> > > >your > > > > >> > > > >name > > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are >a > > >very > > > > >> >emotional > > > > >> > > >topic and > > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him >to > > > >relinquish > > > > >> >his > > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > > >everything > > > >that > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > >believes > > > > >> > > > >in > > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I >don't > > > >believe > > > > >> >much > > > > >> > >is > > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or >politics. > > >Neither > > > > >> >party > > > > >> > >will > > > > >> > > >ever > > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not > >refuting > > > >that > > > >I > > > > >> > >believe > > > > >> > > >in > > > > >> > > > >God > > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I >just > > >don't > > > > >>have > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > >time to > > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues >are > > >better > > > >left > > > > >> >alone > > > > >> > > >if the > > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the >discussion > > >at > > > >hand. > > > > >> > >Maybe > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and >chill a > > > >little. > > > > >>I > > > > >> > >wish > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >all > > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my > >defense > > > >which > > > > >>I > > > > >> >now > > > > >> > > >offer to > > > > >> > > > > > you > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill >M.) > >is > > > >your > > > > >> >friend, > > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would >not > > >prevent > > > > >>you > > > > >> >from > > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to >side > > >with me > > > > >> >against > > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with >the > > >cause of > > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From >my > >own > > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught >that > > > > >>Christians > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed >in > > >his > > > > >> >published > > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees >that > > >they > > > > >>serve > > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian >thought > >has > > > > >>changed > > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides >the > > >heavy > > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also >want to > > >serve > > > > >> >Truth. > > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and >apply > > >those > > > > >> >Christian > > > > >> > > >values. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > > >examined. > > > >That > > > > >> >is > > > > >> > >why > > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so >that > >you > > > >could > > > > >> >learn > > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here >really > >is. > > > >That > > > > >>is > > > > >> >also > > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of >the > > > > >> >correspondence > > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for > >yourself > > >what > > > > >>had > > > > >> >been > > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > > >disagreement > > > > >>over > > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to >the > > > >facts. > > > > >>I > > > > >> >am > > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but >Bill > >lied > > >to > > > > >>you. > > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter >into > >the > > > > >> >discussion. > > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we >examine > >the > > > >facts > > > > >> > >whereas > > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is >willfully > > > > >>preventing > > > > >> >our > > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that >Bill > >has > > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to >resolve > > >that > > > > >> >matter. > > > > >> > >He > > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against >me, > > >saying > > > >that > > > > >>I > > > > >> >had > > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible >things. > >I > > >am > > > >sure > > > > >> >that > > > > >> > >I > > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about >Bill > >in > > > >print. > > > > >> >I > > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate >his > > > > >>accusations, > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had > >said, > > >as > > > > >>close > > > > >> >as > > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly >refuses. > > >Until > > > >he > > > > >> > >provides > > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which >messages > >to > > > >examine > > > > >> >in > > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this >matter, > >we > > >need > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I >had > > >said > > > >and > > > > >> >what > > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly >called > > >for > > > > >> > >examination > > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored > >those > > > > >> >requests. > > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he > >could > > > >have > > > > >> >missed > > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if >we > > > >include > > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > > >withholding > > > > >>his > > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that >Bill > > >is > > > > >> >willfully > > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian >is > > > >supposed > > > > >>to > > > > >> > > >behave? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with >me > > >against > > > > >>Bill, > > > > >> >but > > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have >just > > > >repeated > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > >you > > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can >read > > >the > > > > >>actual > > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful >or > > >Bill > > > >is. > > > > >> >Or > > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. >We > >need > > > >help. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take >is > >to > > >try > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information >so > >that > > >we > > > >can > > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he >think I > > >said > > > >to > > > > >> >insult > > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he >think > >I > > > >called > > > > >> >him? > > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the > >list > > >of > > > > >> > >accusations > > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed >that > >he > > >had > > > > >> >indeed > > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, >then at > > >least > > > > >>try > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > > >divulge > > > >that > > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had > >truly > > > >done > > > > >>the > > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we >would > > >find > > > >them > > > > >> >right > > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that >explanation, > > >please > > > > >>ask > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined >in > >this > > > >case. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees >this > > >mess > > > >as > > > > >>one > > > > >> >big > > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all >that > > >he > > > >can. > > > > >> >As > > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot >have > >a > > > > >> >meaningful > > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of >correspondence > > >with > > > >Bill > > > > >> >has > > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > > >almost > > > > >> >anything he > > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. > >Even > > > >break > > > > >>one > > > > >> >of > > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false >witness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > > >Morgan > > > >has > > > > >> >made > > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate >follows: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] >and > > >[his] > > > > >> >wife" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person >out to > > > >destroy > > > > >> > > >society". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in >God". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level >of > >a > > >name > > > > >> >calling > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and >his > >wife > > >as > > > > >>evil. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife >thought of > > >those > > > > >>who > > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are >evil > >and > > > > >>wicked, > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > > >beliefs. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty >words > > >that > > > >were > > > > >> >anti > > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these > >accusations > > >or > > > > >>else > > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a >most > > > >sincere > > > > >> >apology > > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those >accusations > > >and > > > > >> > >particularly > > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of > >this > > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > >public > > > > >>profile > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile > > > >at > > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile at > > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile > >at > > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile at > > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:04:31 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f124.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.124]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:03:51 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:03:51 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:03:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: I think the moon got there by chance Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:03:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 22:03:51.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[D02CA160:01C02D85] ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 03-Oct-00 15:15:22 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com 10 points to Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I thought you believed it was true just unappealling. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship >in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so >much >time angry about it?" > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you >that >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it quite >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > >= ) > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's easier >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few >chuckles out of it. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
10 points to Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place?
Mark, I apologized.  Based upon your obcession with Christianity I thought you believed it was true just unappealling. >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship >in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"Mark:  why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so >much >time angry about it?" > >Bill, I didn't ignore it.  You must have missed the letter.  I told you >that >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction.  In fact, I find it quite >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > >= ) > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories.  I guess it's easier >than believing reality.  That's their call.  It's my right to get a few >chuckles out of it. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C02D4C.4E60B920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: I think the moon got there by chance Date: 03-Oct-00 15:15:51 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com File: Ithinkth.txt (74017 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Wissssssse guyyyyy! ehhhhh? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: I think the moon got there by chance Oh.........a wise guy! >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:56:30 -0700 > >I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard >haircut. Is that acceptable? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > > Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair >cut? > > Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's >never > satisfied." > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become > >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token >of > >friendship!" > > > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. >What > >the > >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > > > >Buddy, > > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this >weekend? > >Is > > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I > >forgot > > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought >an > > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a > >deal > > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. > >The > > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a >lot > >of > > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my >hair. > > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is >the > > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows > >back. > > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. > >You > > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you > >think? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people > >choose > > >to > > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and > >grumpy > > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person > >where > > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the >fact > > >that > > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make >false > > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; >billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed >out > >that > > >if > > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend > > >so > > > >much > > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > >>CC: > > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > > >> > > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a >character > >in > > >a > > > > >>story? > > > > >> > > > > >>= ) > > > > >> > > > > >>Mark > > > > >>The Liberator > > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> >CC: > > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why >is > > >that? > > > > >>Bill > > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > > >exercised. > > > >I > > > > >> >have > > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground >noise > > >while > > > > >>doing > > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh >the > > > >humanity! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the >Pope > > >tries > > > >to > > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as >an > > > >exorcist. > > > > >> >Then > > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. > >Coincidence? > > > > >>Nah.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > >To: ; > > > > >> > >Cc: > > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips >and > > >stuff. > > > > >> >Please > > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > > >To: > > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > > >>offer > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >now > > > > >> >offer > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing >what a > > >cup > > > >of > > > > >>pop > > > > >> >and > > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > > >> > > > Bill > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for >food > > >and > > > >drink > > > > >> >many > > > > >> > > >times > > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > > >typing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >> > > > >To: > > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to > > > > >> > > > >you > > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent >the > > >other > > > > >>email. > > > > >> > >Well > > > > >> > > >if > > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems >to > > >have > > > > >> >slandered > > > > >> > > >your > > > > >> > > > >name > > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are >a > > >very > > > > >> >emotional > > > > >> > > >topic and > > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him >to > > > >relinquish > > > > >> >his > > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > > >everything > > > >that > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > >believes > > > > >> > > > >in > > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I >don't > > > >believe > > > > >> >much > > > > >> > >is > > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or >politics. > > >Neither > > > > >> >party > > > > >> > >will > > > > >> > > >ever > > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not > >refuting > > > >that > > > >I > > > > >> > >believe > > > > >> > > >in > > > > >> > > > >God > > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I >just > > >don't > > > > >>have > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > >time to > > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues >are > > >better > > > >left > > > > >> >alone > > > > >> > > >if the > > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the >discussion > > >at > > > >hand. > > > > >> > >Maybe > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and >chill a > > > >little. > > > > >>I > > > > >> > >wish > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >all > > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my > >defense > > > >which > > > > >>I > > > > >> >now > > > > >> > > >offer to > > > > >> > > > > > you > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill >M.) > >is > > > >your > > > > >> >friend, > > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would >not > > >prevent > > > > >>you > > > > >> >from > > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to >side > > >with me > > > > >> >against > > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with >the > > >cause of > > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From >my > >own > > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught >that > > > > >>Christians > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed >in > > >his > > > > >> >published > > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees >that > > >they > > > > >>serve > > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian >thought > >has > > > > >>changed > > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides >the > > >heavy > > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also >want to > > >serve > > > > >> >Truth. > > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and >apply > > >those > > > > >> >Christian > > > > >> > > >values. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > > >examined. > > > >That > > > > >> >is > > > > >> > >why > > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so >that > >you > > > >could > > > > >> >learn > > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here >really > >is. > > > >That > > > > >>is > > > > >> >also > > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of >the > > > > >> >correspondence > > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for > >yourself > > >what > > > > >>had > > > > >> >been > > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > > >disagreement > > > > >>over > > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to >the > > > >facts. > > > > >>I > > > > >> >am > > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but >Bill > >lied > > >to > > > > >>you. > > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter >into > >the > > > > >> >discussion. > > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we >examine > >the > > > >facts > > > > >> > >whereas > > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is >willfully > > > > >>preventing > > > > >> >our > > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that >Bill > >has > > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to >resolve > > >that > > > > >> >matter. > > > > >> > >He > > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against >me, > > >saying > > > >that > > > > >>I > > > > >> >had > > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible >things. > >I > > >am > > > >sure > > > > >> >that > > > > >> > >I > > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about >Bill > >in > > > >print. > > > > >> >I > > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate >his > > > > >>accusations, > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had > >said, > > >as > > > > >>close > > > > >> >as > > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly >refuses. > > >Until > > > >he > > > > >> > >provides > > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which >messages > >to > > > >examine > > > > >> >in > > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this >matter, > >we > > >need > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I >had > > >said > > > >and > > > > >> >what > > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly >called > > >for > > > > >> > >examination > > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored > >those > > > > >> >requests. > > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he > >could > > > >have > > > > >> >missed > > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if >we > > > >include > > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > > >withholding > > > > >>his > > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that >Bill > > >is > > > > >> >willfully > > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian >is > > > >supposed > > > > >>to > > > > >> > > >behave? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with >me > > >against > > > > >>Bill, > > > > >> >but > > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have >just > > > >repeated > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > >you > > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can >read > > >the > > > > >>actual > > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful >or > > >Bill > > > >is. > > > > >> >Or > > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. >We > >need > > > >help. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take >is > >to > > >try > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information >so > >that > > >we > > > >can > > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he >think I > > >said > > > >to > > > > >> >insult > > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he >think > >I > > > >called > > > > >> >him? > > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the > >list > > >of > > > > >> > >accusations > > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed >that > >he > > >had > > > > >> >indeed > > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, >then at > > >least > > > > >>try > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > > >divulge > > > >that > > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had > >truly > > > >done > > > > >>the > > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we >would > > >find > > > >them > > > > >> >right > > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that >explanation, > > >please > > > > >>ask > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined >in > >this > > > >case. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees >this > > >mess > > > >as > > > > >>one > > > > >> >big > > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all >that > > >he > > > >can. > > > > >> >As > > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot >have > >a > > > > >> >meaningful > > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of >correspondence > > >with > > > >Bill > > > > >> >has > > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > > >almost > > > > >> >anything he > > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. > >Even > > > >break > > > > >>one > > > > >> >of > > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false >witness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > > >Morgan > > > >has > > > > >> >made > > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate >follows: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] >and > > >[his] > > > > >> >wife" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person >out to > > > >destroy > > > > >> > > >society". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in >God". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level >of > >a > > >name > > > > >> >calling > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and >his > >wife > > >as > > > > >>evil. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife >thought of > > >those > > > > >>who > > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are >evil > >and > > > > >>wicked, > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > > >beliefs. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty >words > > >that > > > >were > > > > >> >anti > > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these > >accusations > > >or > > > > >>else > > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a >most > > > >sincere > > > > >> >apology > > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those >accusations > > >and > > > > >> > >particularly > > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of > >this > > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > >public > > > > >>profile > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile > > > >at > > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile at > > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile > >at > > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public >profile at > > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:15:51 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:14:43 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust130.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.130]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18080; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003701c02d86$e9a758a0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: I think the moon got there by chance Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:11:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C02D4C.3C2388A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 03-Oct-00 15:38:40 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Mark no need to be upset.  When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about?
You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak.  But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it.  Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C02D4F.8D0A4260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 04-Oct-00 13:41:13 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok!" Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? = ) Who's upset? This is comical. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:41:12 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:39:35 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06622; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:39:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <001c01c02e43$6d437d80$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <005201c02d8a$3a75a860$8220113f@com> Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:41:07 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 04-Oct-00 13:45:35 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Yes Cain married her sister. Mark: is that wrong?" If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. But why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:35 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:28 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07665; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:45:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <003401c02e44$40d923c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:47:01 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 04-Oct-00 13:46:57 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed away when you give your sins to the Lord! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok!" Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? = ) Who's upset? This is comical. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing along and smile!!!  I forgive you brother!  All your sins can be washed away when you give your sins to the Lord!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about?
Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Mark no need to be upset.  When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok!" Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? = ) Who's upset?  This is comical. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak.  But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it.  Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:43:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C02E09.0DFAD6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 04-Oct-00 13:48:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, I enjoy poking fun of ignorance. It's not my problem that Christianity and ignorance go hand-in-hand, which makes the task of poking fun out of Christianity so easy. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I thought you believed it was true just unappealling. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship >in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so >much >time angry about it?" > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you >that >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it quite >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > >= ) > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's easier >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few >chuckles out of it. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:48:10 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:47:36 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07988; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:47:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <003b01c02e44$8fd92380$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:49:15 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Dress up Jesus Date: 04-Oct-00 13:51:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, as long as you don't staple me to a cross and award me with a crown of thorns, I'll be happy. Happy Easter! = ) Here's another website for you: http://www.normalbobsmith.com/jesusdressup.html Enjoy. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard haircut. Is that acceptable? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair cut? Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's never satisfied." >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of >friendship!" > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What >the >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > >Buddy, > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? >Is > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I >forgot > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a >deal > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. >The > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a lot >of > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my hair. > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows >back. > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. >You > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you >think? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people >choose > >to > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and >grumpy > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person >where > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the fact > >that > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make false > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend > >so > > >much > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > >>CC: > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > >> > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >> > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > >> > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character >in > >a > > > >>story? > > > >> > > > >>= ) > > > >> > > > >>Mark > > > >>The Liberator > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >> >CC: > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > >> > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why is > >that? > > > >>Bill > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > >exercised. > > >I > > > >> >have > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground noise > >while > > > >>doing > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh the > > >humanity! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the Pope > >tries > > >to > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as an > > >exorcist. > > > >> >Then > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. >Coincidence? > > > >>Nah.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > >To: ; > > > >> > >Cc: > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips and > >stuff. > > > >> >Please > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > >> > > >To: > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which >I > >now > > > >>offer > > > >> >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > >> >offer > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what a > >cup > > >of > > > >>pop > > > >> >and > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > >> > > > Bill > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to you > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for food > >and > > >drink > > > >> >many > > > >> > > >times > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > >typing. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >> > > > >To: > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >>now > > > >> > >offer > > > >> > > >to > > > >> > > > >you > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the > >other > > > >>email. > > > >> > >Well > > > >> > > >if > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems to > >have > > > >> >slandered > > > >> > > >your > > > >> > > > >name > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a > >very > > > >> >emotional > > > >> > > >topic and > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > > >relinquish > > > >> >his > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > >everything > > >that > > > >> >he > > > >> > > >believes > > > >> > > > >in > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I don't > > >believe > > > >> >much > > > >> > >is > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. > >Neither > > > >> >party > > > >> > >will > > > >> > > >ever > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not >refuting > > >that > > >I > > > >> > >believe > > > >> > > >in > > > >> > > > >God > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I just > >don't > > > >>have > > > >> >the > > > >> > > >time to > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are > >better > > >left > > > >> >alone > > > >> > > >if the > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the discussion > >at > > >hand. > > > >> > >Maybe > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill a > > >little. > > > >>I > > > >> > >wish > > > >> > > >you > > > >> > > > >all > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >>I > > > >> >now > > > >> > > >offer to > > > >> > > > > > you > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill M.) >is > > >your > > > >> >friend, > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not > >prevent > > > >>you > > > >> >from > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side > >with me > > > >> >against > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the > >cause of > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my >own > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught that > > > >>Christians > > > >> >at > > > >> > >to > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed in > >his > > > >> >published > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees that > >they > > > >>serve > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought >has > > > >>changed > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the > >heavy > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want to > >serve > > > >> >Truth. > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and apply > >those > > > >> >Christian > > > >> > > >values. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > >examined. > > >That > > > >> >is > > > >> > >why > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that >you > > >could > > > >> >learn > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really >is. > > >That > > > >>is > > > >> >also > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of the > > > >> >correspondence > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for >yourself > >what > > > >>had > > > >> >been > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > >disagreement > > > >>over > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to the > > >facts. > > > >>I > > > >> >am > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill >lied > >to > > > >>you. > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into >the > > > >> >discussion. > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine >the > > >facts > > > >> > >whereas > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is willfully > > > >>preventing > > > >> >our > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill >has > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to resolve > >that > > > >> >matter. > > > >> > >He > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, > >saying > > >that > > > >>I > > > >> >had > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. >I > >am > > >sure > > > >> >that > > > >> > >I > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about Bill >in > > >print. > > > >> >I > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > > >>accusations, > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had >said, > >as > > > >>close > > > >> >as > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. > >Until > > >he > > > >> > >provides > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages >to > > >examine > > > >> >in > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, >we > >need > > >to > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I had > >said > > >and > > > >> >what > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly called > >for > > > >> > >examination > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored >those > > > >> >requests. > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he >could > > >have > > > >> >missed > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if we > > >include > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > >withholding > > > >>his > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that Bill > >is > > > >> >willfully > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > > >supposed > > > >>to > > > >> > > >behave? > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me > >against > > > >>Bill, > > > >> >but > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have just > > >repeated > > > >> >to > > > >> > >you > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can read > >the > > > >>actual > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful or > >Bill > > >is. > > > >> >Or > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We >need > > >help. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take is >to > >try > > >to > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so >that > >we > > >can > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think I > >said > > >to > > > >> >insult > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he think >I > > >called > > > >> >him? > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the >list > >of > > > >> > >accusations > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed that >he > >had > > > >> >indeed > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then at > >least > > > >>try > > > >> >to > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > >divulge > > >that > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had >truly > > >done > > > >>the > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would > >find > > >them > > > >> >right > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that explanation, > >please > > > >>ask > > > >> >he > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in >this > > >case. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees this > >mess > > >as > > > >>one > > > >> >big > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all that > >he > > >can. > > > >> >As > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot have >a > > > >> >meaningful > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of correspondence > >with > > >Bill > > > >> >has > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > >almost > > > >> >anything he > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. >Even > > >break > > > >>one > > > >> >of > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > >Morgan > > >has > > > >> >made > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and > >[his] > > > >> >wife" > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to > > >destroy > > > >> > > >society". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of >a > >name > > > >> >calling > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his >wife > >as > > > >>evil. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of > >those > > > >>who > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil >and > > > >>wicked, > > > >> >the > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > >beliefs. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words > >that > > >were > > > >> >anti > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these >accusations > >or > > > >>else > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a most > > >sincere > > > >> >apology > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those accusations > >and > > > >> > >particularly > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of >this > > >matter. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > >public > > > >>profile > > > >> >at > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile > > >at > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > >profile at > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >> > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:50:50 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08441; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:50:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <004301c02e44$faef1440$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002e01c02d84$cb15a420$8220113f@com> Subject: Dress up Jesus Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:52:14 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 04-Oct-00 14:05:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. = ) BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are again. Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are simply too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (rly-ye05.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.202]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:05:55 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10142; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:02:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <004e01c02e46$b25865e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 04-Oct-00 14:08:21 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or philosophy course. Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of what it means to believe. You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels. If I am ever driven to learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an antiquated source such as the Bible. = ) Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you dodge them again? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed away when you give your sins to the Lord! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and you will be ok!" Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? = ) Who's upset? This is comical. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother you. I accept your concession Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose >to >be miserable." > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter >religion. > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but don't >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their >non-logic is a constant joke. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:08:20 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:08:05 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11086; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:07:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <005401c02e47$6c652ea0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <005201c02d8a$3a75a860$8220113f@com> <001c01c02e43$6d437d80$052a03c7@liber8r> <009a01c02e43$bb6dddc0$8220113f@com> Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: How Could a Loving God allow it to Rain on My Birthday? Date: 05-Oct-00 07:27:56 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1 >>You know Bill, these guys are so wild they are probably going to vote for that Pro-Gun guy George W. Bush! The W stands for Winchester I think.<< What? Me vote for the Virginia Beach Candidate? Pat Robertson's stealth candidate? Not hardly! ################################################ Subj: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: 05-Oct-00 07:28:57 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1 >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of the Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 05-Oct-00 07:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1 >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst toward futher research....being challenged....<< Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since 1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck and run. >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people who will remain nameless.<< Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of the truth. For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me! Tell us what you think I had said! ################################################ Subj: Re: Who gave the "fly" the name of "fly?" Date: 05-Oct-00 07:31:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1 >> Here is a dialog where I can save you an email.....I welcome your comments: Me: "Mark, Dave, you won't ever admit this, but you are two people who are deathly afraid of God." Mark: "How can I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?" Me: "Ok......Mark, you are totally pissed off at God and emotionally driven to spend vast amounts of time disrespecting God." Mark: "Why would I be be pissed off and spend time fighting something that doesn't exist? Oppsy...wait... I do just that........." Me: "Exactly Mark, stop fighting a losing battle, you can't kill God." Mark: "You're right Bill, I am glad we have met. I will try to reason with Dave that fighting God is like totally uncool." Me: "I am glad we have met too." Mark: "Peace." Me: "Freedom." << There you go again, Bill M. You're acting like an idiot. But it does show you in your natural element. Living in your little imaginary world where you can win all the battles. I think that is also where you imagine that I had done all those horrible things that you accused me of. Sorry, Bill, you really need to learn to deal with the real world. ################################################ Subj: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: 05-Oct-00 09:20:03 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1@aol.com I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles. Pretty cool if they had kept winning. ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billyjack1@hotmail.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of the Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. --------------------
I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles.  Pretty cool if they had kept winning.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations?
>>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS?  It dealt mainly with the creation of the Internet.  One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope of discovering a method of winning.  But they needed to gather some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went to a casino to gather that data.  The plan was for him to put a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so that he would record his friend playing the wheel.  Unfortunately, his friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that had a wire running to it.  Killed that research project in a hurry.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:20:03 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:18:13 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05662; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c901c02ee7$6686b080$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: , Cc: , References: <2f.b5f1877.270dea29@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C02EAC.B5DEBD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 05-Oct-00 09:22:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: morgan.william@sbeach.navy.mil (Morgan Jr., William C (NWS N444)) Dave, How can you use the word "evil" if you don't believe in God? How can "evil" exist in your world of no higher meaning or morality, just the cold vacuum of space? Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billbeq@mediaone.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Was Undeliverable Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address. Apparently you had just cancelled it. I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 28-Sep-00 12:29:53 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, plasma@worldnet.att.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>I hope to party with Mr Wise and Mr Liberal.net!<< Sorry, I don't party with someone who tells slanderous lies about me and refuses to support them in any manner. You would need to change your evil ways first. I do not party with people who tell slanderous lies about me and then obstruct all attempts to resolve the matter. >>... (as you know our humble digs could not house all of our friends...remember my birthday party? << Sounds like a Christmas party we went to once. It was in a quonset hut in married-student housing. Their place was so small that the guests had to come in shifts (no more than 8 at a time, as I recall) and, since it was in North Dakota, we had to keep the party indoors. --------------------
Dave,
How can you use the word "evil" if you don't believe in God?  How can "evil" exist in your world of no higher meaning or morality, just the cold vacuum of space?
Bill B.
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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:10 AM
Subject: Was Undeliverable
Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address.  Apparently you had just cancelled it.  I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj:   Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date:   28-Sep-00 12:29:53 Pacific Daylight Time From:   DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, plasma@worldnet.att.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>I hope to party with Mr Wise and Mr Liberal.net!<< Sorry, I don't party with someone who tells slanderous lies about me and refuses to support them in any manner.  You would need to change your evil ways first. I do not party with people who tell slanderous lies about me and then obstruct all attempts to resolve the matter. >>... (as you know our humble digs could not house all of our friends...remember my birthday party? << Sounds like a Christmas party we went to once.  It was in a quonset hut in married-student housing.  Their place was so small that the guests had to come in shifts (no more than 8 at a time, as I recall) and, since it was in North Dakota, we had to keep the party indoors.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:22:11 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:21:36 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09147; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00dc01c02ee7$e3fb6380$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Cc: "Morgan Jr., William C \(NWS N444\)" References: <46.b71c47d.270de5e4@aol.com> Subject: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:18:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C02EAD.36BAB700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 05-Oct-00 09:24:12 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Well your reaction is the same one that causes wars to go on for centuries. Look at the current crisis in the Middle East. Breaking bread would allow you to influence your enemies more. Remember that a wise man remains closer to his enemies than his firends. ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billbeq@mediaone.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:09 AM Subject: Was Undeliverable Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address. Apparently you had just cancelled it. I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 28-Sep-00 12:25:03 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, editor@liberator.net CC: plasma@worldnet.att.net >>Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :)<< Absolutely impossible as long as you oppose and obstruct our search for the truth. I already told you, Bill M. Before I could even consider meeting with you, you need to demonstrate that you can behave honestly and can refrain from acting like an idiot. You have not done so. --------------------
Well your reaction is the same one that causes wars to go on for centuries.   Look at the current crisis in the Middle East.  Breaking bread would allow you to influence your enemies more.  Remember that a wise man remains closer to his enemies than his firends.
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:09 AM
Subject: Was Undeliverable
Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address.  Apparently you had just cancelled it.  I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj:   RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date:   28-Sep-00 12:25:03 Pacific Daylight Time From:   DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, editor@liberator.net CC: plasma@worldnet.att.net >>Mr Wise, lets meet and eat!  :)<< Absolutely impossible as long as you oppose and obstruct our search for the truth. I already told you, Bill M.  Before I could even consider meeting with you, you need to demonstrate that you can behave honestly and can refrain from acting like an idiot.  You have not done so.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:24:12 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:23:43 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA11677 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e501c02ee8$3242c1a0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: References: <9e.a7b9c6f.270de596@aol.com> Subject: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:20:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C02EAD.851A7F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 05-Oct-00 09:25:24 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com A neutral third party would be someone neither of you knew and one who did not believe in God or atheism. ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billbeq@mediaone.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: Was Undeliverable Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address. Apparently you had just cancelled it. I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 28-Sep-00 12:23:45 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, editor@liberator.net CC: plasma@worldnet.att.net >>Bill [B]: they asked a neutral party Everett Purcell to rule on this matter and he ruled in my favor.<< Bill M, that is a plain lie and you know it! Here is what he said: "I have been undated by a surplus of E-mail that keeps me from other important things. I believe this is mostly game playing on your part. Bill Is a close friend of mine and a man of integrity. He is a professional man and one to be taken seriously. If you want to end this mess, just end it. This childs play has gone far enough." First, Everett Purcell was not a neutral party. Because he is your friend, he refused to even look at the facts. Second, I did not ask him to rule in the matter, but rather I asked both him and Mark to say whether they agreed that you were the plaintiff and I was the defendent (since you had made the accusations against me). That question was never addressed, nor for that matter was any question addressed by the two "judges". Third, Everett Purcell never made a ruling. Instead, he called the whole thing "child play" and said he wanted nothing to do with it. As I described it, he found your suit to be frivolous and threw it out. --------------------
A neutral third party would be someone neither of you knew and one who did not believe in God or atheism.
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:08 AM
Subject: Was Undeliverable
Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address.  Apparently you had just cancelled it.  I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj:   Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date:   28-Sep-00 12:23:45 Pacific Daylight Time From:   DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, editor@liberator.net CC: plasma@worldnet.att.net >>Bill [B]:  they asked a neutral party Everett Purcell to rule on this matter and he ruled in my favor.<< Bill M, that is a plain lie and you know it!  Here is what he said: "I have been undated by a surplus of E-mail that keeps me from other important things.  I believe this is mostly game playing on your part.  Bill Is a close friend of mine and a man of integrity.  He is a professional man and one to be taken seriously.  If you want to end this mess, just end it. This childs play has gone far enough." First, Everett Purcell was not a neutral party.  Because he is your friend, he refused to even look at the facts. Second, I did not ask him to rule in the matter, but rather I asked both him and Mark to say whether they agreed that you were the plaintiff and I was the defendent (since you had made the accusations against me).  That question was never addressed, nor for that matter was any question addressed by the two "judges". Third, Everett Purcell never made a ruling.  Instead, he called the whole thing "child play" and said he wanted nothing to do with it.  As I described it, he found your suit to be frivolous and threw it out.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:25:24 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:24:55 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA12856 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ee01c02ee8$5cc0bf40$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: References: Subject: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:21:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C02EAD.AFA1A480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 05-Oct-00 09:26:12 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: morgan.william@sbeach.navy.mil (Morgan Jr., William C (NWS N444)) Is this true Bill? ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billbeq@mediaone.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:07 AM Subject: Was Undeliverable Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address. Apparently you had just cancelled it. I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 28-Sep-00 12:21:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, plasma@worldnet.att.net CC: editor@liberator.net Bill M., for once couldn't you at least try to tell Bill B the truth? >>Bill: he refused to meet my wife and I for dinner calling us negative names related to our Christian beliefs.<< You've seen that invitation message a couple more times since you had written it, Bill M. There was no mention of your wife in it. You've also seen my response to that invitation a few times, so you should know that I did not call you or her any "negative names related to [your] Christian beliefs". The worst thing I recall ever having said about her was that she is human and capable of learning. What "negative names" are you talking about? What do you think they were? I've asked you that directly TWENTY TIMES and indirectly [through telling Bill B. about it in responses to you] about five or six times more. SO NOW I AM ASKING YOU FOR THE TWENTY-SIXTH TIME, what were those names that you are accusing me of having called you and your wife? Tell me so that we can examine the facts and discover what was really said. Only then can we resolve this matter. >>I told Mr Wise I am unlike him that I don't save all the emails.<< Why do you keep whining about that? It has absolutely nothing to do with the issue. Are you trying to use it as an excuse for not telling us what you think I had said and called you? Bill, that is locked away in YOUR memory. THAT is what you need to tell us. THAT is what we will then try to find in the transcript. Whether you had saved your email or not as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it! Besides misleading Bill B into believing that you need the transcript to support your accusations against me, you are also misleading him into believing that you do not have that transcript and probably also that I have withheld it from you. You most certainly have accused me elsewhere of not providing you with the transcript. In that case you would be telling Bill B a plain lie. I gave you the ENTIRE transcript on 21 August 2000. Since then I have been updating it with subsequent message traffic, currently up to 09 Sep 2000. YOU HAVE HAD IT FOR MORE THAN A MONTH! What have you done with it in all that time? When are you going to start telling Bill B the truth, Bill M? >>But I forgive him for denegrating our character for being Christians.<< A grand gesture which is completely empty and meaningless, considering that is nothing to forgive, since I had NOT "denegrat[ed y]our character for being Christians". SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATION! WHAT do you think I had written? Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-SEVEN times now. Bill M, I DO NOT FORGIVE YOU. I'm not talking about the accusations themselves, but rather about your persistent obstruction of our attempts to resolve the situation that your accusations have caused. Regarding the accusations themselves, I would not be surprised to find that you had misunderstood and misinterpreted what I had written. As Bill B is our witness [ie, he has seen such cases himself when I had to admonish you to read what is written], you have demonstrated the fairly consistent trait of not reading what is written, but rather creating your own version of what had been written, sometimes very imaginatively. You have also demonstrated a tendency to lose track of what is going on and who has written what, so I also suspect that in some of the cases you had falsely attributed to me something that somebody else had written. So far in every case I have seen, your private version of reality differs greatly from what the record shows as having actually happened and often involves a complete reversal of the facts. I strongly suspect that this is a primary reason why you are so afraid of the facts and why you want to prevent us from examining them. Bill M, your having imagined the acts of which you have accused me is almost understandable, considering the history of your behavior, and can readily be attributed to your misunderstanding. But the willfulness with which you have had to act to obstruct our examination of the facts is NOT understandable and can only be attributed to willfull intent. This matter is still open and still needs to be resolved. Bill M, you are preventing it from being resolved. SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME! Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-EIGHT times now. Until we can resolve this matter, it is impossible to even think of granting forgiveness. >>Bill, lets resolve this once and for all: what is your opinion of my wife? Is she nice?<< Bill M, just what are you talking about? Resolve WHAT? What does your wife have to do with any of this? You're acting like an idiot again. And if you are going to falsely accuse me again of having called her names, you'd better also tell us WHAT NAMES you are talking about. Refusal to provide that information will mean that you are lying. Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-NINE times now. >>Mr. Wise: did you see my retraction in my newsletter?<< Yes, as I had said in a reply to Bill B that was CC:'d to you. I thought that statement, "We at the Orange County Creation Science Association strive to be accurate and honest in all our reporting to you.", gave it an interesting ironic touch, though unfortunately the irony was lost on most of your readership. Just in case you have forgotten yet again what had really happened, it took about a half-dozen messages from me before you finally realized that you had made a mistake and then it took about a half-dozen more messages before I could get you to commit to correcting your mistake. You were not "striv[ing] to be accurate and honest in all [y]our reporting". It looked to me that you were trying to avoid having to deal with your mistake, but could not ignore the facts that I kept hitting you with. If I had not saved those messages, I believe that you never would have admitted or corrected your mistake. That difficulty I had in getting you to do the right thing convinced me more than anything else that I absolutely need an accurate record of exactly what had been said in ALL my dealings with you. --------------------
Is this true Bill?
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:07 AM
Subject: Was Undeliverable
Bill B: The following email could not be delivered to your old address.  Apparently you had just cancelled it.  I am therefore forwarding it to your new address. Subj:   Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date:   28-Sep-00 12:21:44 Pacific Daylight Time From:   DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, plasma@worldnet.att.net CC: editor@liberator.net Bill M., for once couldn't you at least try to tell Bill B the truth? >>Bill:  he refused to meet my wife and I for dinner calling us negative names related to our Christian beliefs.<< You've seen that invitation message a couple more times since you had written it, Bill M.  There was no mention of your wife in it.  You've also seen my response to that invitation a few times, so you should know that I did not call you or her any "negative names related to [your] Christian beliefs". The worst thing I recall ever having said about her was that she is human and capable of learning. What "negative names" are you talking about?  What do you think they were? I've asked you that directly TWENTY TIMES and indirectly [through telling Bill B. about it in responses to you] about five or six times more.  SO NOW I AM ASKING YOU FOR THE TWENTY-SIXTH TIME, what were those names that you are accusing me of having called you and your wife?  Tell me so that we can examine the facts and discover what was really said.  Only then can we resolve this matter. >>I told Mr Wise I am unlike him that I don't save all the emails.<< Why do you keep whining about that?  It has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.  Are you trying to use it as an excuse for not telling us what you think I had said and called you?  Bill, that is locked away in YOUR memory.  THAT is what you need to tell us.  THAT is what we will then try to find in the transcript.  Whether you had saved your email or not as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it! Besides misleading Bill B into believing that you need the transcript to support your accusations against me, you are also misleading him into believing that you do not have that transcript and probably also that I have withheld it from you.  You most certainly have accused me elsewhere of not providing you with the transcript.  In that case you would be telling Bill B a plain lie.  I gave you the ENTIRE transcript on 21 August 2000.  Since then I have been updating it with subsequent message traffic, currently up to 09 Sep 2000.  YOU HAVE HAD IT FOR MORE THAN A MONTH!  What have you done with it in all that time?  When are you going to start telling Bill B the truth, Bill M? >>But I forgive him for denegrating our character for being Christians.<< A grand gesture which is completely empty and meaningless, considering that is nothing to forgive, since I had NOT "denegrat[ed y]our character for being Christians".  SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATION!  WHAT do you think I had written?  Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-SEVEN times now. Bill M, I DO NOT FORGIVE YOU.  I'm not talking about the accusations themselves, but rather about your persistent obstruction of our attempts to resolve the situation that your accusations have caused.  Regarding the accusations themselves, I would not be surprised to find that you had misunderstood and misinterpreted what I had written.  As Bill B is our witness [ie, he has seen such cases himself when I had to admonish you to read what is written], you have demonstrated the fairly consistent trait of not reading what is written, but rather creating your own version of what had been written, sometimes very imaginatively.  You have also demonstrated a tendency to lose track of what is going on and who has written what, so I also suspect that in some of the cases you had falsely attributed to me something that somebody else had written. So far in every case I have seen, your private version of reality differs greatly from what the record shows as having actually happened and often involves a complete reversal of the facts.  I strongly suspect that this is a primary reason why you are so afraid of the facts and why you want to prevent us from examining them.  Bill M, your having imagined the acts of which you have accused me is almost understandable, considering the history of your behavior, and can readily be attributed to your misunderstanding.  But the willfulness with which you have had to act to obstruct our examination of the facts is NOT understandable and can only be attributed to willfull intent. This matter is still open and still needs to be resolved.  Bill M, you are preventing it from being resolved.  SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME! Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-EIGHT times now. Until we can resolve this matter, it is impossible to even think of granting forgiveness. >>Bill, lets resolve this once and for all:  what is your opinion of my wife? Is she nice?<< Bill M, just what are you talking about?  Resolve WHAT?  What does your wife have to do with any of this?  You're acting like an idiot again. And if you are going to falsely accuse me again of having called her names, you'd better also tell us WHAT NAMES you are talking about.  Refusal to provide that information will mean that you are lying. Please mark that request as having been made TWENTY-NINE times now. >>Mr. Wise:  did you see my retraction in my newsletter?<< Yes, as I had said in a reply to Bill B that was CC:'d to you.  I thought that statement, "We at the Orange County Creation Science Association strive to be accurate and honest in all our reporting to you.", gave it an interesting ironic touch, though unfortunately the irony was lost on most of your readership. Just in case you have forgotten yet again what had really happened, it took about a half-dozen messages from me before you finally realized that you had made a mistake and then it took about a half-dozen more messages before I could get you to commit to correcting your mistake.  You were not "striv[ing] to be accurate and honest in all [y]our reporting".  It looked to me that you were trying to avoid having to deal with your mistake, but could not ignore the facts that I kept hitting you with.  If I had not saved those messages, I believe that you never would have admitted or corrected your mistake. That difficulty I had in getting you to do the right thing convinced me more than anything else that I absolutely need an accurate record of exactly what had been said in ALL my dealings with you.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.35]) by air-yh05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:26:12 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:25:50 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13937; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00fa01c02ee8$7bb00f00$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Cc: "Morgan Jr., William C \(NWS N444\)" References: <16.320faee.270de523@aol.com> Subject: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:22:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C02EAD.CE6F6280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: How Could a Loving God allow it to Rain on My Birthday? Date: 05-Oct-00 09:27:23 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1@aol.com I am voting for the Green party candidate. I hear Tofu would be mandatory eating in all the Public schools. ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billyjack1@hotmail.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: Re: How Could a Loving God allow it to Rain on My Birthday? >>You know Bill, these guys are so wild they are probably going to vote for that Pro-Gun guy George W. Bush! The W stands for Winchester I think.<< What? Me vote for the Virginia Beach Candidate? Pat Robertson's stealth candidate? Not hardly! --------------------
I am voting for the Green party candidate.  I hear Tofu would be mandatory eating in all the Public schools.
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billyjack1@hotmail.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: How Could a Loving God allow it to Rain on My Birthday?
>>You know Bill, these guys are so wild they are probably going to vote for that Pro-Gun guy George W. Bush!  The W stands for Winchester I think.<< What?  Me vote for the Virginia Beach Candidate?  Pat Robertson's stealth candidate?  Not hardly!
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:27:23 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:26:43 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14630; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <010801c02ee8$9d158ee0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: , Cc: , References: <58.184488f.270de9ec@aol.com> Subject: Re: How Could a Loving God allow it to Rain on My Birthday? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:23:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01C02EAD.EFB1CA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 05-Oct-00 09:49:29 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1@aol.com This is a fair question. Bill what are your viewpoints or have you already told them? ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billyjack1@hotmail.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst toward futher research....being challenged....<< Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since 1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck and run. >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people who will remain nameless.<< Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of the truth. For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me! Tell us what you think I had said! --------------------
This is a fair question.  Bill what are your viewpoints or have you already told them?
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billyjack1@hotmail.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide
>>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst toward futher research....being challenged....<< Since when, Bill M?  Both Mark and I have observed you in action since 1996.  We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is going on.  I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy.  But bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck and run. >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people who will remain nameless.<< Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then things would run a whole lot smoother.  If only you weren't so afraid of the truth. For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me!  Tell us what you think I had said! 
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:49:29 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00600; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <013801c02eeb$93339f40$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: , Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01C02EB0.DD022140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:11:04 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com An impartial judge has ruled: Bill 10 Liberal 0 >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > >10 points to Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I >thought > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship > >in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that >if > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so > >much > >time angry about it?" > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you > >that > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it >quite > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > > > >= ) > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's >easier > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few > >chuckles out of it. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:11:03 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.94]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:10:16 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:10:16 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:10:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:10:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:10:16.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A832A70:01C02F19] ################################################ Subj: A simple request for Mark (Mr Wise avoided it) Date: 05-Oct-00 15:15:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Please give me your best explanation for the origin of life. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:49:15 -0500 > >Bill, I enjoy poking fun of ignorance. It's not my problem that >Christianity and ignorance go hand-in-hand, which makes the task of poking >fun out of Christianity so easy. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:01 PM >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? > > >Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I thought >you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship > >in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so > >much > >time angry about it?" > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you > >that > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it quite > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > > > >= ) > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's easier > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few > >chuckles out of it. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:15:16 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f278.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.56]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:14:46 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:14:46 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:14:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: A simple request for Mark (Mr Wise avoided it) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:14:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:14:46.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB5ADB00:01C02F19] ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:15:48 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? An impartial judge has ruled: Bill 10 Liberal 0 >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > >10 points to Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I >thought > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship > >in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that >if > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so > >much > >time angry about it?" > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you > >that > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it >quite > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > > > >= ) > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's >easier > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few > >chuckles out of it. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place?
An impartial judge has ruled: Bill 10 Liberal 0 >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > >10 points to Bill >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: DWise1@aol.com >   Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM >   Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > >   Mark, I apologized.  Based upon your obcession with Christianity I >thought >   you believed it was true just unappealling. > > >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship >   >in the first place? >   >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 >   > >   >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: >   > >   >"Mark:  why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that >if >   >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so >   >much >   >time angry about it?" >   > >   >Bill, I didn't ignore it.  You must have missed the letter.  I told you >   >that >   >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction.  In fact, I find it >quite >   >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. >   > >   >= ) >   > >   >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories.  I guess it's >easier >   >than believing reality.  That's their call.  It's my right to get a few >   >chuckles out of it. >   > >   >Mark >   >The Liberator >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > > >   >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:15:14 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16677; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016601c02f19$551b1520$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01C02EDE.A764EA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:16:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong? Stop running and hiding from simple questions. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" >CC: , >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:47:01 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Yes Cain married her sister. Mark: is that wrong?" > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. >But >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:16:44 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f287.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.81]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:16:14 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:16:12 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:16:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:16:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:16:12.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEBD9C30:01C02F19] ################################################ Subj: Obsessed with jesus Date: 05-Oct-00 15:17:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com It was you guys, the bad guys, the guys in the black hats who did the nailing. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Dress up Jesus >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:52:14 -0500 > >Bill, as long as you don't staple me to a cross and award me with a crown >of >thorns, I'll be happy. > >Happy Easter! > >= ) > >Here's another website for you: >http://www.normalbobsmith.com/jesusdressup.html > >Enjoy. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:56 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard >haircut. Is that acceptable? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair cut? > >Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's >never >satisfied." > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become > >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token >of > >friendship!" > > > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What > >the > >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > > > >Buddy, > > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? > >Is > > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I > >forgot > > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an > > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a > >deal > > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. > >The > > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a >lot > >of > > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my >hair. > > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the > > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows > >back. > > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. > >You > > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you > >think? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people > >choose > > >to > > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and > >grumpy > > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person > >where > > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the >fact > > >that > > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make >false > > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; >billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out > >that > > >if > > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend > > >so > > > >much > > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > >>CC: > > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > > >> > > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character > >in > > >a > > > > >>story? > > > > >> > > > > >>= ) > > > > >> > > > > >>Mark > > > > >>The Liberator > > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> >CC: > > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why >is > > >that? > > > > >>Bill > > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > > >exercised. > > > >I > > > > >> >have > > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground >noise > > >while > > > > >>doing > > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh >the > > > >humanity! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the >Pope > > >tries > > > >to > > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as >an > > > >exorcist. > > > > >> >Then > > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. > >Coincidence? > > > > >>Nah.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > >To: ; > > > > >> > >Cc: > > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips >and > > >stuff. > > > > >> >Please > > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > > >To: > > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > > >>offer > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >now > > > > >> >offer > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what >a > > >cup > > > >of > > > > >>pop > > > > >> >and > > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > > >> > > > Bill > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > > >which I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for >food > > >and > > > >drink > > > > >> >many > > > > >> > > >times > > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > > >typing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >> > > > >To: > > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to > > > > >> > > > >you > > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the > > >other > > > > >>email. > > > > >> > >Well > > > > >> > > >if > > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems >to > > >have > > > > >> >slandered > > > > >> > > >your > > > > >> > > > >name > > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a > > >very > > > > >> >emotional > > > > >> > > >topic and > > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > > > >relinquish > > > > >> >his > > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > > >everything > > > >that > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > >believes > > > > >> > > > >in > > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I >don't > > > >believe > > > > >> >much > > > > >> > >is > > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. > > >Neither > > > > >> >party > > > > >> > >will > > > > >> > > >ever > > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not > >refuting > > > >that > > > >I > > > > >> > >believe > > > > >> > > >in > > > > >> > > > >God > > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I >just > > >don't > > > > >>have > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > >time to > > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are > > >better > > > >left > > > > >> >alone > > > > >> > > >if the > > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the >discussion > > >at > > > >hand. > > > > >> > >Maybe > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill >a > > > >little. > > > > >>I > > > > >> > >wish > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >all > > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my > >defense > > > >which > > > > >>I > > > > >> >now > > > > >> > > >offer to > > > > >> > > > > > you > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill >M.) > >is > > > >your > > > > >> >friend, > > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not > > >prevent > > > > >>you > > > > >> >from > > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side > > >with me > > > > >> >against > > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the > > >cause of > > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my > >own > > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught >that > > > > >>Christians > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed >in > > >his > > > > >> >published > > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees >that > > >they > > > > >>serve > > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought > >has > > > > >>changed > > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the > > >heavy > > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want >to > > >serve > > > > >> >Truth. > > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and >apply > > >those > > > > >> >Christian > > > > >> > > >values. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > > >examined. > > > >That > > > > >> >is > > > > >> > >why > > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that > >you > > > >could > > > > >> >learn > > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really > >is. > > > >That > > > > >>is > > > > >> >also > > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of >the > > > > >> >correspondence > > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for > >yourself > > >what > > > > >>had > > > > >> >been > > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > > >disagreement > > > > >>over > > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to >the > > > >facts. > > > > >>I > > > > >> >am > > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill > >lied > > >to > > > > >>you. > > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into > >the > > > > >> >discussion. > > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine > >the > > > >facts > > > > >> > >whereas > > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is >willfully > > > > >>preventing > > > > >> >our > > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill > >has > > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to >resolve > > >that > > > > >> >matter. > > > > >> > >He > > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, > > >saying > > > >that > > > > >>I > > > > >> >had > > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. > >I > > >am > > > >sure > > > > >> >that > > > > >> > >I > > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about >Bill > >in > > > >print. > > > > >> >I > > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > > > >>accusations, > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had > >said, > > >as > > > > >>close > > > > >> >as > > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. > > >Until > > > >he > > > > >> > >provides > > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages > >to > > > >examine > > > > >> >in > > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, > >we > > >need > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I >had > > >said > > > >and > > > > >> >what > > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly >called > > >for > > > > >> > >examination > > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored > >those > > > > >> >requests. > > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he > >could > > > >have > > > > >> >missed > > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if >we > > > >include > > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > > >withholding > > > > >>his > > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that >Bill > > >is > > > > >> >willfully > > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > > > >supposed > > > > >>to > > > > >> > > >behave? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me > > >against > > > > >>Bill, > > > > >> >but > > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have >just > > > >repeated > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > >you > > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can >read > > >the > > > > >>actual > > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful >or > > >Bill > > > >is. > > > > >> >Or > > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We > >need > > > >help. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take >is > >to > > >try > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so > >that > > >we > > > >can > > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think >I > > >said > > > >to > > > > >> >insult > > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he >think > >I > > > >called > > > > >> >him? > > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the > >list > > >of > > > > >> > >accusations > > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed >that > >he > > >had > > > > >> >indeed > > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then >at > > >least > > > > >>try > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > > >divulge > > > >that > > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had > >truly > > > >done > > > > >>the > > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would > > >find > > > >them > > > > >> >right > > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that >explanation, > > >please > > > > >>ask > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in > >this > > > >case. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees >this > > >mess > > > >as > > > > >>one > > > > >> >big > > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all >that > > >he > > > >can. > > > > >> >As > > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot >have > >a > > > > >> >meaningful > > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of >correspondence > > >with > > > >Bill > > > > >> >has > > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > > >almost > > > > >> >anything he > > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. > >Even > > > >break > > > > >>one > > > > >> >of > > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > > >Morgan > > > >has > > > > >> >made > > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] >and > > >[his] > > > > >> >wife" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out >to > > > >destroy > > > > >> > > >society". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in >God". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level >of > >a > > >name > > > > >> >calling > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his > >wife > > >as > > > > >>evil. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought >of > > >those > > > > >>who > > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil > >and > > > > >>wicked, > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > > >beliefs. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty >words > > >that > > > >were > > > > >> >anti > > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these > >accusations > > >or > > > > >>else > > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a >most > > > >sincere > > > > >> >apology > > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those >accusations > > >and > > > > >> > >particularly > > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of > >this > > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > >public > > > > >>profile > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile > > > >at > > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile at > > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > >at > > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:17:54 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f235.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.235]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:17:21 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:17:19 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:17:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Obsessed with jesus Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:17:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:17:19.0697 (UTC) FILETIME=[06D9DC10:01C02F1A] ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:19:19 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of Life Mist da Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >= ) > >BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >again. >Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >simply >too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:19:19 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f266.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.44]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:19:10 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:19:09 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:19:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:19:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:19:09.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[48240830:01C02F1A] ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:20:52 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Why can't you summarize? Are you not equipped to? I have so much frutiful work to do than to get tricked into going to a porno web site. I told you I hate porno. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 > >Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or philosophy >course. Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of >what it means to believe. > >You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, >Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels. If I am ever driven >to >learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will >certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an >antiquated >source such as the Bible. > >= ) > >Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you dodge >them again? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing >along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed >away >when you give your sins to the Lord! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and >you will be ok!" > >Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? > >= ) > >Who's upset? This is comical. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a >name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother >you. > >I accept your concession Mark. > > > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose > >to > >be miserable." > > > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter > >religion. > > > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but >don't > >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > > > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their > >non-logic is a constant joke. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:20:51 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.199]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:20:31 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:20:30 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:20:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:20:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:20:30.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[789C2C90:01C02F1A] ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 05-Oct-00 15:22:49 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net You insulted my wife's faith in Christ and gave that as your reaosn for not going to Denny's. mr Wise.....give me your best explanation for the origin of life. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:30:14 EDT > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > >Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > >But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > >Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > >For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me! >Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:22:49 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.46]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:22:37 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:22:37 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:22:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:22:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:22:37.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[C432E9A0:01C02F1A] ################################################ Subj: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:25:15 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way. That is almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of fortuitious chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of the >Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope >of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some data in >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went >to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so >that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:25:15 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f103.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.103]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:24:49 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:24:48 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:24:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:24:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:24:48.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[125DBF10:01C02F1B] ################################################ Subj: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:27:32 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net I told you I lost every game I coached with the Junior high basketball team, so I have lost and can deal with it. You never listen to me Dave and that hurts...it really hurts. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Who gave the "fly" the name of "fly?" >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:31:16 EDT > > >> >Here is a dialog where I can save you an email.....I welcome your comments: > >Me: "Mark, Dave, you won't ever admit this, but you are two people who are >deathly afraid of God." > >Mark: "How can I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?" > >Me: "Ok......Mark, you are totally pissed off at God and emotionally driven >to spend vast amounts of time disrespecting God." > >Mark: "Why would I be be pissed off and spend time fighting something that >doesn't exist? Oppsy...wait... I do just that........." > >Me: "Exactly Mark, stop fighting a losing battle, you can't kill God." > >Mark: "You're right Bill, I am glad we have met. I will try to reason >with >Dave that fighting God is like totally uncool." > >Me: "I am glad we have met too." > >Mark: "Peace." > >Me: "Freedom." ><< > >There you go again, Bill M. You're acting like an idiot. > >But it does show you in your natural element. Living in your little >imaginary world where you can win all the battles. I think that is also >where you imagine that I had done all those horrible things that you >accused me of. > >Sorry, Bill, you really need to learn to deal with the real world. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:27:32 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.105]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:27:02 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:27:01 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:27:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:27:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:27:01.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[619C0050:01C02F1B] ################################################ Subj: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:29:54 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net the variable is the dude rolling the ball,a nd at what point is the wheel spinning when he releases the ball? I am the voice of reason, and once Liberal and Mr Wise open their closed mind, they will convert. My logic is that good. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 > >I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles. Pretty cool >if they had kept winning. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > > Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of >the Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with >the hope of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather >some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and >a friend went to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put >a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast >so that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.47]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:29:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:29:29 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:29:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:29:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:29:29.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[B99758E0:01C02F1B] ################################################ Subj: Chicken little was right! Date: 05-Oct-00 15:31:48 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies and blooming toward hopelessness. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > An impartial judge has ruled: > Bill 10 > Liberal 0 > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > >10 points to Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > >thought > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship > > >in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend so > > >much > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told >you > > >that > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it > >quite > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so >long. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > >easier > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a >few > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:31:48 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.12]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:31:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:31:18 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:31:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Chicken little was right! Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:31:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:31:18.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[FADFB040:01C02F1B] ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:33:05 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the Lord is on your side. So go easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of Life Mist da Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >= ) > >BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >again. >Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >simply >too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Bill remember the Lord helped you win.  These guys have no hope when the Lord is on your side.  So go easy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards?
See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of Life Mist da Mark. >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >consequently so enjoyable.  Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >= ) > >BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you.  Here they are >again. >Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >simply >too intimidated by a challenge.  Either way, I understand. > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:33:05 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:32:32 2000 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29855; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <017801c02f1b$bee86e60$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:29:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0175_01C02EE1.11957260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: 05-Oct-00 15:33:06 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said he did not want dinner because of our faith. I was hurt badly by this insult. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 > >This is a fair question. Bill what are your viewpoints or have you already >told them? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > > Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > > But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > > Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > > For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against >me! Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:33:06 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.88]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:32:37 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:36 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:32:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:32:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 22:32:36.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[29479240:01C02F1C] ################################################ Subj: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:33:12 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net *******************Jesus is Lord******************* ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? the variable is the dude rolling the ball,a nd at what point is the wheel spinning when he releases the ball? I am the voice of reason, and once Liberal and Mr Wise open their closed mind, they will convert. My logic is that good. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 > >I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles. Pretty cool >if they had kept winning. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > > Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of >the Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with >the hope of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather >some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and >a friend went to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put >a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast >so that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
*******************Jesus is Lord*******************
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations?
the variable is the dude rolling the ball,a nd at what point is the wheel spinning when he releases the ball? I am the voice of reason, and once Liberal and Mr Wise open their closed mind, they will convert. My logic is that good. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 > >I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles.  Pretty cool >if they had kept winning. >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   To: billyjack1@hotmail.com >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM >   Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > > >   >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > >   Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS?  It dealt mainly with the creation of >the Internet.  One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with >the hope of discovering a method of winning.  But they needed to gather >some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and >a friend went to a casino to gather that data.  The plan was for him to put >a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast >so that he would record his friend playing the wheel.  Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it.  Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:33:12 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:31:46 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29271; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016f01c02f1b$a0a89880$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:28:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016C_01C02EE0.F2FA0F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:34:54 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Purity is the result of belief in the truth. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Why can't you summarize? Are you not equipped to? I have so much frutiful work to do than to get tricked into going to a porno web site. I told you I hate porno. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 > >Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or philosophy >course. Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of >what it means to believe. > >You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, >Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels. If I am ever driven >to >learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will >certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an >antiquated >source such as the Bible. > >= ) > >Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you dodge >them again? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing >along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed >away >when you give your sins to the Lord! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and >you will be ok!" > >Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? > >= ) > >Who's upset? This is comical. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a >name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother >you. > >I accept your concession Mark. > > > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose > >to > >be miserable." > > > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter > >religion. > > > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but >don't > >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > > > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their > >non-logic is a constant joke. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about?
Why can't you summarize?  Are you not equipped to?  I have so much frutiful work to do than to get tricked into going to a porno web site.  I told you I hate porno. >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 > >Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or philosophy >course.  Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of >what it means to believe. > >You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, >Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels.  If I am ever driven >to >learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will >certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an >antiquated >source such as the Bible. > >= ) > >Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you dodge >them again? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing >along and smile!!!  I forgive you brother!  All your sins can be washed >away >when you give your sins to the Lord! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Mark no need to be upset.  When your upset just ask for God to step in and >you will be ok!" > >Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? > >= ) > >Who's upset?  This is comical. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a >name like a freak.  But if you are winning the argument it does not bother >you. > >I accept your concession Mark. > > > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it.  Many people choose > >to > >be miserable." > > > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter > >religion. > > > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but >don't > >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > > > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their > >non-logic is a constant joke. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:34:54 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:34:02 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA00306; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018101c02f1b$d5b97ee0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:30:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01C02EE1.286FAAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:38:53 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Actually this was in a very interesting article in Scientific American about 9 years ago. The guys put a microprocessor in the shoe of the guy who betted at the roulette wheel. He would push buttons on the processor that told it the position of the ball before spin, etc. Then they would enter in about 100 spins. Based on the table being slightly off horizontal, the ball characteristics, etc. they could guess just barely more often than bettors on what numbers would win. So they had a statistical advantage and started to win. Until the casino security caught them and they were forever bannished from the casinos!!! Great story and true! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way. That is almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of fortuitious chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of the >Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope >of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some data in >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went >to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so >that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Actually this was in a very interesting article in Scientific American about 9 years ago.  The guys put a microprocessor in the shoe of the guy who betted at the roulette wheel.  He would push buttons on the processor that told it the position of the ball before spin, etc.  Then they would enter in about 100 spins.  Based on the table being slightly off horizontal, the ball characteristics, etc. they could guess just barely more often than bettors on what numbers would win.  So they had a statistical advantage and started to win.  Until the casino security caught them and they were forever bannished from the casinos!!!  Great story and true!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ?
What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way.  That is almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of fortuitious chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard they >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS?  It dealt mainly with the creation of the >Internet.  One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his fellow >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the hope >of discovering a method of winning.  But they needed to gather some data in >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend went >to a casino to gather that data.  The plan was for him to put a tape >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so >that he would record his friend playing the wheel.  Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it.  Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:38:11 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04180; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018a01c02f1c$880cbda0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:35:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0187_01C02EE1.DAC2E960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Obsessed with jesus Date: 05-Oct-00 15:42:03 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com File: Obsessed.txt (65123 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Since the Romans nailed Christ to the cross why wouldn't they be the good guys? With out them Christ would never have been crucified and thus would not have risen. So while the Romans were not choir boys they fulfilled a role in the predestined crucifixion of Christ. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:17 PM Subject: Obsessed with jesus It was you guys, the bad guys, the guys in the black hats who did the nailing. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Dress up Jesus >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:52:14 -0500 > >Bill, as long as you don't staple me to a cross and award me with a crown >of >thorns, I'll be happy. > >Happy Easter! > >= ) > >Here's another website for you: >http://www.normalbobsmith.com/jesusdressup.html > >Enjoy. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:56 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard >haircut. Is that acceptable? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Mark, how can you get mad about Bill offering to give you a free hair cut? > >Remember when Prince sang "Sometimes I am just like my mother....she's >never >satisfied." > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:31:33 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become > >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token >of > >friendship!" > > > >All of that Bible fundamentalism finally coroded your brain Billy. What > >the > >Hell [fictitious place] are you talking about? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:39:28 -0700 > > > > > >Buddy, > > > Did you watch the game where the Lions played this weekend? > >Is > > >my team doing ok or should I add some more depth to my lineup? Oh I > >forgot > > >to mention that my wife cut my hair yesterday. We went and bought an > > >electric hair clipper set at Pic N Sav. It cost us only $12. What a > >deal > > >eh? Anyways she used the #2 spacer so I got a pretty short hair cut. > >The > > >kit had a video that showed how to cut hair. So we are gonna save a >lot > >of > > >money over the next 30 years! She was all worried about cutting my >hair. > > >But I said honey don't worry about it. It will grow back! That is the > > >nice thing about getting a haircut. If is stinks then the hair grows > >back. > > > Does your wife cut your hair? Or does she cut your daughters only. > >You > > >know I think it is better to get your hair cut at home. What do you > >think? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people > >choose > > >to > > > be miserable. One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and > >grumpy > > > people, but don't let them make you miserable and grumpy. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0700 > > > > > > > >Well the historical evidence proves that Jesus was a real person > >where > > > >miracles occurred. If you don't want to believe and accept the >fact > > >that > > > >the Lord loves you then that is your decision. But don't make >false > > > >statements. It just makes you look bad. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: editor@liberator.net ; >billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:22 PM > > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out > >that > > >if > > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend > > >so > > > >much > > > > >time angry about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > > > > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > >>CC: > > > > >>Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:20:48 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>"When you know the truth you are happy." > > > > >> > > > > >>Were you happy to learn that your personal savior is a character > >in > > >a > > > > >>story? > > > > >> > > > > >>= ) > > > > >> > > > > >>Mark > > > > >>The Liberator > > > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >From: "Media One Mail" > > > > >> >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > >> >CC: > > > > >> >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:47 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Bill have you ever noticed how unhappy some people are? Why >is > > >that? > > > > >>Bill > > > > >> >your real happy most the time! I think I know why!!!!! > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > To: editor@liberator.net ; plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:08 AM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I don't know about hype about exercising, I have always > > >exercised. > > > >I > > > > >> >have > > > > >> > been busy watching the Olympics (really as back ground >noise > > >while > > > > >>doing > > > > >> > other vital things). Do gymnasts hate their bodies? Oh >the > > > >humanity! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > > > > > >> > >CC: > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Have you noticed all of this exorcism hype? First the >Pope > > >tries > > > >to > > > > >> > >exorcise a woman but fails. Next a priest is trained as >an > > > >exorcist. > > > > >> >Then > > > > >> > >the film The Exorcist will be re-released soon. > >Coincidence? > > > > >>Nah.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >People love fiction. It's entertaining.... > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Mark > > > > >> > >The Liberator > > > > >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > >From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > >To: ; > > > > >> > >Cc: > > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:08 PM > > > > >> > >Subject: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >We will have a 6 foot long submarine sandwich and chips >and > > >stuff. > > > > >> >Please > > > > >> > >bring a liter bottle of your choice. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >From: "Mark" > > > > >> > > >To: > > > > >> > > >CC: , > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense >which > >I > > >now > > > > >>offer > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:52:56 -0500 > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >If it's possible for fictional characters to love... > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: .. > > > > >> > > > To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:50 AM > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > >which > > >I > > > >now > > > > >> >offer > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Break bread and become friends!!!! It is amazing what >a > > >cup > > > >of > > > > >>pop > > > > >> >and > > > > >> > > >piece of pizza can accomplish! Jesus Loves You! > > > > >> > > > Bill > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > >> > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > > >> > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:56 PM > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense > > >which I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to you > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Bill, good point, I offered to meet Mr Wise for >food > > >and > > > >drink > > > > >> >many > > > > >> > > >times > > > > >> > > > and have been rejected. You know how much I hate > > >typing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Mr Wise, lets meet and eat! :) > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >> > > > >To: > > > > >> > > > >CC: , > > > > > >> > > > >Subject: RE: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my >defense > > >which > > > >I > > > > >>now > > > > >> > >offer > > > > >> > > >to > > > > >> > > > >you > > > > >> > > > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:55 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Sorry, > > > > >> > > > >I didn't see the explanation below when I sent the > > >other > > > > >>email. > > > > >> > >Well > > > > >> > > >if > > > > >> > > > >Bill does not agree with your viewpoint or seems >to > > >have > > > > >> >slandered > > > > >> > > >your > > > > >> > > > >name > > > > >> > > > >it may be because discussions about religion are a > > >very > > > > >> >emotional > > > > >> > > >topic and > > > > >> > > > >even if you were correct you could not ask him to > > > >relinquish > > > > >> >his > > > > >> > > >"lifes > > > > >> > > > >values". You may be asking him to relinquish > > >everything > > > >that > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > >believes > > > > >> > > > >in > > > > >> > > > >i.e. his entire personality and vice versa. I >don't > > > >believe > > > > >> >much > > > > >> > >is > > > > >> > > > >accomplished in discussing religion, or politics. > > >Neither > > > > >> >party > > > > >> > >will > > > > >> > > >ever > > > > >> > > > >agree with the other in most cases. I am not > >refuting > > > >that > > > >I > > > > >> > >believe > > > > >> > > >in > > > > >> > > > >God > > > > >> > > > >by the above or that you or Bill are correct(I >just > > >don't > > > > >>have > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > >time to > > > > >> > > > >review all your emails) just that some issues are > > >better > > > >left > > > > >> >alone > > > > >> > > >if the > > > > >> > > > >goal is to convert the other based on the >discussion > > >at > > > >hand. > > > > >> > >Maybe > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >should all get together and have a pizza and chill >a > > > >little. > > > > >>I > > > > >> > >wish > > > > >> > > >you > > > > >> > > > >all > > > > >> > > > >well. Take Care, Bill B. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com [mailto:DWise1@aol.com] > > > > >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:56 PM > > > > >> > > > > > To: plasma@worldnet.att.net > > > > >> > > > > > Cc: dwise1@aol.com; editor@liberator.net; > > > > >> >billyjack1@hotmail.com > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my > >defense > > > >which > > > > >>I > > > > >> >now > > > > >> > > >offer to > > > > >> > > > > > you > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill B., I understand that Bill Morgan (Bill >M.) > >is > > > >your > > > > >> >friend, > > > > >> > > > > > but I would hope that that friendship would not > > >prevent > > > > >>you > > > > >> >from > > > > >> > > > > > seeking the truth. I am not asking you to side > > >with me > > > > >> >against > > > > >> > > > > > your friend, but rather that you side with the > > >cause of > > > > >> > > > > > determining the truth of this matter. From my > >own > > > > >> > >fundamentalist > > > > >> > > > > > Christian training, I remember being taught >that > > > > >>Christians > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > >to > > > > >> > > > > > serve the God of Truth, which Bill has echoed >in > > >his > > > > >> >published > > > > >> > > > > > writings by telling proselytization trainees >that > > >they > > > > >>serve > > > > >> > > > > > Truth. Unless fundamentalist Christian thought > >has > > > > >>changed > > > > >> > > > > > radically in the past few decades (besides the > > >heavy > > > > >> > > > > > politization), I would expect you to also want >to > > >serve > > > > >> >Truth. > > > > >> > > > > > That is all that I ask, that you honor and >apply > > >those > > > > >> >Christian > > > > >> > > >values. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to serve Truth, the facts must be > > >examined. > > > >That > > > > >> >is > > > > >> > >why > > > > >> > > > > > I had CC:'d all those messages to you, so that > >you > > > >could > > > > >> >learn > > > > >> > > > > > something about what the situation here really > >is. > > > >That > > > > >>is > > > > >> >also > > > > >> > > > > > why I told you where you could find copies of >the > > > > >> >correspondence > > > > >> > > > > > between Bill and me, so you could see for > >yourself > > >what > > > > >>had > > > > >> >been > > > > >> > > > > > said and what was going on. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill misled you to believe that this was a > > >disagreement > > > > >>over > > > > >> > > > > > world-views and that I was closing my eyes to >the > > > >facts. > > > > >>I > > > > >> >am > > > > >> > > > > > truly sorry to have to tell you this, but Bill > >lied > > >to > > > > >>you. > > > > >> > > > > > World views had not had a chance to enter into > >the > > > > >> >discussion. > > > > >> > > > > > And I have steadfastly insisted that we examine > >the > > > >facts > > > > >> > >whereas > > > > >> > > > > > Bill has steadfastly refused to and is >willfully > > > > >>preventing > > > > >> >our > > > > >> > > > > > examination of the facts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No, what the disagreement is over is that Bill > >has > > > > >> > > > > > libelled/slandered me and I am trying to >resolve > > >that > > > > >> >matter. > > > > >> > >He > > > > >> > > > > > has made several false accusations against me, > > >saying > > > >that > > > > >>I > > > > >> >had > > > > >> > > > > > said or that I believe various horrible things. > >I > > >am > > > >sure > > > > >> >that > > > > >> > >I > > > > >> > > > > > had never said such things to Bill or about >Bill > >in > > > >print. > > > > >> >I > > > > >> > > > > > have repeatedly asked Bill to substantiate his > > > > >>accusations, > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > > > the very least he needs to tell me what I had > >said, > > >as > > > > >>close > > > > >> >as > > > > >> > > > > > he can remember it. Bill steadfastly refuses. > > >Until > > > >he > > > > >> > >provides > > > > >> > > > > > that information, we cannot know which messages > >to > > > >examine > > > > >> >in > > > > >> > > > > > order to arrive at the truth. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In order to arrive at the truth in this matter, > >we > > >need > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > examine the facts, ie, what does Bill think I >had > > >said > > > >and > > > > >> >what > > > > >> > > > > > had I actually written? I have repeatedly >called > > >for > > > > >> > >examination > > > > >> > > > > > of the facts and Bill has steadfastly ignored > >those > > > > >> >requests. > > > > >> > > > > > Since I find it impossible to believe that he > >could > > > >have > > > > >> >missed > > > > >> > > > > > over 20 very clear requests (about 27 now, if >we > > > >include > > > > >> > > > > > references to those requests), Bill must be > > >withholding > > > > >>his > > > > >> > > > > > information willfully. That would mean that >Bill > > >is > > > > >> >willfully > > > > >> > > > > > opposing the Truth. Is that how a Christian is > > > >supposed > > > > >>to > > > > >> > > >behave? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As I said, I am not asking you to side with me > > >against > > > > >>Bill, > > > > >> >but > > > > >> > > > > > rather that you side with the Truth. I have >just > > > >repeated > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > >you > > > > >> > > > > > what I see the situation as being. You can >read > > >the > > > > >>actual > > > > >> > > > > > transcript to see whether I am being truthful >or > > >Bill > > > >is. > > > > >> >Or > > > > >> > > > > > neither of us. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In either case, we still need to resolve this > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately, Bill is being intransigent. We > >need > > > >help. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The actual role that I would like you to take >is > >to > > >try > > > >to > > > > >> > > > > > convince Bill to relinguish his information so > >that > > >we > > > >can > > > > >> > > > > > finally examine the facts. What does he think >I > > >said > > > >to > > > > >> >insult > > > > >> > > > > > his wife? What "very nasty names" does he >think > >I > > > >called > > > > >> >him? > > > > >> > > > > > At the end of this message, I will repeat the > >list > > >of > > > > >> > >accusations > > > > >> > > > > > Bill made against me; at least he confirmed >that > >he > > >had > > > > >> >indeed > > > > >> > > > > > made those accusations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If you are unsuccessful in that endeavor, then >at > > >least > > > > >>try > > > > >> >to > > > > >> > > > > > get Bill to explain to you why he refuses to > > >divulge > > > >that > > > > >> > > > > > information. Please remind him that if I had > >truly > > > >done > > > > >>the > > > > >> > > > > > things that he had accused me of, then we would > > >find > > > >them > > > > >> >right > > > > >> > > > > > there in the record. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Then if he refuses to give you that >explanation, > > >please > > > > >>ask > > > > >> >he > > > > >> > > > > > why he is afraid to have the facts examined in > >this > > > >case. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally, I believe that Bill Morgan sees >this > > >mess > > > >as > > > > >>one > > > > >> >big > > > > >> > > > > > "rabbit trail" that he wants to milk for all >that > > >he > > > >can. > > > > >> >As > > > > >> > > > > > long as we are mired in this mess, we cannot >have > >a > > > > >> >meaningful > > > > >> > > > > > discussion. About three years of >correspondence > > >with > > > >Bill > > > > >> >has > > > > >> > > > > > taught me that he is very evasive and will do > > >almost > > > > >> >anything he > > > > >> > > > > > can to avoid having a meaningful discussion. > >Even > > > >break > > > > >>one > > > > >> >of > > > > >> > > > > > the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > A list of a few of the false accusations Bill > > >Morgan > > > >has > > > > >> >made > > > > >> > > > > > against me and refuses to substantiate follows: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] >and > > >[his] > > > > >> >wife" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out >to > > > >destroy > > > > >> > > >society". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in >God". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level >of > >a > > >name > > > > >> >calling > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd grader." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his > >wife > > >as > > > > >>evil. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 7. Calling him "very nasty names." > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought >of > > >those > > > > >>who > > > > >> > > > > > beleive in Gid". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil > >and > > > > >>wicked, > > > > >> >the > > > > >> > > > > > world's most sinister people". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his > > >beliefs. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty >words > > >that > > > >were > > > > >> >anti > > > > >> > > > > > religious". > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bill needs to either substantiate these > >accusations > > >or > > > > >>else > > > > >> > > > > > acknowledge that they are false and offer a >most > > > >sincere > > > > >> >apology > > > > >> > > > > > to all parties for having made those >accusations > > >and > > > > >> > >particularly > > > > >> > > > > > for having prevented the timely resolution of > >this > > > >matter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > >public > > > > >>profile > > > > >> >at > > > > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile > > > >at > > > > >> > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > >> >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public > > >profile at > > > > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > >> > > > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > >at > > > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:42:03 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:40:58 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06149; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019301c02f1c$e8869de0$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Obsessed with jesus Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:37:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0190_01C02EE2.3AFB2CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 05-Oct-00 15:42:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Mr Wise what is your best explanation for the origin of life? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide You insulted my wife's faith in Christ and gave that as your reaosn for not going to Denny's. mr Wise.....give me your best explanation for the origin of life. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:30:14 EDT > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > >Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > >But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > >Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > >For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me! >Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Mr Wise what is your best explanation for the origin of life?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide
You insulted my wife's faith in Christ and gave that as your reaosn for not going to Denny's. mr Wise.....give me your best explanation for the origin of life. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:30:14 EDT > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > >Since when, Bill M?  Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996.  We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > >But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on.  I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy.  But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > >Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother.  If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > >For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against me!  >Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:42:11 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:41:37 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06855; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019c01c02f1d$03918780$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:38:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0199_01C02EE2.56387100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy? Date: 05-Oct-00 15:42:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill don't cry. OJ is free! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy? I told you I lost every game I coached with the Junior high basketball team, so I have lost and can deal with it. You never listen to me Dave and that hurts...it really hurts. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Who gave the "fly" the name of "fly?" >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:31:16 EDT > > >> >Here is a dialog where I can save you an email.....I welcome your comments: > >Me: "Mark, Dave, you won't ever admit this, but you are two people who are >deathly afraid of God." > >Mark: "How can I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?" > >Me: "Ok......Mark, you are totally pissed off at God and emotionally driven >to spend vast amounts of time disrespecting God." > >Mark: "Why would I be be pissed off and spend time fighting something that >doesn't exist? Oppsy...wait... I do just that........." > >Me: "Exactly Mark, stop fighting a losing battle, you can't kill God." > >Mark: "You're right Bill, I am glad we have met. I will try to reason >with >Dave that fighting God is like totally uncool." > >Me: "I am glad we have met too." > >Mark: "Peace." > >Me: "Freedom." ><< > >There you go again, Bill M. You're acting like an idiot. > >But it does show you in your natural element. Living in your little >imaginary world where you can win all the battles. I think that is also >where you imagine that I had done all those horrible things that you >accused me of. > >Sorry, Bill, you really need to learn to deal with the real world. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Bill don't cry.  OJ is free!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:27 PM
Subject: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy?
I told you I lost every game I coached with the Junior high basketball team, so I have lost and can deal with it. You never listen to me Dave and that hurts...it really hurts. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Who gave the "fly" the name of "fly?" >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:31:16 EDT > > >> >Here is a dialog where I can save you an email.....I welcome your comments: > >Me: "Mark, Dave, you won't ever admit this, but you are two people who are >deathly afraid of God." > >Mark: "How can I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?" > >Me: "Ok......Mark, you are totally pissed off at God and emotionally driven >to spend vast amounts of time disrespecting God." > >Mark: "Why would I be be pissed off and spend time fighting something that >doesn't exist?   Oppsy...wait... I do just that........." > >Me: "Exactly Mark, stop fighting a losing battle, you can't kill God." > >Mark:  "You're right Bill, I am glad we have met.  I will try to reason >with >Dave that fighting God is like totally uncool." > >Me: "I am glad we have met too." > >Mark: "Peace." > >Me: "Freedom." ><< > >There you go again, Bill M.  You're acting like an idiot. > >But it does show you in your natural element.  Living in your little >imaginary world where you can win all the battles.  I think that is also >where you imagine that I had done all those horrible things that you >accused me of. > >Sorry, Bill, you really need to learn to deal with the real world. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:42:44 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:42:09 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07254; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01a701c02f1d$16c15560$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Basketball Jones: An OJ conspiracy? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:39:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A4_01C02EE2.6980A8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: 05-Oct-00 15:44:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net 30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife. Now he has insulted your good name and family. Comments? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said he did not want dinner because of our faith. I was hurt badly by this insult. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 > >This is a fair question. Bill what are your viewpoints or have you already >told them? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > > Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > > But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > > Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > > For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against >me! Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife.  Now he has insulted your good name and family.  Comments?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast
I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said he did not want dinner because of our faith.  I was hurt badly by this insult. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 > >This is a fair question.  Bill what are your viewpoints or have you already >told them? >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   To: billyjack1@hotmail.com >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM >   Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > >   >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > >   Since when, Bill M?  Both Mark and I have observed you in action since >1996.  We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > >   But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what is >going on.  I guess that would make a difference, because you only want to >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy.  But >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you duck >and run. > >   >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from people >who will remain nameless.<< > >   Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then >things would run a whole lot smoother.  If only you weren't so afraid of >the truth. > >   For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against >me!  Tell us what you think I had said! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:44:55 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:43:36 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust238.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.238]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA08659; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01b201c02f1d$49239680$8220113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C02EE2.9BB83080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Chicken little was right! Date: 05-Oct-00 15:45:59 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill have you ever noticed how much more happy and less screwed up Christians are. They don't do drugs as often or seem as pessimistic as the heathen are. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Chicken little was right! Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies and blooming toward hopelessness. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > An impartial judge has ruled: > Bill 10 > Liberal 0 > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > >10 points to Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > >thought > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship > > >in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend so > > >much > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told >you > > >that > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it > >quite > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so >long. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > >easier > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a >few > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Bill have you ever noticed how much more happy and less screwed up Christians are.  They don't do drugs as often or seem as pessimistic as the heathen are.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:31 PM
Subject: Chicken little was right!
Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies and blooming toward hopelessness. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >   Cc: DWise1@aol.com >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM >   Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > >   An impartial judge has ruled: >   Bill 10 >   Liberal 0 > > >   >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a >   >ship in the first place? >   >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 >   > >   >10 points to Bill >   >   ----- Original Message ----- >   >   From: Bill Morgan >   >   To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   >   Cc: DWise1@aol.com >   >   Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM >   >   Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such >   >a ship in the first place? >   > >   > >   >   Mark, I apologized.  Based upon your obcession with Christianity I >   >thought >   >   you believed it was true just unappealling. >   > >   > >   >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >   >   >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >   >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a >   >ship >   >   >in the first place? >   >   >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 >   >   > >   >   >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: >   >   > >   >   >"Mark:  why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that >   >if >   >   >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend so >   >   >much >   >   >time angry about it?" >   >   > >   >   >Bill, I didn't ignore it.  You must have missed the letter.  I told >you >   >   >that >   >   >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction.  In fact, I find it >   >quite >   >   >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so >long. >   >   > >   >   >= ) >   >   > >   >   >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories.  I guess it's >   >easier >   >   >than believing reality.  That's their call.  It's my right to get a >few >   >   >chuckles out of it. >   >   > >   >   >Mark >   >   >The Liberator >   >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   >   > >   > >   > >   > >_________________________________________________________________________ >   >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >   >http://www.hotmail.com. >   > >   >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   >   http://profiles.msn.com. >   > > >   >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:42:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B8_01C02EE2.D2F2FBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Kent Hovind speaking in Southern Cal Date: 05-Oct-00 17:31:45 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack321@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1 Yes, I am familiar with Kent Hovind. Many Christians and creationists consider his scientific competence to be questionable. One creationist associated with a major creationist organization told me off the record that they are very concerned about Hovind's claims and the detrimental effects that they can have on Another Christian friend used to be a certifiable YEC addict until he watched a Kent Hovind video. In his own words: "One day, being psyched-up for a new fix, I popped in a video I had received from a young man at Church. The tape was a series of debates (about eight), between a famous "young earther" and various evolutionists. After viewing them, I found my jaw on the floor. I truly expected these evolutionists to roll over and die after being presented with this battering of "facts" - they didn't! I was truely numbed and frankly, pretty upset with the manners of this "young earther." I had to come to some serious conclusions that day. -- Scientists have answers for each point raised, e.g. shrinking sun, polystrate fossils etc., they were NOT surprised at all! -- Creation Science is not science. I watched as this creationist fellow was repeatedly being cornered, relying on miracle after miracle to answer their questions. Yes, God can and does perform miracles, but these were miracles that were not even in the Bible - that's not science! -- I have been a hypocrite! My favorite reasoning with skeptics is to challenge them to examine both sides of an issue before reaching their conclusions. "How can we dialogue fairly if we only have one point of view?" I would ask. But I have NEVER given an evolutionist nor an old earth creationist the opportunity to present their case! I talked to my pastor (a young-earther), about my new discoveries. He warned me as so many other "creationists" have, that to continue on this path was dangerous and would only lead to me falling away from the faith. ... Since then, I have corresponded with several Christians who have traveled the same path as I have. One thing that is always agreed upon is the damage young-earth creationism can do to souls; how many believers they have seen fall away. We have been taught that the Bible demands a young earth interpretation and when the facts of nature become inescapable - our faith becomes shattered! My pastor was wrong, the opposite was the case. If "R" had been offered the truth from the beginning, he would never have experienced the turmoil he went through. When "R" could no longer deny that the universe was billions of years old, the only option left for him was to deny the Bible. How many others have been disheartened in like manner?" I have also visited Hovind's site, where he claims to have researched his material thoroughly. However, it is obvious that that is not true. In particular in his article that the universe is not billions of years old, I observed that ALL of his cited sources were by other creationists and that he had not tried to verify THEIR sources (we should talk some time about how creationist claims circulate among creationists and are accepted uncritically, judged only by how convincing they sound). I know that, because he uses Ackermann's "It's a Young Earth After All" as a source for his moon dust argument. In turn, Ackermann had relied almost entirely on a reference to a "1976" NASA document "written well into the space age." I've read that "1976" NASA document. It was "Meteor Orbits and Dust", a 1967 printing of papers presented at a 1965 conference. The actual claim that Ackermann uses was written by Harold Slusher, who misrepresented the date of the document and took values out of it to plug into a formula of his own making. That formula inflated its results by a factor of 10,000 by incorporating extra factors that the document and the rules of math clearly say would not apply. You can read about it on my Moon Dust page, http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/moondust.html . If Hovind had actually done his research as he should have, back to the primary source, then he would have known that he was basing his moon dust claim on a hoax. He also fell for the Oñate Man hoax. In Philadelphia on 7 May 1999, he told the packed audience at Calvary Chapel about a recent fossil find that scientists were trying to cover up: the fossilized remains of a human in the jaws of an allosaurus reported at www.darwindisproved.com ! That "find" was a hoax created by members of New Mexicans for Science & Reason (NMSR). You can read all about it at http://www.darwindisproved.com/april_fool.html and the original at http://www.darwindisproved.com/Archive.html . Here is what Hovind has to say about it in a phone conversation with Stephen Meyers, as related by Meyers [see http://hometown.aol.com/ibss3/hovind.html]: "He said that someone told him that morning about www.darwindisproved.com so he put it in his presentation, later that day he discovered it was a hoax and removed it (I would think you would want to check out a web site before recommending it to a large audience)." Of course, his having removed that claim from his presentation does not help most of the Philadelphia audience who still have not heard that it was a hoax, so the damage has been done. But even worse is that he had simply accepted HEARSAY at face value, did not make even the slightest attempt to verify it, and presented it to the public authoritatively as a solid fact As I had discovered on his website, HOVIND DOES NOT DO HIS HOMEWORK. He in fact does NOT research his claims. The subject of Hovind's PhD always comes up. Patriot University is now nothing more than a diploma mill, but Hovind says that it was accredited when he got his degree. However, there are several glaring irregularities about his thesis, not the least of which being that Hovind is constantly rewriting it and a complete copy is nowhere to be found (a doctoral candidate publishes the final form of his thesis, a copy of which is kept by the school). The complete story on this can be found at "The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn't Want You to Read: A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis" by Karen Bartelt, Ph.D., at http://www.onthenet.com.au/~stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm . Bill M, I think I know why you admire Kent Hovind so much. He also refuses to engage in a written debate! Read about it at http://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM . Bill M will especially admire how Hovind dances about in all directions to avoid the issues. Dr. Karen E. Bartelt also reports "On the Till-Hovind Debate" at http://www.holysmoke.org/hovind2.htm . This tells you something about Hovind's presentation style -- too rapid-fire for anybody to actually think about what he is saying. That must be why he doesn't want to engage in a written debate; he doesn't want his audience to be able to think about and test his claims. This page also includes Hovind's claim about the 11-foot human skeleton. I forget if he uses it here, but one of Hovind's tactics is the "Christian Death Threat": the last thing he says is that his opponent is going to Hell. Which is a natural lead-in to Ed Babinski's "Cretinism or Evilution? No. 3: Men Over Ten Feel Tall" at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part2.html. Here, Babinski (a former fundamentalist and YEC) tried his best to research Hovind and Baugh's claim of a skeleton found in an Italian mine. What is more disturbing than the absolute lack of any evidence for this claim, is that none of the creationists Babinski was trying to work with had any desire or interest in verifying their claim, even though Babinski was doing all the work for them. Supports my current thesis that creationists only care about how convincing a creationist claim sounds; they really do not care whether it's actually true. Have you heard the Hovind claim about an ancient 90-foot plum tree that had been found in Siberia, frozen in place and bearing fruit? Ed Babinski checked that one out too, as he reports in "A Frozen Ninety Foot Tall Plum Tree with Ripe Fruit and Green Leaves Found North of the Arctic Circle?" at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part3.html . As I read this and saw the German explorer's name, von Toll ("toll" = "crazy"), I thought that was part of the fabrication, but, no, that name was about the only part that was true. Another creationist had gotten the real story from a second- or third-generation source and fabricated the plum-tree story from it. Hovind got the story from that creationist (or from the n-th creationist to have passed it on) and didn't bother to check it out. This is yet another example of Kent Hovind not actually doing the research that he boasts about doing (guess that means he's lying about researching his claims). Here are a few more sites for more information about Hovind and his claims: "How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims" by Dave Matson, April 21, 1994 http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/matson-vs-hovind.html An excellent review of Hovind's claims and critiques thereof. Contains the best and most thorough coverage of Slusher's moon-dust claim that I have seen anywhere. Hovind "critiques" Matson at his site, but if he had actually read it then he would know that his moon-dust claim is based on a hoax [see above]. The Wild, Wild World of Kent Hovind. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.html No Answers in Genesis! http://www.onthenet.com.au/~stear/ This is the parent site of a number of the pages listed here and contains several links to creationist topics, including others about Hovind. CSE: Specific Responses to Claims Made By Kent Hovind and the Creation Science Evangelism Web Pages http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~hjlecken/hovind.html "Dr." Kent Hovind http://www.geocities.com/odonate/hovind.htm "Kent Hovind is a Kwazy Kweationist" http://www.skepticfriends.org/letter31.html ################################################ Subj: Re: Kent Hovind speaking in Southern Cal Date: 05-Oct-00 20:13:25 Pacific Daylight Time From: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Spud Boy) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack321@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill what is your response? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Kent Hovind speaking in Southern Cal Yes, I am familiar with Kent Hovind. Many Christians and creationists consider his scientific competence to be questionable. One creationist associated with a major creationist organization told me off the record that they are very concerned about Hovind's claims and the detrimental effects that they can have on Another Christian friend used to be a certifiable YEC addict until he watched a Kent Hovind video. In his own words: "One day, being psyched-up for a new fix, I popped in a video I had received from a young man at Church. The tape was a series of debates (about eight), between a famous "young earther" and various evolutionists. After viewing them, I found my jaw on the floor. I truly expected these evolutionists to roll over and die after being presented with this battering of "facts" - they didn't! I was truely numbed and frankly, pretty upset with the manners of this "young earther." I had to come to some serious conclusions that day. -- Scientists have answers for each point raised, e.g. shrinking sun, polystrate fossils etc., they were NOT surprised at all! -- Creation Science is not science. I watched as this creationist fellow was repeatedly being cornered, relying on miracle after miracle to answer their questions. Yes, God can and does perform miracles, but these were miracles that were not even in the Bible - that's not science! -- I have been a hypocrite! My favorite reasoning with skeptics is to challenge them to examine both sides of an issue before reaching their conclusions. "How can we dialogue fairly if we only have one point of view?" I would ask. But I have NEVER given an evolutionist nor an old earth creationist the opportunity to present their case! I talked to my pastor (a young-earther), about my new discoveries. He warned me as so many other "creationists" have, that to continue on this path was dangerous and would only lead to me falling away from the faith. ... Since then, I have corresponded with several Christians who have traveled the same path as I have. One thing that is always agreed upon is the damage young-earth creationism can do to souls; how many believers they have seen fall away. We have been taught that the Bible demands a young earth interpretation and when the facts of nature become inescapable - our faith becomes shattered! My pastor was wrong, the opposite was the case. If "R" had been offered the truth from the beginning, he would never have experienced the turmoil he went through. When "R" could no longer deny that the universe was billions of years old, the only option left for him was to deny the Bible. How many others have been disheartened in like manner?" I have also visited Hovind's site, where he claims to have researched his material thoroughly. However, it is obvious that that is not true. In particular in his article that the universe is not billions of years old, I observed that ALL of his cited sources were by other creationists and that he had not tried to verify THEIR sources (we should talk some time about how creationist claims circulate among creationists and are accepted uncritically, judged only by how convincing they sound). I know that, because he uses Ackermann's "It's a Young Earth After All" as a source for his moon dust argument. In turn, Ackermann had relied almost entirely on a reference to a "1976" NASA document "written well into the space age." I've read that "1976" NASA document. It was "Meteor Orbits and Dust", a 1967 printing of papers presented at a 1965 conference. The actual claim that Ackermann uses was written by Harold Slusher, who misrepresented the date of the document and took values out of it to plug into a formula of his own making. That formula inflated its results by a factor of 10,000 by incorporating extra factors that the document and the rules of math clearly say would not apply. You can read about it on my Moon Dust page, http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/moondust.html . If Hovind had actually done his research as he should have, back to the primary source, then he would have known that he was basing his moon dust claim on a hoax. He also fell for the Oñate Man hoax. In Philadelphia on 7 May 1999, he told the packed audience at Calvary Chapel about a recent fossil find that scientists were trying to cover up: the fossilized remains of a human in the jaws of an allosaurus reported at www.darwindisproved.com ! That "find" was a hoax created by members of New Mexicans for Science & Reason (NMSR). You can read all about it at http://www.darwindisproved.com/april_fool.html and the original at http://www.darwindisproved.com/Archive.html . Here is what Hovind has to say about it in a phone conversation with Stephen Meyers, as related by Meyers [see http://hometown.aol.com/ibss3/hovind.html]: "He said that someone told him that morning about www.darwindisproved.com so he put it in his presentation, later that day he discovered it was a hoax and removed it (I would think you would want to check out a web site before recommending it to a large audience)." Of course, his having removed that claim from his presentation does not help most of the Philadelphia audience who still have not heard that it was a hoax, so the damage has been done. But even worse is that he had simply accepted HEARSAY at face value, did not make even the slightest attempt to verify it, and presented it to the public authoritatively as a solid fact As I had discovered on his website, HOVIND DOES NOT DO HIS HOMEWORK. He in fact does NOT research his claims. The subject of Hovind's PhD always comes up. Patriot University is now nothing more than a diploma mill, but Hovind says that it was accredited when he got his degree. However, there are several glaring irregularities about his thesis, not the least of which being that Hovind is constantly rewriting it and a complete copy is nowhere to be found (a doctoral candidate publishes the final form of his thesis, a copy of which is kept by the school). The complete story on this can be found at "The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn't Want You to Read: A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis" by Karen Bartelt, Ph.D., at http://www.onthenet.com.au/~stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm . Bill M, I think I know why you admire Kent Hovind so much. He also refuses to engage in a written debate! Read about it at http://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM . Bill M will especially admire how Hovind dances about in all directions to avoid the issues. Dr. Karen E. Bartelt also reports "On the Till-Hovind Debate" at http://www.holysmoke.org/hovind2.htm . This tells you something about Hovind's presentation style -- too rapid-fire for anybody to actually think about what he is saying. That must be why he doesn't want to engage in a written debate; he doesn't want his audience to be able to think about and test his claims. This page also includes Hovind's claim about the 11-foot human skeleton. I forget if he uses it here, but one of Hovind's tactics is the "Christian Death Threat": the last thing he says is that his opponent is going to Hell. Which is a natural lead-in to Ed Babinski's "Cretinism or Evilution? No. 3: Men Over Ten Feel Tall" at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part2.html. Here, Babinski (a former fundamentalist and YEC) tried his best to research Hovind and Baugh's claim of a skeleton found in an Italian mine. What is more disturbing than the absolute lack of any evidence for this claim, is that none of the creationists Babinski was trying to work with had any desire or interest in verifying their claim, even though Babinski was doing all the work for them. Supports my current thesis that creationists only care about how convincing a creationist claim sounds; they really do not care whether it's actually true. Have you heard the Hovind claim about an ancient 90-foot plum tree that had been found in Siberia, frozen in place and bearing fruit? Ed Babinski checked that one out too, as he reports in "A Frozen Ninety Foot Tall Plum Tree with Ripe Fruit and Green Leaves Found North of the Arctic Circle?" at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part3.html . As I read this and saw the German explorer's name, von Toll ("toll" = "crazy"), I thought that was part of the fabrication, but, no, that name was about the only part that was true. Another creationist had gotten the real story from a second- or third-generation source and fabricated the plum-tree story from it. Hovind got the story from that creationist (or from the n-th creationist to have passed it on) and didn't bother to check it out. This is yet another example of Kent Hovind not actually doing the research that he boasts about doing (guess that means he's lying about researching his claims). Here are a few more sites for more information about Hovind and his claims: "How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims" by Dave Matson, April 21, 1994 http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/matson-vs-hovind.html An excellent review of Hovind's claims and critiques thereof. Contains the best and most thorough coverage of Slusher's moon-dust claim that I have seen anywhere. Hovind "critiques" Matson at his site, but if he had actually read it then he would know that his moon-dust claim is based on a hoax [see above]. The Wild, Wild World of Kent Hovind. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.html No Answers in Genesis! http://www.onthenet.com.au/~stear/ This is the parent site of a number of the pages listed here and contains several links to creationist topics, including others about Hovind. CSE: Specific Responses to Claims Made By Kent Hovind and the Creation Science Evangelism Web Pages http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~hjlecken/hovind.html "Dr." Kent Hovind http://www.geocities.com/odonate/hovind.htm "Kent Hovind is a Kwazy Kweationist" http://www.skepticfriends.org/letter31.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:13:25 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from bb (we-24-130-113-25.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.25]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA09928; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801c02f44$42593cc0$19718218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Spud Boy" To: , Cc: , References: <78.b1464d3.270e7771@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kent Hovind speaking in Southern Cal Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:19:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net id UAA09928 ################################################ Subj: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: 07-Oct-00 16:36:13 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Jesus is a mythical character in a story, as it appears in the Bible. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? *******************Jesus is Lord******************* ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? the variable is the dude rolling the ball,a nd at what point is the wheel spinning when he releases the ball? I am the voice of reason, and once Liberal and Mr Wise open their closed mind, they will convert. My logic is that good. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 > >I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles. Pretty cool >if they had kept winning. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > > Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of >the Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with >the hope of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather >some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and >a friend went to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put >a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast >so that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
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Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations?
the variable is the dude rolling the ball,a nd at what point is the wheel spinning when he releases the ball? I am the voice of reason, and once Liberal and Mr Wise open their closed mind, they will convert. My logic is that good. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:48 -0700 > >I saw that and I also read about it in some magazine articles.  Pretty cool >if they had kept winning. >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   To: billyjack1@hotmail.com >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:28 AM >   Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > > >   >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > >   Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS?  It dealt mainly with the creation of >the Internet.  One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with >the hope of discovering a method of winning.  But they needed to gather >some data in the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and >a friend went to a casino to gather that data.  The plan was for him to put >a tape recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast >so that he would record his friend playing the wheel.  Unfortunately, his >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast that >had a wire running to it.  Killed that research project in a hurry. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:36:13 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:36:01 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29877; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:35:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <005c01c030b7$97b8e840$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <016f01c02f1b$a0a89880$8220113f@com> Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:37:43 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C0308D.AE229D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Chicken little was right! Date: 07-Oct-00 16:37:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, the Bible is planted in truth? Ha.. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Chicken little was right! Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies and blooming toward hopelessness. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > An impartial judge has ruled: > Bill 10 > Liberal 0 > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > >10 points to Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > >thought > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a > >ship > > >in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and >spend so > > >much > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told >you > > >that > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it > >quite > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so >long. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > >easier > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a >few > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:37:01 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:36:45 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30012; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:36:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <006501c030b7$b22cc200$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Chicken little was right! Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:38:28 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 07-Oct-00 16:38:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com If you are ill-equipped to handle the convincing articles at www.liberator.net, I'll understand. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Why can't you summarize? Are you not equipped to? I have so much frutiful work to do than to get tricked into going to a porno web site. I told you I hate porno. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 > >Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or philosophy >course. Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of >what it means to believe. > >You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, >Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels. If I am ever driven >to >learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will >certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an >antiquated >source such as the Bible. > >= ) > >Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you dodge >them again? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing >along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed >away >when you give your sins to the Lord! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in and >you will be ok!" > >Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? > >= ) > >Who's upset? This is comical. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a >name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not bother >you. > >I accept your concession Mark. > > > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people choose > >to > >be miserable." > > > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: enter > >religion. > > > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but >don't > >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > > > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because their > >non-logic is a constant joke. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:38:55 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:38:34 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30205; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:38:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <007001c030b7$f3296a60$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:40:17 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 07-Oct-00 16:41:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. But why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:41:16 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:40:55 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30374; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:40:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <007c01c030b8$47d2ffe0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:42:39 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 07-Oct-00 16:43:02 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com How happy was your 'savior' when he was being nailed to a wooden beam? = ) That's got a sting to the point of upsetting one's day. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? An impartial judge has ruled: Bill 10 Liberal 0 >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > >10 points to Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such >a ship in the first place? > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I >thought > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship > >in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that >if > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so > >much > >time angry about it?" > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told you > >that > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it >quite > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > > > >= ) > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's >easier > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a few > >chuckles out of it. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:43:02 2000 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:42:37 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30528; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:42:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <008601c030b8$844983e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <016601c02f19$551b1520$8220113f@com> Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:44:19 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 00:57:21 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray for help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I sent to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are you admitting defeat so easily? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the Lord is on your side. So go easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of Life Mist da Mark. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >= ) > >BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >again. >Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >simply >too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 03:57:20 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 03:56:54 2000 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA72290; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:56:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00c901c030fd$91380280$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <017801c02f1b$bee86e60$8220113f@com> Subject: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:58:37 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 13:29:41 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other atheists. God Bless you! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM Subject: Does God Take Sides? >Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray for >help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I sent >to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are you >admitting defeat so easily? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >Lord is on your side. So go easy. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > >I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >Life Mist da Mark. > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >> >>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >> >>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >> >>= ) >> >>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>again. >>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>simply >>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >> >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:29:41 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:29:15 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28083; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000401c03167$3aa41c00$f338fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:34:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 19:07:42 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't handle the truth and often leave the big issues for others. Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on ignoring those works like the other Bill? Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath [see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character indeed -- fickle to say the least! = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other atheists. God Bless you! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM Subject: Does God Take Sides? >Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray for >help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I sent >to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are you >admitting defeat so easily? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >Lord is on your side. So go easy. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > >I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >Life Mist da Mark. > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >> >>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >> >>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >> >>= ) >> >>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>again. >>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>simply >>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >> >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:07:42 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:07:23 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA65023; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:07:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00e101c03195$e7c7e820$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <000401c03167$3aa41c00$f338fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:09:05 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:08:43 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking about why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't handle >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >atheists. God Bless you! >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you >>admitting defeat so easily? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >>Life Mist da Mark. >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>>again. >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>>simply >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:08:43 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:08:25 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07572; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000401c031a7$5165cf20$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:13:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:16:03 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, Well a couple things are shown to extend one's life and health. They are proven to be believing in God i.e. having faith in a higher being other than yourself, marriage where the spouses tend to care for each other, and interests in hobbies where other people are involved. You sound unhappy. If you ever want to get together for pizza with me and Bill to talk give us an email. Ciao! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't handle >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >atheists. God Bless you! >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you >>admitting defeat so easily? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >>Life Mist da Mark. >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>>again. >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>>simply >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:16:03 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:15:43 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA10498; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001901c031a8$56498760$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:21:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:16:34 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from all the religions and philosophies that are available. Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. = ) Thinking for the both of us, Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Mark, You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking about why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't handle >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >atheists. God Bless you! >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you >>admitting defeat so easily? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >>Life Mist da Mark. >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>>again. >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>>simply >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:16:33 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:16:09 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA77278; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:16:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00e901c031a7$e2e48360$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <000401c031a7$5165cf20$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:17:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth defects. That is God's answer. -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. But >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:17:44 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:17:23 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11249; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e01c031a8$912ebd00$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:22:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:18:12 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Mark, Just out of curiosity are you married? -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM Subject: Does God Take Sides? >Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray for >help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I sent >to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are you >admitting defeat so easily? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >Lord is on your side. So go easy. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > >I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >Life Mist da Mark. > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >> >>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >> >>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >> >>= ) >> >>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>again. >>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>simply >>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >> >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:18:12 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:17:56 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11511; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002501c031a8$a600a220$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:23:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:33:20 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light of defects caused by incestuous relations? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Mark, You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth defects. That is God's answer. -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. But >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:33:20 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:33:04 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA79167; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:33:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00f901c031aa$411b8da0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <001e01c031a8$912ebd00$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: 08-Oct-00 21:35:42 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@aol.com Bill, can you provide the actual research? Don't ignore this request like you ignored the issues at www.liberator.net/ulc/ . People make a lot of claims they can't reinforce. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Mark, Well a couple things are shown to extend one's life and health. They are proven to be believing in God i.e. having faith in a higher being other than yourself, marriage where the spouses tend to care for each other, and interests in hobbies where other people are involved. You sound unhappy. If you ever want to get together for pizza with me and Bill to talk give us an email. Ciao! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't handle >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >atheists. God Bless you! >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you >>admitting defeat so easily? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> >> >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >>Life Mist da Mark. >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >>>again. >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >>>simply >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:35:42 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:35:21 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA79351; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:35:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00fe01c031aa$92b04200$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <001901c031a8$56498760$e5a6fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:37:02 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 09-Oct-00 17:36:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1 CC: plasma@worldnet.att.net >>Obstruct ALL attempts to resolve? Um cscuse me sir, I invite you to dinner and a party and I am not tring to resotore our friendship? Delusional............<< Excuse me, Bill M, but what "friendship" are you talking about? You cannot restore something which never existed in the first place. Talk about somebody being delusional! What is wrong with you? Do you really have no idea whatsoever what has been happening here for the past TEN WEEKS? Do I have to explain it to you YET AGAIN? Bill M, you made several accusations against me and we need to get that resolved. You have accused me of several serious transgressions of which I have no knowledge and which I have been unable to find anywhere in the written record of our exchanges. I listed the first accusations and you have verified that they are indeed the accusations which you have made against me. Here they are again, Bill Morgan, some of the accusations you have made against me: 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" 2. Thinking you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". 3. Thinking you are "wacked for beleiving in God". 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." 5. "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]. 6. That my wife and I had labelled you and your wife as evil. 7. Calling you "very nasty names." 8. That I had told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". 9. That I would think your and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". 10. That I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words that were anti religious". My immediate response to these accusations was to try to get the situation resolved. I have repeatedly asked you to substantiate your accusations against me. I have repeatedly informed you that in order to resolve this situation I needed to know WHAT YOU THINK I HAD WRITTEN SO THAT WE COULD LOCATE THE MESSAGES IN QUESTION AND EXAMINE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY. I have told you that repeatedly and you have repeatedly refused to provide that much needed information. I have tried to locate some of them without that necessary information, but have not been able to find any match. And as for most of your accusations, I HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! And the most that you have had to offer has just been to repeat the accusations without providing any of the information needed to identify the original messages in order to resolve the situation. Bill M, the situation is that we need to determine the truth about your accusations against me. Resolution of this situation requires that we examine the messages upon which you purport to base your accusations. This requires that you inform us of the wording that you "remember" me having used so that we can identify the messages in question. Bill M, by your willful and persistent refusal to provide that information you have indeed been obstructing ALL our attempts to resolve the situation and you have been doing so for the past TEN WEEKS! The reasonable interpretation of your actions would be that you are afraid that we will all discover the truth, that your accusations against me are groundless and without substance. And the wilfullness with which you are preventing our examination of the facts indicates that you know full well that your accusations are false. If you really believed that your accusations were true, then you would have no reason to obstruct our search for the truth. Bump the count to show that I have requested this information from you for the THIRTY-SECOND TIME now. ################################################ Subj: Returned mail: User unknown Date: 09-Oct-00 17:37:48 Pacific Daylight Time From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: DWise1@aol.com The original message was received at Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:36:32 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost *** ATTENTION *** Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its delivery. The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----". 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User unknown -------------------- Final-Recipient: RFC822; plasma@worldnet.att.net Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; gateway5.worldnet.att.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Invalid recipient: Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:37:21 -0400 (EDT) -------------------- Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id i.b9.773b006 (15876); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Return-Path: Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:36:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:36:31 EDT From: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you To: Cc: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: >>Obstruct ALL attempts to resolve? Um cscuse me sir, I invite you to dinner and a party and I am not tring to resotore our friendship? Delusional............<< Excuse me, Bill M, but what "friendship" are you talking about? You cannot restore something which never existed in the first place. Talk about somebody being delusional! What is wrong with you? Do you really have no idea whatsoever what has been happening here for the past TEN WEEKS? Do I have to explain it to you YET AGAIN? Bill M, you made several accusations against me and we need to get that resolved. You have accused me of several serious transgressions of which I have no knowledge and which I have been unable to find anywhere in the written record of our exchanges. I listed the first accusations and you have verified that they are indeed the accusations which you have made against me. Here they are again, Bill Morgan, some of the accusations you have made against me: 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" 2. Thinking you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". 3. Thinking you are "wacked for beleiving in God". 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." 5. "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]. 6. That my wife and I had labelled you and your wife as evil. 7. Calling you "very nasty names." 8. That I had told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". 9. That I would think your and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". 10. That I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words that were anti religious". My immediate response to these accusations was to try to get the situation resolved. I have repeatedly asked you to substantiate your accusations against me. I have repeatedly informed you that in order to resolve this situation I needed to know WHAT YOU THINK I HAD WRITTEN SO THAT WE COULD LOCATE THE MESSAGES IN QUESTION AND EXAMINE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY. I have told you that repeatedly and you have repeatedly refused to provide that much needed information. I have tried to locate some of them without that necessary information, but have not been able to find any match. And as for most of your accusations, I HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! And the most that you have had to offer has just been to repeat the accusations without providing any of the information needed to identify the original messages in order to resolve the situation. Bill M, the situation is that we need to determine the truth about your accusations against me. Resolution of this situation requires that we examine the messages upon which you purport to base your accusations. This requires that you inform us of the wording that you "remember" me having used so that we can identify the messages in question. Bill M, by your willful and persistent refusal to provide that information you have indeed been obstructing ALL our attempts to resolve the situation and you have been doing so for the past TEN WEEKS! The reasonable interpretation of your actions would be that you are afraid that we will all discover the truth, that your accusations against me are groundless and without substance. And the wilfullness with which you are preventing our examination of the facts indicates that you know full well that your accusations are false. If you really believed that your accusations were true, then you would have no reason to obstruct our search for the truth. Bump the count to show that I have requested this information from you for the THIRTY-SECOND TIME now. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:37:46 -0400 Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.234]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:37:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with internal id UAA17541; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <200010100037.UAA17541@imo-d10.mx.aol.com> To: DWise1@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="UAA17541.971138241/imo-d10.mx.aol.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) ################################################ Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 09-Oct-00 17:38:32 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>I am so happy to hear that at lease you used to celebrate the birth of our Savior, jesus christ!<< What are you talking about? Oh, you mean Saturnalia and Sol Invictus? It's the celebration of the Winter Solstice which got taken over by some young upstart cult you may have heard of. Almost every Christmas symbol and custom was taken from pagan traditions. The Christmas tree, yule log, wassal, holly and misteltoe (the Resurrection God, Baldar, was killed by the misteltoe), Santa Claus (AKA "Wotan"), etc. Even the story of the Nativity seems to have been lifted from the pagan traditions. All good old-fashioned Pagan traditions, absorbed and assimilated by the Christians. Actually, it's quite interesting how early Christianity absorbed and assimilated the indiginous pagan religions as it spread. They did it again when they conquered the New World. I wonder if Roddenberry (or Bergman -- I'm not sure who was in charge at that point) had those earlier Christian missionaries in mind when he came up with the Borg. Here's an interesting trivia question. The date of Christmas is based on the date of the Winter Solstice. But if the Winter Solstice is on the 21st, then why is Christmas on the 25th? There's nothing esoteric nor biblical about the answer. >>Give me that old time religion!<< Oh, I love that song! I'd like to share with you an extremely few of the well-over 800 verses. Most of the rest of the verses can be found at "The Official, Accept no Cheap Substitutes, Real Old Time Religion Page" at http://www.locksley.com/vintage/realotr.htm : (Chorus): Give me that real old time religion (3X) It's good enough for me! AGNOSTIC/ATHEIST CHORUS: Gimme NO kind-a religion Gimme NO kind-a religion Gimme NO kind-a religion It simply ain't for me! Lots of folks are into God And I've often thought it odd Do they love Him for His bod'? Or is it ideology? I don't care about Jehover Soon his office term is over I would sooner worship Rover 'Cause he's good enough for me! [Bill M, I included this one in honor of the recent "What's 'dog' spelled backwards?" subject line] It's the Fundie Right's solution To put Christian absolution In the U.S. Constitution And that don't sit well with me! Jehovah's fine transcendence And the Church's great resplendence Pushing guilt and co-dependence Ain't good enough for me! Let us all worship Reason Cause it never goes out of season And only it makes good predictions And that's good enough for me. We will walk upon ol' Bifrost Tell ol' Heimdall that we're not lost Ask Odin what the runes cost And hit Loki with a pie! I hear Valkyries a-comin' In the air their song is comin' They forgot the words! They're hummin'! But they're good enough for me! Do you see the great God Tyr? He's the one with that huge spear, And with Fenrir's tooth-marks here And I'm glad they're not in me. It was good for Thor and Odin It was good for Thor and Odin Grab an axe and get your woad on! and it's good enough for me! We will worship now with vigor The goddess known as Frigga Tho there are some who don't dig her She is good enough for me! We will sing a verse for Loki He's the old Norse god of Chaos Which is why this verse don't rhyme or scan or nothin' But it's good enough for me... All the Gods tore into Loki Saying Deicide is hokey! And they threw him in the pokey! And that's good enough for me! One-eyed Odin we will follow And in fighting we will wallow Till we wind up in Valhallow Which is good enough for me! We'll all worship mighty Odin While he's busy there decodin' All those runes he found a floatin' And it's good enough for me... Now Thor, he's armed with Mjollnir Why choose that, I've no idear He should oughta use a spear But a hammer's fine by me. We will go and sing "Hosanna" To our good ol' pal, Gautama, He will never flim or flam ya', And that's good enough for me! Clap one hand if you love the Buddha It will put ya in the mood ta Set off for Nirvana And that's good enough for me! To the tune of Handel's "Largo" We will hymn the gods of Cargo 'Til they slap on an embargo And that's good enough for me! Say the Baptists, "We're the only We're the one church that's not phony If you give us all your money Then to Heaven you shall go! Tho J.C.'s into fish, too, He's an avatar of Vishnu So he is welcome here, too, And that's good enough for me! All the Christians pray to Jesus Every Sunday on their kneeses Then they do just what they pleases For the rest of every week. Oh the Christians worship Jesus But their sermons sure don't please us It's a Sin each time ya sneezes That ain't good enough for me! Oh my name is Torquemada I burn Luth'rans in Granada It's all for the Holy Fadda And it's good enough for me! Let us worship this Jehovah All you other gods move ovah Cause the One God's taking over That sounds awful dull to me! Well you can worship Jesus Go ahead and pray to Jesus But I tell you, he don't please us Just leave my Gods to me! It was good enough for Jesus Though Paul's doctrine doesn't please us We prefer a faith that frees us And that's good enough for me To Prometheus let us hark In bringing fire, he made his mark Or we'd be dancing in the dark And that's not good enough for me! It was good for lovely Artemis Who'd like to get to the heart of us She's glad to be a part of us And she's good enough for me! We will go and worship Vesta For her cooking is the best-a All the food at the fiesta Which is good enough for me! Let us sing to Mother Hera, Papa Zeus had best beware-a, 'Cause his wife's a holy terror That's good enough for me. We will worship old Apollo He's got others beat all hollow Let him lead and we will follow And that's good enough for me! We're not crazy over Aries For his men give us the scaries And they kill like Christ's and Mary's Which ain't good enough for me! At Troy nobody was mean-a That the Great Goddess Athena Mopped them up with Ajax clean-a And that's good enough for me! We will sing for great Diana Who will teach of love and honor But you really gotta wanna! 'Cause she's tough enough for me! If you have the itchy-squirmies Then you better pray to Hermes He will cure you of your germies And he's good enough for me! Oh I'm following the Tao Here and there and then and now But I cannot tell you how And it's good enough for me! Oh the Welsh gods, -you- announce 'em Asking my gods to renounce 'em But our gods, I can't pronounce 'em Being tongue-tied's not for me! I will worship the god Aton Yes the good old sun-god Aton Tho he's nearly been forgotton He's good enough for me! Let us worship Lady Isis For her virtues and her vices Of the Gods she is the nices' And that's good enough for me! Bumper stickers of all sizes At quite reasonable prices They say 'ankh' if you love Isis And that's good enough for me! We will bow down to Osiris At the blooming of the Iris And he'll save us from the virus Which is good enough for me! We will sing a song of Ra He's the god without a flaw If his humour's rather raw, Still he's good enough for me! We will pray to Ra and Ammon Just like Tutankhamen, And teach our friends embalmin', They're good enough for me. We will worship Holy Ford Beta, Delta, Gamma, Lord But the Alphas might get bored A Brave New World for you and me! [Bill M, a tribute to that mass of misscanned text on your site which you still have not corrected -- God as "First Cause" got rendered as "First CaR"] Let us question Deep Thought too Let us question Deep Thought too 'Cause the answer's Forty-Two! And it's good enough for me! We've decided you are naughty, If you're not of Landru's body, Though his robes get kind of shoddy, They're good enough for me! Let us celebrate Jehovah Who created us "ab ova" He'll be on tonight on "Nova" 'Cause he's good enough for me! You can worship God Adonai Be allowed few things to enjoy I'd much rather be just a goy More comfortable for me! And we'll even sing to Moses, Though his law's no bed of roses. Let him pay us what he owes us That's good enough for me. We will all bow down to Enlil We will all bow down to Enlil Pass your Cup and get a refill! With bold Gilgamesh the Brave! Oh the ancient goddess Nerthus From herself the Earth did birth us And I wonder: are we worth us? But she's good enough for me! We will go and worship Baal For he is the Lord of All In the fields and in the hall He is good enough for me! We will all bow down to Dagon A conservative old pagan He still votes for Ronald Reagan And that's good enough for me! We will all be saved by Mithras We will all be saved by Mithras Slay the Bull and play the zithras On that Resurrection Day! Oh we all will worship Mithras Because he was born at Chrith-mas And he doesn't know St. Dith-mas And that's good enough for me! Sun Moon's kids are kind of funny But they stick to him like honey He just wants their souls and money And it's good enough for him! We will worship with the Mormons 'Cause they're not like Martin Bormann Into gods they'll be re-bornin' And that's good enough for me! Let us join the Earth Spirits Let us join the Earth Spirits With the Earth they will heal us And its good enough for me! Some folks worship the Kachinas Some folks worship the Kachinas They look like "deus ex machinas" But they're good enough for me! Thanks to great Quetzacoatl And his sacred axolotl And his gift of chocolatl And please pass some down to me! Let us worship like the Quakers (silent) (silent) It's good enough for me. There are those who worship science And some would send 'em to the lions Without 'em we'd have no appliance So they're good enough for me Ameratsu brought the light in And love's bonds began to tighten The whole world began to brighten And that's good enough for me! If you come to practice Shinto Make sure you know what they are into You must praise each rock and lean-to But they're good enough for me! WICCAN CHORUS: Gimme that real old time religion Gimme that real old time religion Don't gimme no new affliction It's good enough for me... Let us worship mighty Gaea Listen to what she has to say-a She'll say, "take your trash away-a" And that's good enough for me! After converts we're not chasing And their money we're not fleecing Still our numbers are increasing And that's good enough for me! In the face of Inquisition We maintained an Opposition And preserved the Old Tradition And that's good enough for me! When the blizzard is a-whirling And the Yule log is a-burning And the Sun God is returning It is good enough for me! Come and join the celebration Pour the Goddess a libation You don't need initiation And that's good enough for me! Those Evangelists all say They possess the one true way I'll take Wicca any day And that's good enough for me! Through the endless night we shiver Flames around the Yule log quiver As we sing to praise the Giver Of the Sun on Solistice morn! Pagans gather in the clearing For the end of Winter's nearing And the Maiden is appearing Bringing promises of Spring! All the apple trees wassail As we heft the flowing pail A good cider mixed with ale And that's good enough for me! We're all children of the Goddess We're all children of the Goddess She always fed and shod us She is good to you and me! Give thanks to the Earth our Mother Give thanks to the Earth our Mother She'll care for us like no other And she's good enough for me! I will keep the Maypole rites Coupling in the fields all night Just to keep the crops from blight And that's good enough for me! I will keep the Yule For to bring the year's renewal Keep the kiddies home from school And that's good enough for me Perfect love and perfect trust We shall rise up from the dust And become the upper crust And that's good enough for me! When the red-necks say we're sinning I don't care, 'cause we are winning And this is only the beginning And that's good enough for me! Our Familiar is black With a white stripe down his back When his tail goes up, make tracks, 'Cause it ain't perfumery! Our Bard is macrophonic And he thinks he's so harmonic But he's more like cacophonic And he plays a mile off-key! When I first became a pagan It was daring and outragin' Now my Circle's started agin' But they're good enough for me! We will worship Frey and Freya Yao and Vesta, Lugh and Gaia Any more? Perun! and Maia! That's still not enough for me! I pray to Ahura-Mazda He's one god who sure won't pause ta Pound some heads when given cause ta Which is good enough for me! It was good enough for Larry It was good enough for Moe It was good enough for Curly Please don't poke me in the eye! If you want to start religions, If you want to start religions, You'll need temples, you'll need pigeons, And that's good enough for me. We will all read Joseph Campbell Who made order out of shambles Tho he sometimes kinda rambles He's good enough for me! THE OBLIGATORY LAST VERSE(S) If you think these verses floor us Then go write another chorus Just as long as you don't bore us Then it's good enough for me! It's the opera written for us! We will all join in the chorus! It's the opera about Boris, Which is Godunov for me! THE FINAL WORD We will bow down to John Boardman Tho he's not a master swordsman Verses of this song he hoards, man And he's good enough for me! Joe Bethancourt's a swordsman And he also is a Hordesman And he'll sing 'til he gets bored, man And he's good enough for me! Give a rest to old religion, If only just a smidgen. It's really not my pidgin, Though it's good enough for you! If you want a new edition Let its writing be -your- mission! As for me, I'm goin' fishin'! Or I'll go and watch TV! (quoting directly from the web site) THE ORIGINS OF "REAL OTR": John Boardman, the East Coast collector of this song, says in _ANAKREON_ #8 (1 Nov., 1980): "So far, two different stories have come in of how "That Real Old Time Religion" originated. Robin R. Arnhold writes that "Lady Cybele" started it a decade or more ago, and says that (five of the early verses) are of her composition, with a chorus of "Give Me That Old Craft Religion." 'The first exposure to people other than Madison-area pagans came when Lady Cybele sang some of her songs in informal sessions at the Gnostica festivals in the early 1970's.' " "But Allison Harlow claims that 'Victor Anderson, the blind shaman of San Leandro...first began singing these verses; we taught the idea to NROOGD and _Nemeton_, whence it caught on in the Mid-West...and finally reached the East Coast.'" John writes further in _ANAKREON_ #12 (1 Nov. 1981): "Rus (Gulevitch) has a resolution of the situation presented in _ANAKREON_ #8, in which two different stories of the origin of "That Real Old Time Religion" were presented:" " 'I've heard about Cybele being the originator of OTR, too,' he wrote, 'But I also heard that several covens (who had no contact with each other) got the same idea at different times, and Cybele is but the one who first made it more or less public. Such things happen often enough.' " To which I (Joe Bethancourt) can only add that I heard it in the early 1970's and have been collecting, and enjoying it ever since. It's gotten into the oral tradition in Science-Fiction Fandom, a little into the SCA, and is being sung in the folkie community quite a bit too.....which means we can -never- collect -all- the verses .... it's a -living- traditional song. ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 09-Oct-00 17:39:45 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out that if Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend so much time angry about it?<< You just don't get it, do you, Bill M? It is not Jesus himself that Mark hates, but rather what those who call themselves his followers do, have done, and intend to do. Whether Jesus was a fake or not really doesn't matter; it's what Christians do that matters. And Mark doesn't like most of what he sees being done. Especially if your own witness is any indication. I wish that Steve Schimmrich's site weren't closed for renovation so that I could get this quote and its source: "Christians are the best case that can be made against Christianity" (quoted here from memory). And before you shoot your mouth off from the hip, Steve is an evangelical Christian. He is talking about his treatment at the hands of fellow Christians, YECs who have viciously attacked him for not being a YEC and for pointing out glaring factual errors in YEC teachings (he had just finished all the work on his PhD Geology, last I heard). Another staunch Christian from the CompuServe Religion Forum made an interesting point: in terms of personal lives and society, it really doesn't matter whether the claims of Christianity are true or not; it only matters that we BELIEVE that they are true. Now, most of what this guy would say seemed off-the-wall; he was a retired mathematician who claimed to have invented Gray Code, but could no longer work since his stroke. But this one made sense! If somebody believes that something is true, he will then act according to that belief completely independent of whether it really is true or not. And if the entire society believes it to be true, then that belief will have a profound impact on that society and culture, again regardless of whether it is actually true or not. Has Christianity had a profound effect on Western societies, cultures, and history? Yes it has indeed. Does that mean that Christianity is true? No, it only means that Western societies believed it to be true. Has Christianity's profound effect been beneficial or detrimental? Well, that is clearly a matter for much discussion and disagreement. Which is what your disagreement with Mark is really about here: he believes that its effect is detrimental while you believe it to be beneficial. Though I would add that that will only work if the believer is not presented with compelling evidence that that belief is not true. That is the danger which creation science presents to believers. If you get somebody to really believe that creation science is true and that his faith directly depends on it being true, then his faith will be jeopardized when he discovers that creation science is not true. Like Glenn R. Morton's creation-science-trained geologists when they were faced with the rock-hard facts that geologists deal with in the field daily. Like too many other Christians who have suffered severe crises of faith so unnecessarily. ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 09-Oct-00 17:40:47 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of friendship!<< Bill M, a friend does not tell slanderous lies about his friend and then refuse to support those lies in any manner while obstructing all attempts by his friend to resolve the matter. That is not what a friend does. Bill M, don't you remember what your grandmother had told you? That to be loved you must be lovable? If you really want friendship, then why do you repeatedly take actions to make yourself hated and despised? That doesn't make any sense, unless your talk of friendship is insincere, meant only for show in order to mask your true feelings and intentions. If you really wanted to offer a "token of friendship", then you would cease your stubborn obstruction of our investigation and substantiate your accusations against me by telling us what you believe I had written. This is the THIRTY-FIRST time I am requesting that information! Bill B, if you do wish to offer a token of friendship, then you would try to impress upon your friend, Bill M, the importance of serving truth (which most Christians claim to do, including Bill M, but which neither of you two show any inclination to actually do) and urge him to provide the information that we need to resolve this matter. In the meantime, Bill M and Bill B, do please bear in mind that you have been witnessing all this time. Do I need to describe to you what your witness tells us about Christians? ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 09-Oct-00 17:42:22 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard haircut. Is that acceptable?<< So, behind your persistent overtures of friendship lies your true ulterior motives to pull dirty tricks to pull on us and to humiliate us. You strive to gain our trust, just so you can betray that trust. Thank you for your Christian witness. And you wonder why the popularity of Christians is so low (or at least the conservative Christian propaganda machinery keeps complaining that it is). That Trojan-Horse proverb should be changed to: "Beware of Christians professing friendship." I am also reminded of what the Bible says about wolves in sheep's clothing. Which then reminds me of a speaker drawing several parallels between the Pharisees, as depicted in the New Testament, and the Fundamentalists of today. BTW, Moe and Joe were Howards and brothers. Larry was a Fine. [heard over the PA system in one of their hospital routines: "Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard"] You should watch Biography more often. Trivia Question: Why did Larry Fine's parents have him learn the violin? True War Story: When I was sent to NCO Leadership School at Keesler AFB, my roommate met up again with a buddy from when they were stationed in Germany. They were both Stooges fans and, because they couldn't watch any Stooges over there, they used to play through the routines themselves. As I watched them reminisce and run through some routines, this big sergeant (same rank as us) came over and just quietly watched for a while. Then he opened his wallet and pulled out his Official Three Stooges Fan Club card. For the next two weeks, not only did I have all three of them re-enacting Stooges routines all the time, but the local TV station played a 15-minute Stooges program every morning before we went to class. Mandatory viewing. [One short I hadn't seen before: The three try to sneak into the race track for free by posing as members of the press, to which end they steal knobs from the restroom to use as press buttons -- "Press" "Press" "Pull -- nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"] PS Your diabolical plot would not have worked. My hair is too short. PPS We also have hair clippers. My wife used it to keep my hair trimmed when I was on active duty ("when I was in the war" in Air-Force-speak). Before that, I used to do my own hair with scissors and a razor comb. Trimming my beard with scissors was no problem, except for when I nearly snipped my ear-lobe off. ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 09-Oct-00 17:43:33 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>How can you use the word "evil" if you don't believe in God? How can "evil" exist in your world of no higher meaning or morality, just the cold vacuum of space?<< Because evil does exist, as does good, as part of the human condition. As does morality. You don't need to rely on the supernatural to explain their existence. I do realize that this is contrary to your theology. I realize that your theology teaches that morality cannot exist without your god. Yet morality does exist in all cultures regardless of belief in your god or lack thereof. It serves a very real and vital purpose, not just some abstract one. Have you thought your theology through on the matter of morality? What is that theology's effect on someone who stops believing in your god? The fundamentalist teaching that I have heard on this is that without your god there is no reason for anyone to act morally. You yourself echoed this with your question above. I have heard and read the testimonies of several former Christians who became atheists, most often because they had discovered that their religion and/or religious leaders had been lying to them or had betrayed them in some other way (whether the lie or betrayal was real is immaterial; all that matters it that the individual believed that it had happened). They had been raised on the belief that without God, there is no reason to behave morally. What would the consequences be? Now also consider that several YEC Christians have suffered severe crises of faith when they discovered that the creation science claims they had been basing their faith on are false. Some became atheists, some remained Christians, but none of them remained YECs. ################################################ Subj: Re: Was Undeliverable Date: 09-Oct-00 17:44:35 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1 >>A neutral third party would be someone neither of you knew and one who did not believe in God or atheism.<< I fully agree with the first part, though it would be more important that that neutral third party knew neither of us. That is one of the reasons why in jury selection the first part of the elimination process is based on whether you know anyone involved in the case, even the lawyers. Also, I believe that the second part is too stringent. Personal theology or ideology should have little bearing on one's neutrality in this matter, just so long as they would not subvert the truth because of that theology or ideology. Apparently, you still believe that this matter is one of Christian versus atheist, of the Christian world-view versus the atheist world-view. That is simply not true, as I have been trying to tell you all along. This matter is one of determining the truth of what has actually been written between two parties, Bill Morgan and myself. It has nothing to do our differing world-views. It does have to do with Bill M having made certain accusations against me and my character. Accusations which I have presented to you before. Accusations that I had written certain things. Things of which I have no personal knowledge of ever having written. It has everything to do with examining the actual messages that were written. It has everything to do with getting Bill M to state what he believes I had written so that we can identify the messages upon which he is basing his accusations. It has everything to do with examining those messages in order to see what was actually written. Only by doing that can we determine whether there is any truth in Bill Morgan's accusations. Only then can this matter be resolved. Only then can any misunderstandings be cleared up and the appropriate apologies be made. It has everything to do with Bill Morgan refusing to provide that information which we need to resolve this matter. It has everything to do with my having requested that information from Bill M more than 30 times in the past 10 weeks. It has everything to do with Bill responding to each and every one of those requests by either completely ignoring it, merely repeating the unsubstantiated accusation, or trying to change the subject (an act which he calls "rabbit trails", instructs his followers to not allow their opponent to use it, and yet uses it himself all the time). It has everything to do with Bill Morgan preventing us from resolving this matter. The neutral third party of which we speak would need to get Bill Morgan to substantiate his accusations and to describe the offending statements in sufficient enough detail to identify the actual messages in which those offending statements were supposed to have been made. Then that neutral third party would need to see to it that the messages in question be retrieved and examined (no problem, since I have made them freely available at http://chiefwise.tripod.com/morgan/transcript.html for the past seven weeks). Then that neutral third party would need to determine from that examination whether Bill M's accusations have any grounds. Then that neutral third party would need to see that the two parties involved, Bill Morgan and myself, do the honorable and the right thing. So where and how do we find one or more of these neutral third parties? PS From your expressed perception of the dichotomy, "... and one who did not believe in God or atheism.", it appears that you believe that the creation/evolution issue is one of "God vs atheism". It is not. Apparently, you do not realize that there are far more people who "believe in God" than there are who believe that their theology depends absolutely on creation science being true. Some of the most effective debators against creation science are practicing, believing Christians who have called themselves "creationists", eg Ken Miller. For example, I have just been contacted by a fundamentalist Christian who is very much concerned about the scientific inaccuracies of the creation science he is being taught at church and even more concerned about his classmates' total lack on interest in seeing those inaccuracies corrected. I believe that I understand what is happening there (basically, most creationists are interested in their claims sounding convincing and do not care what their logical consequences are or even whether they are true; one of the worst things you can do to a creationist is to try to discuss his claims with him). I am preparing my response to him, in which I will try to help him understand what is happening in such a way as to keep him from going through a crisis of faith. ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 09-Oct-00 17:46:14 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net >>You insulted my wife's faith in Christ and gave that as your reaosn for not going to Denny's.<< No, I did not! If you truly believe that I did, then tell me WHAT I had said so that I can find the actual message that you think you are talking about. Stop simply repeating your accusations and SUBSTANTIATE THEM! Repeat what you think you remember my wording to have been! Tell me as many of those "very nasty names" you accuse me of having called you! This is the THIRTY-THIRD TIME that I am asking you for this information! You cannot escape the truth, so stop trying to run away from it! >>mr Wise.....give me your best explanation for the origin of life.<< So you're back to trying to create your damnable "rabbit trails" again! Stop it! The correct response to your request is: I will answer that later, but first I want an answer to my questions which you have never answered. If you have a problem with that response, then please explain what that problem is. In case you do not recognize it, it is from your very own teachings on dealing with somebody trying to use the dishonest "rabbit trails" tactic. The answers that I am waiting for from you include those from over 80 questions that you had not answered in our previous correspondence, as well as a few more: 1. Most pressing is the question of what you are accusing me of having written. I cannot and will not accept the mere repeating of the accusations. We must be able to use your answer to identify the actual messages in question. You MUST give the actual insults and actual "very nasty names" to the very best of your ability to remember. You MUST describe in detail the "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" that I am supposed to have conducted. You MUST describe in detail my alleged statement that I thought you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". You MUST describe in detail my alleged statement that I thought you are "wacked for beleiving in God". You MUST describe in detail the insults I allegedly used in "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." You MUST describe in detail the words I allegedly used in "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]." You MUST describe in detail what words were used when my wife and I had allegedly labelled you and your wife as evil. You MUST repeat the specific "very nasty names" that you accuse me of having called you. This should be very easy for you to remember. Tell me, was one of them a two-syllable, seven-letter word which also means "rectum"? You MUST describe in detail the words I allegedly used when I had allegedly told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". You MUST describe in detail my alleged statement that I thought your and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". You MUST describe in detail my alleged statement that I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. You MUST describe in detail the words I allegedly used when I had allegedly sent electronically "many nasty words that were anti religious". I was going to go easy on you and not bump the count, but forget that! You do not deserve any leniency! This is the THIRTY-FOURTH TIME that I am asking you for this information! 2. On 19 Aug 2000, you stated: >I strongly disagree with [DWise1's] position, I have challenged and attacked his position, I feel it is a weak position, but I gladly leave the personal attacks out of it.<< I immediately responded: >Excuse me, Bill, but when have you ever "challenged and attacked [my] position"? I cannot remember you ever doing any such thing in our entire correspondence. Instead, you have a long and consistent history of avoiding discussion by either laying down "rabbit trails" or by running away from the topic. "For that matter, Bill, with all due respect, I do not believe that you even know what my position is, even though I have presented it to you more than once. And if you do not know what my position is, then how could you consider it to be weak? And how could you challenge something that you know nothing about? Let alone attack it? Could you please tell us all here what my position is? Then could you please tell us all here, briefly, why you "strongly disagree with [it]"? Then could you please tell us all here, briefly, why you "feel it is a weak position"? Then could you please tell us all here how you "have challenged and attacked [it]"? Curious minds want to know.<< Bill M, you never answered that question. I do believe that it is a very fair and pertinent question and one which you should be quite able to answer. It is pertinent because you have demonstrated an inability to follow what is going on. I personally believe that you have no idea what my position is, even though I have described several times and that you are attributing to me some distorted fantasy of your own making. For that matter, my questions to you are very different from your questions to me. My questions to you are meant to be answerable (ie, there is a definite answer and it should be well within your capabilities to provide that answer), their purpose is to obtain needed or desired information, and I do expect an answer. In contrast, your questions to me are meant to be UNanswerable (ie, there is no definite answer and it is beyond the capabilities of anybody to provide the answer), their purpose has nothing whatsoever to do with obtaining information but rather to undermine your opponent's position and prepare him for proselytizing or discredit him in public or scare him off, and you do not really expect to get an answer. I know for a fact that you do not really expect to get an answer, because I have answered your other "unanswerable" questions to which your response was to drop the whole subject; for a reminder and for Bill B's edification, see my "BILL MORGAN'S "UNANSWERABLE" QUESTIONS" page at http://me mbers.aol.com/billyjack6/bills_questions.html . I'm waiting for your answers, Bill M. You keep saying that you want to please me. Well, answering my questions is the way for you to please me. ################################################ Subj: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: 09-Oct-00 17:47:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife. Now he has insulted your good name and family. Comments?<< I'm sorry to have to tell you this, Bill B, but Bill M is lying to you yet again. Here is what he said: >I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said he did not want dinner because of our faith.<< First, I did NOT "[trash his] wife for being Christian". The very worst thing I have ever said about his wife is that she is human and capable of learning. That is it. Second, I did NOT "[say I] did not want dinner because of [their] faith." I would never say such a thing. I gave Bill Morgan a very descriptive list of why I would not have dinner with him and why I must absolutely refuse to meet with him personally. His faith was not on the list. BTW, one major factor that makes it impossible for Bill M and me to meet personally and which I have explicitly told him is the need to keep a written record of exactly what was said. You have witnessed it too, where Bill M's version of what happened is very different from what actually happened, often the exact opposite. Sometimes he comes up with stuff that had never happened! The only defense we have against Bill's imaginative revisions of reality is the written record of what had actually been said. In a personal or verbal meeting (eg, over the phone), there would be no written record and it would be impossible to defend against Bill M's creative revisions. Therefore, until such a time as Bill M can get a firm grip on reality and stick to the truth, I could not possibly afford the clear and present dangers of a meeting with him sans transcript. Third, Bill M has NEVER answered my requests that he substantiate his accusations. NEVER, NOT EVEN ONCE! He has done no more than to REPEAT his accusations, which are devoid of information. Even though I have REPEATEDLY explained to him that we need to know the ACTUAL WORDING of the alleged statements that he accuses me of having written, so that we can identify the messages in question and examine what they ACTUALLY say. For the same reason and with the same explanation, I have REPEATEDLY asked Bill M for the "very nasty names" that he accuses me of having called him. Bill Morgan REFUSES to answer and has steadfastly refused to answer for TEN WEEKS. And by telling you that he has "answered [me] 30 times", Bill Morgan is lying through his teeth. He KNOWS what information we need from him and he will do anything he can to prevent us from getting that information, including lying to his own friend. Fourth, just where did Bill get that figure of "30 times"? He's always whining that he doesn't keep any copies of his correspondence (even though since 21 August 2000 he has had a complete copy of our correspondence). I have kept a copy and I did a count of how many times I have asked for information that substantiates his accusations. I know that I have asked for that information for AT LEAST 30 times (I could have missed some in that tally, plus I have asked for it a few more times since this message to which I am replying was posted). Bill B, why don't you ask Bill M just how he came up with that count of "30 times"? Bill Morgan has never, ever answered my question, most certainly NOT "30 times". Most of the time he just ignores it. The rest of the time he either simply repeats the accusation or he tries yet another "rabbit trails" ploy. Without going through a rigourous count, I would say that Bill has repeated his accusation maybe about a dozen times. Fifteen times would be pushing it. But certainly it has not been any "30 times". Bill M is just lying to you again. Bill B, here again are the main accusations that Bill Morgan has made against me. BTW, Bill M has verified that these are the accusations that he made: 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" 2. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". 3. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." 5. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. 6. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. 7. Calling him "very nasty names." 8. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". 9. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". 10. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. 11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words that were anti religious". Bill B, for most of these accusations I have absolutely no idea what Bill M is talking about or where he got those ideas from. For a few of them, I suspect that I know which messages are involved, but they do not say what Bill accuses them of saying. But I cannot take any action in the latter cases until Bill allows me to make a positive identification and provides me with his interpretation for comparison. You yourself have witnessed Bill M misunderstanding a message and jumping to a wildly false conclusion and making a false accusation against me. You witnessed him falsely accusing me of calling him a "pervert", whereas I was warning him that his actions on-line fit the profile of Internet sexual predators and that he should change his actions in order to prevent being falsely labelled as a pervert. You witnessed him falsely accusing me of calling him an "idiot", whereas I was actually telling him I know that he is NOT an idiot, yet he keeps ACTING like an idiot, which makes it impossible to deal with him. In both case, when confronted with the facts, with the actual text, Bill Morgan's response was to drop the matter altogether, which is his usual response when he can no longer avoid the fact that he was dead wrong. BTW, every time that Bill Morgan believed that he had gotten the better of me, he would go into this kind of verbal dance for joy, all the while mocking me and verbally thumbing his nose at me. You will notice that he is not doing that. He knows that I am right to demand that he substantiate his accusations against me and he does not want to. I believe that he realizes that his accusations against me are groundless and false and he will do anything he can to avoid having to face that truth. Here yet again is what Bill Morgan needs to do. He needs to provide us with sufficiently detailed descriptions of the insults and "very nasty names" and other statements that he is accusing me of having written. That description must be detailed enough to identify the actual messages that he claims he is drawing these accusations from. We need to identify those messages so that we can examine the facts of the matter. We need to examine what those messages ACTUALLY say in order to determine whether Bill Morgan's accusations are warranted. Only in this way can we arrive at the truth of the matter. Please note that Bill Morgan has been working diligently for the past TEN WEEKS to prevent us from examining the facts, whereas *I* have been working diligently for that same period of time to PERMIT us TO examine the facts. I want us to arrive at the truth, whereas Bill Morgan is preventing us from arriving at the truth. That right there should tell you a lot about the situation. ################################################ Subj: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: 09-Oct-00 22:33:56 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1@aol.com Did you really expect anything else from these 'religious' guys? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>I envision giving Mark a Moe-Howard haircut and David a Larry-Howard haircut. Is that acceptable?<< So, behind your persistent overtures of friendship lies your true ulterior motives to pull dirty tricks to pull on us and to humiliate us. You strive to gain our trust, just so you can betray that trust. Thank you for your Christian witness. And you wonder why the popularity of Christians is so low (or at least the conservative Christian propaganda machinery keeps complaining that it is). That Trojan-Horse proverb should be changed to: "Beware of Christians professing friendship." I am also reminded of what the Bible says about wolves in sheep's clothing. Which then reminds me of a speaker drawing several parallels between the Pharisees, as depicted in the New Testament, and the Fundamentalists of today. BTW, Moe and Joe were Howards and brothers. Larry was a Fine. [heard over the PA system in one of their hospital routines: "Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard"] You should watch Biography more often. Trivia Question: Why did Larry Fine's parents have him learn the violin? True War Story: When I was sent to NCO Leadership School at Keesler AFB, my roommate met up again with a buddy from when they were stationed in Germany. They were both Stooges fans and, because they couldn't watch any Stooges over there, they used to play through the routines themselves. As I watched them reminisce and run through some routines, this big sergeant (same rank as us) came over and just quietly watched for a while. Then he opened his wallet and pulled out his Official Three Stooges Fan Club card. For the next two weeks, not only did I have all three of them re-enacting Stooges routines all the time, but the local TV station played a 15-minute Stooges program every morning before we went to class. Mandatory viewing. [One short I hadn't seen before: The three try to sneak into the race track for free by posing as members of the press, to which end they steal knobs from the restroom to use as press buttons -- "Press" "Press" "Pull -- nyuk, nyuk, nyuk"] PS Your diabolical plot would not have worked. My hair is too short. PPS We also have hair clippers. My wife used it to keep my hair trimmed when I was on active duty ("when I was in the war" in Air-Force-speak). Before that, I used to do my own hair with scissors and a razor comb. Trimming my beard with scissors was no problem, except for when I nearly snipped my ear-lobe off. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:33:56 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:33:29 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA36284; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:33:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <015e01c0327b$dc45c4e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: , References: <4b.1dbc863.2713bfee@aol.com> Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:35:10 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: 09-Oct-00 22:37:38 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net , you wrote: "You just don't get it, do you, Bill M? It is not Jesus himself that Mark hates, but rather what those who call themselves his followers do, have done, and intend to do. Whether Jesus was a fake or not really doesn't matter; it's what Christians do that matters. And Mark doesn't like most of what he sees being done. Especially if your own witness is any indication. "I wish that Steve Schimmrich's site weren't closed for renovation so that I could get this quote and its source: 'Christians are the best case that can be made against Christianity' (quoted here from memory). And before you shoot your mouth off from the hip, Steve is an evangelical Christian. He is talking about his treatment at the hands of fellow Christians, YECs who have viciously attacked him for not being a YEC and for pointing out glaring factual errors in YEC teachings (he had just finished all the work on his PhD Geology, last I heard)." That first paragraph was an excellent summary of my beliefs. The second paragraph was interesting as well. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:37:37 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:37:24 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA36603; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:37:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <016801c0327c$6a7415a0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:39:08 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: 09-Oct-00 22:44:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Well put.... There's soooo many good points that to mention only a few would be a disgrace. = ) Christians hate it when you point out the connections between their myth and Paganism. Many Christians do not realize that Christianity was in competition with Paganism many, many years ago, which explains their close similarities -- if you get what I mean. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you >>I am so happy to hear that at lease you used to celebrate the birth of our Savior, jesus christ!<< What are you talking about? Oh, you mean Saturnalia and Sol Invictus? It's the celebration of the Winter Solstice which got taken over by some young upstart cult you may have heard of. Almost every Christmas symbol and custom was taken from pagan traditions. The Christmas tree, yule log, wassal, holly and misteltoe (the Resurrection God, Baldar, was killed by the misteltoe), Santa Claus (AKA "Wotan"), etc. Even the story of the Nativity seems to have been lifted from the pagan traditions. All good old-fashioned Pagan traditions, absorbed and assimilated by the Christians. Actually, it's quite interesting how early Christianity absorbed and assimilated the indiginous pagan religions as it spread. They did it again when they conquered the New World. I wonder if Roddenberry (or Bergman -- I'm not sure who was in charge at that point) had those earlier Christian missionaries in mind when he came up with the Borg. Here's an interesting trivia question. The date of Christmas is based on the date of the Winter Solstice. But if the Winter Solstice is on the 21st, then why is Christmas on the 25th? There's nothing esoteric nor biblical about the answer. >>Give me that old time religion!<< Oh, I love that song! I'd like to share with you an extremely few of the well-over 800 verses. Most of the rest of the verses can be found at "The Official, Accept no Cheap Substitutes, Real Old Time Religion Page" at http://www.locksley.com/vintage/realotr.htm : (Chorus): Give me that real old time religion (3X) It's good enough for me! AGNOSTIC/ATHEIST CHORUS: Gimme NO kind-a religion Gimme NO kind-a religion Gimme NO kind-a religion It simply ain't for me! Lots of folks are into God And I've often thought it odd Do they love Him for His bod'? Or is it ideology? I don't care about Jehover Soon his office term is over I would sooner worship Rover 'Cause he's good enough for me! [Bill M, I included this one in honor of the recent "What's 'dog' spelled backwards?" subject line] It's the Fundie Right's solution To put Christian absolution In the U.S. Constitution And that don't sit well with me! Jehovah's fine transcendence And the Church's great resplendence Pushing guilt and co-dependence Ain't good enough for me! Let us all worship Reason Cause it never goes out of season And only it makes good predictions And that's good enough for me. We will walk upon ol' Bifrost Tell ol' Heimdall that we're not lost Ask Odin what the runes cost And hit Loki with a pie! I hear Valkyries a-comin' In the air their song is comin' They forgot the words! They're hummin'! But they're good enough for me! Do you see the great God Tyr? He's the one with that huge spear, And with Fenrir's tooth-marks here And I'm glad they're not in me. It was good for Thor and Odin It was good for Thor and Odin Grab an axe and get your woad on! and it's good enough for me! We will worship now with vigor The goddess known as Frigga Tho there are some who don't dig her She is good enough for me! We will sing a verse for Loki He's the old Norse god of Chaos Which is why this verse don't rhyme or scan or nothin' But it's good enough for me... All the Gods tore into Loki Saying Deicide is hokey! And they threw him in the pokey! And that's good enough for me! One-eyed Odin we will follow And in fighting we will wallow Till we wind up in Valhallow Which is good enough for me! We'll all worship mighty Odin While he's busy there decodin' All those runes he found a floatin' And it's good enough for me... Now Thor, he's armed with Mjollnir Why choose that, I've no idear He should oughta use a spear But a hammer's fine by me. We will go and sing "Hosanna" To our good ol' pal, Gautama, He will never flim or flam ya', And that's good enough for me! Clap one hand if you love the Buddha It will put ya in the mood ta Set off for Nirvana And that's good enough for me! To the tune of Handel's "Largo" We will hymn the gods of Cargo 'Til they slap on an embargo And that's good enough for me! Say the Baptists, "We're the only We're the one church that's not phony If you give us all your money Then to Heaven you shall go! Tho J.C.'s into fish, too, He's an avatar of Vishnu So he is welcome here, too, And that's good enough for me! All the Christians pray to Jesus Every Sunday on their kneeses Then they do just what they pleases For the rest of every week. Oh the Christians worship Jesus But their sermons sure don't please us It's a Sin each time ya sneezes That ain't good enough for me! Oh my name is Torquemada I burn Luth'rans in Granada It's all for the Holy Fadda And it's good enough for me! Let us worship this Jehovah All you other gods move ovah Cause the One God's taking over That sounds awful dull to me! Well you can worship Jesus Go ahead and pray to Jesus But I tell you, he don't please us Just leave my Gods to me! It was good enough for Jesus Though Paul's doctrine doesn't please us We prefer a faith that frees us And that's good enough for me To Prometheus let us hark In bringing fire, he made his mark Or we'd be dancing in the dark And that's not good enough for me! It was good for lovely Artemis Who'd like to get to the heart of us She's glad to be a part of us And she's good enough for me! We will go and worship Vesta For her cooking is the best-a All the food at the fiesta Which is good enough for me! Let us sing to Mother Hera, Papa Zeus had best beware-a, 'Cause his wife's a holy terror That's good enough for me. We will worship old Apollo He's got others beat all hollow Let him lead and we will follow And that's good enough for me! We're not crazy over Aries For his men give us the scaries And they kill like Christ's and Mary's Which ain't good enough for me! At Troy nobody was mean-a That the Great Goddess Athena Mopped them up with Ajax clean-a And that's good enough for me! We will sing for great Diana Who will teach of love and honor But you really gotta wanna! 'Cause she's tough enough for me! If you have the itchy-squirmies Then you better pray to Hermes He will cure you of your germies And he's good enough for me! Oh I'm following the Tao Here and there and then and now But I cannot tell you how And it's good enough for me! Oh the Welsh gods, -you- announce 'em Asking my gods to renounce 'em But our gods, I can't pronounce 'em Being tongue-tied's not for me! I will worship the god Aton Yes the good old sun-god Aton Tho he's nearly been forgotton He's good enough for me! Let us worship Lady Isis For her virtues and her vices Of the Gods she is the nices' And that's good enough for me! Bumper stickers of all sizes At quite reasonable prices They say 'ankh' if you love Isis And that's good enough for me! We will bow down to Osiris At the blooming of the Iris And he'll save us from the virus Which is good enough for me! We will sing a song of Ra He's the god without a flaw If his humour's rather raw, Still he's good enough for me! We will pray to Ra and Ammon Just like Tutankhamen, And teach our friends embalmin', They're good enough for me. We will worship Holy Ford Beta, Delta, Gamma, Lord But the Alphas might get bored A Brave New World for you and me! [Bill M, a tribute to that mass of misscanned text on your site which you still have not corrected -- God as "First Cause" got rendered as "First CaR"] Let us question Deep Thought too Let us question Deep Thought too 'Cause the answer's Forty-Two! And it's good enough for me! We've decided you are naughty, If you're not of Landru's body, Though his robes get kind of shoddy, They're good enough for me! Let us celebrate Jehovah Who created us "ab ova" He'll be on tonight on "Nova" 'Cause he's good enough for me! You can worship God Adonai Be allowed few things to enjoy I'd much rather be just a goy More comfortable for me! And we'll even sing to Moses, Though his law's no bed of roses. Let him pay us what he owes us That's good enough for me. We will all bow down to Enlil We will all bow down to Enlil Pass your Cup and get a refill! With bold Gilgamesh the Brave! Oh the ancient goddess Nerthus From herself the Earth did birth us And I wonder: are we worth us? But she's good enough for me! We will go and worship Baal For he is the Lord of All In the fields and in the hall He is good enough for me! We will all bow down to Dagon A conservative old pagan He still votes for Ronald Reagan And that's good enough for me! We will all be saved by Mithras We will all be saved by Mithras Slay the Bull and play the zithras On that Resurrection Day! Oh we all will worship Mithras Because he was born at Chrith-mas And he doesn't know St. Dith-mas And that's good enough for me! Sun Moon's kids are kind of funny But they stick to him like honey He just wants their souls and money And it's good enough for him! We will worship with the Mormons 'Cause they're not like Martin Bormann Into gods they'll be re-bornin' And that's good enough for me! Let us join the Earth Spirits Let us join the Earth Spirits With the Earth they will heal us And its good enough for me! Some folks worship the Kachinas Some folks worship the Kachinas They look like "deus ex machinas" But they're good enough for me! Thanks to great Quetzacoatl And his sacred axolotl And his gift of chocolatl And please pass some down to me! Let us worship like the Quakers (silent) (silent) It's good enough for me. There are those who worship science And some would send 'em to the lions Without 'em we'd have no appliance So they're good enough for me Ameratsu brought the light in And love's bonds began to tighten The whole world began to brighten And that's good enough for me! If you come to practice Shinto Make sure you know what they are into You must praise each rock and lean-to But they're good enough for me! WICCAN CHORUS: Gimme that real old time religion Gimme that real old time religion Don't gimme no new affliction It's good enough for me... Let us worship mighty Gaea Listen to what she has to say-a She'll say, "take your trash away-a" And that's good enough for me! After converts we're not chasing And their money we're not fleecing Still our numbers are increasing And that's good enough for me! In the face of Inquisition We maintained an Opposition And preserved the Old Tradition And that's good enough for me! When the blizzard is a-whirling And the Yule log is a-burning And the Sun God is returning It is good enough for me! Come and join the celebration Pour the Goddess a libation You don't need initiation And that's good enough for me! Those Evangelists all say They possess the one true way I'll take Wicca any day And that's good enough for me! Through the endless night we shiver Flames around the Yule log quiver As we sing to praise the Giver Of the Sun on Solistice morn! Pagans gather in the clearing For the end of Winter's nearing And the Maiden is appearing Bringing promises of Spring! All the apple trees wassail As we heft the flowing pail A good cider mixed with ale And that's good enough for me! We're all children of the Goddess We're all children of the Goddess She always fed and shod us She is good to you and me! Give thanks to the Earth our Mother Give thanks to the Earth our Mother She'll care for us like no other And she's good enough for me! I will keep the Maypole rites Coupling in the fields all night Just to keep the crops from blight And that's good enough for me! I will keep the Yule For to bring the year's renewal Keep the kiddies home from school And that's good enough for me Perfect love and perfect trust We shall rise up from the dust And become the upper crust And that's good enough for me! When the red-necks say we're sinning I don't care, 'cause we are winning And this is only the beginning And that's good enough for me! Our Familiar is black With a white stripe down his back When his tail goes up, make tracks, 'Cause it ain't perfumery! Our Bard is macrophonic And he thinks he's so harmonic But he's more like cacophonic And he plays a mile off-key! When I first became a pagan It was daring and outragin' Now my Circle's started agin' But they're good enough for me! We will worship Frey and Freya Yao and Vesta, Lugh and Gaia Any more? Perun! and Maia! That's still not enough for me! I pray to Ahura-Mazda He's one god who sure won't pause ta Pound some heads when given cause ta Which is good enough for me! It was good enough for Larry It was good enough for Moe It was good enough for Curly Please don't poke me in the eye! If you want to start religions, If you want to start religions, You'll need temples, you'll need pigeons, And that's good enough for me. We will all read Joseph Campbell Who made order out of shambles Tho he sometimes kinda rambles He's good enough for me! THE OBLIGATORY LAST VERSE(S) If you think these verses floor us Then go write another chorus Just as long as you don't bore us Then it's good enough for me! It's the opera written for us! We will all join in the chorus! It's the opera about Boris, Which is Godunov for me! THE FINAL WORD We will bow down to John Boardman Tho he's not a master swordsman Verses of this song he hoards, man And he's good enough for me! Joe Bethancourt's a swordsman And he also is a Hordesman And he'll sing 'til he gets bored, man And he's good enough for me! Give a rest to old religion, If only just a smidgen. It's really not my pidgin, Though it's good enough for you! If you want a new edition Let its writing be -your- mission! As for me, I'm goin' fishin'! Or I'll go and watch TV! (quoting directly from the web site) THE ORIGINS OF "REAL OTR": John Boardman, the East Coast collector of this song, says in _ANAKREON_ #8 (1 Nov., 1980): "So far, two different stories have come in of how "That Real Old Time Religion" originated. Robin R. Arnhold writes that "Lady Cybele" started it a decade or more ago, and says that (five of the early verses) are of her composition, with a chorus of "Give Me That Old Craft Religion." 'The first exposure to people other than Madison-area pagans came when Lady Cybele sang some of her songs in informal sessions at the Gnostica festivals in the early 1970's.' " "But Allison Harlow claims that 'Victor Anderson, the blind shaman of San Leandro...first began singing these verses; we taught the idea to NROOGD and _Nemeton_, whence it caught on in the Mid-West...and finally reached the East Coast.'" John writes further in _ANAKREON_ #12 (1 Nov. 1981): "Rus (Gulevitch) has a resolution of the situation presented in _ANAKREON_ #8, in which two different stories of the origin of "That Real Old Time Religion" were presented:" " 'I've heard about Cybele being the originator of OTR, too,' he wrote, 'But I also heard that several covens (who had no contact with each other) got the same idea at different times, and Cybele is but the one who first made it more or less public. Such things happen often enough.' " To which I (Joe Bethancourt) can only add that I heard it in the early 1970's and have been collecting, and enjoying it ever since. It's gotten into the oral tradition in Science-Fiction Fandom, a little into the SCA, and is being sung in the folkie community quite a bit too.....which means we can -never- collect -all- the verses .... it's a -living- traditional song. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:44:15 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:43:37 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA37079; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:43:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <016d01c0327d$470b5640$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: References: <6e.3ba01e2.2713bf08@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:45:19 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: We know for whom the Bell tolls Date: 10-Oct-00 13:11:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Lets look at theings. The Book of Galatians (5:22)says the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. The deeds of the flesh include emnitiy, strife, angry, dissention, factions and envying. I have been around a long time and have met a lot of people. There are always exceptions, but over all there is no doubt this verse is true. Show me a full on skeptic, and I will typically show you an angry bitter person. Show me a beleiver and I will show you gentleness. Greg Laurie said once: even if Christianity were not true (and all four of us know it is true), it is a life he would trade for one founded on denial. Mark, Dave, you caustic e mails are fulfilling prophecies our Bible wrote about 2000 years ago! Amen! Agape, Bill >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Chicken little was right! >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:38:28 -0500 > >Bill, the Bible is planted in truth? > >Ha.. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:31 PM >Subject: Chicken little was right! > > >Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies >and >blooming toward hopelessness. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > > > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > An impartial judge has ruled: > > Bill 10 > > Liberal 0 > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > > >ship in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > > > >10 points to Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a > >such > > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > > >thought > > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > > >ship > > > >in the first place? > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out > >that > > >if > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend so > > > >much > > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I >told > >you > > > >that > > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find >it > > >quite > > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so > >long. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > > >easier > > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get >a > >few > > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:11:01 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f109.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.109]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:10:15 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:10:14 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:10:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: We know for whom the Bell tolls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:10:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:10:14.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[19B32B90:01C032F6] ################################################ Subj: Raking leaves in a dog occupied area is stinky work Date: 10-Oct-00 13:13:40 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com If you are unable to summarize I understand. I have had pet dogs my entire life and have shoveled as much dog doo as anyone. I have found it is easier to toss out a little than a ton of it. Thus I prefer you to summarize your best point from Liberator.net instead of burying under tons of >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:40:17 -0500 > >If you are ill-equipped to handle the convincing articles at >www.liberator.net, I'll understand. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:20 PM >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Why can't you summarize? Are you not equipped to? I have so much frutiful >work to do than to get tricked into going to a porno web site. I told you >I >hate porno. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:40 -0500 > > > >Bill, I sing everytime a person takes a comparative religions or >philosophy > >course. Only then do people land up acquiring a deeper understanding of > >what it means to believe. > > > >You have been programmed into thinking that there is such a thing as sin, > >Bill, which drives you to the -- manmade -- gospels. If I am ever driven > >to > >learn from the thoughts, experiences and knowledge of others, I will > >certainly not throw myself back into a time machine by reading an > >antiquated > >source such as the Bible. > > > >= ) > > > >Can you try to respond to the web addresses I sent to you or will you >dodge > >them again? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:43 PM > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > >Somebody is "Grumpy"... Come on it is ok because Jesus loves you!!! Sing > >along and smile!!! I forgive you brother! All your sins can be washed > >away > >when you give your sins to the Lord! > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:41 PM > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"Mark no need to be upset. When your upset just ask for God to step in >and > >you will be ok!" > > > >Should I ask Odin, Zeus or Ra for help too? > > > >= ) > > > >Who's upset? This is comical. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:59 PM > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > > > > >You see Bill, when you are losing an argument you call the other person a > >name like a freak. But if you are winning the argument it does not >bother > >you. > > > >I accept your concession Mark. > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:35:16 -0500 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Life is 10% situations and 90% how you deal with it. Many people >choose > > >to > > >be miserable." > > > > > >Many people choose to believe in fairytales as a means of escapism: >enter > > >religion. > > > > > >"One of my mottos Bill, is listen to miserable and grumpy people, but > >don't > > >let them make you miserable and grumpy." > > > > > >One of my favorite past-times is to listen to Jesus freaks because >their > > >non-logic is a constant joke. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:13:40 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.188]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:13:05 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:13:04 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:13:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Raking leaves in a dog occupied area is stinky work Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:13:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:13:04.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F74D280:01C032F6] ################################################ Subj: Roulette is a french word Date: 10-Oct-00 13:19:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net But they would have to input where the dude released the ball. For example they spin that wheel fast, then the guy rolls the ball in the opposite direction. Does he instantly type in "dude released ball near the 22 red?" I guess that could increase your odds after a while. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:35:13 -0700 > >Actually this was in a very interesting article in Scientific American >about 9 years ago. The guys put a microprocessor in the shoe of the guy >who betted at the roulette wheel. He would push buttons on the processor >that told it the position of the ball before spin, etc. Then they would >enter in about 100 spins. Based on the table being slightly off >horizontal, the ball characteristics, etc. they could guess just barely >more often than bettors on what numbers would win. So they had a >statistical advantage and started to win. Until the casino security caught >them and they were forever bannished from the casinos!!! Great story and >true! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:24 PM > Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? > > > What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way. That is > almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of >fortuitious > chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT > > > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they > >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > > > >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of >the > >Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow > >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the >hope > >of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some >data in > >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend >went > >to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape > >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so > >that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his > >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast >that > >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:19:31 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f205.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.205]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:18:32 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:18:31 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:18:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Roulette is a french word Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:18:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:18:31.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[42172D60:01C032F7] ################################################ Subj: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: 10-Oct-00 13:20:07 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Buddy, they are too chicken to answer your sincere inquiry. trust me! >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:38:40 -0700 > >Mr Wise what is your best explanation for the origin of life? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > You insulted my wife's faith in Christ and gave that as your reaosn for >not > going to Denny's. > > mr Wise.....give me your best explanation for the origin of life. > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:30:14 EDT > > > > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different > >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst > >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > > > >Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action since > >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, > >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > > > >But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know what >is > >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want >to > >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But > >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you >duck > >and run. > > > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from >people > >who will remain nameless.<< > > > >Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth then > >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid >of > >the truth. > > > >For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations against >me! > >Tell us what you think I had said! > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:20:07 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.62]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:19:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:19:09 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:19:09.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[58BAEC50:01C032F7] ################################################ Subj: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: 10-Oct-00 13:22:23 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net To be honest I think Dave Wise feels bad about trashing her. I think he is an all right guy in that regard. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:40:37 -0700 > >30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife. Now he has >insulted your good name and family. Comments? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:32 PM > Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast > > > I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said >he > did not want dinner because of our faith. I was hurt badly by this >insult. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: , > >CC: , > >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 > > > >This is a fair question. Bill what are your viewpoints or have you >already > >told them? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > > > > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different > >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst > >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > > > > Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action >since > >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, > >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > > > > But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know >what is > >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want >to > >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But > >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you >duck > >and run. > > > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from >people > >who will remain nameless.<< > > > > Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth >then > >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid >of > >the truth. > > > > For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations >against > >me! Tell us what you think I had said! > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:22:23 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f238.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.238]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:21:05 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:20:59 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:20:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:20:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:20:59.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AA43EA0:01C032F7] ################################################ Subj: Cain's wife Date: 10-Oct-00 13:24:47 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com The increased probability of birth defects is due to tpresence of mutations. You andyour sister most likely have the same mutations and thus a higher risk of making a handicapped child. this is demonstrated with the physical inferiority of pure bread dogs who often are in bred. Mutation increase over time, 6000 years ago was a long time ago, 6000 years ago people had fewer mutations in their genetic code.....Mark, do you agree with that? Mark, if people had fewer mutations in their genetic code, is incest wrong? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" >CC: , >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:42:39 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. >But >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of science? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:24:47 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f146.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.146]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:24:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:24:32 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Cain's wife Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:24:32.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[199A8890:01C032F8] ################################################ Subj: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: 10-Oct-00 13:26:41 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com The answer is in the Bible Mark! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:44:19 -0500 > >How happy was your 'savior' when he was being nailed to a wooden beam? > >= ) > >That's got a sting to the point of upsetting one's day. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:12 PM >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? > > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a >ship in the first place? > > >An impartial judge has ruled: >Bill 10 >Liberal 0 > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > >10 points to Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > >thought > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a > >ship > > >in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out >that > >if > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and spend >so > > >much > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I told >you > > >that > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find it > >quite > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so long. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > >easier > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get a >few > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:26:41 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.94]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:26:18 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:26:17 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:26:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a ship in the first place? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:26:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:26:17.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[57DAD010:01C032F8] ################################################ Subj: Jock itch Date: 10-Oct-00 13:29:29 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com God definately answers the prayers of the buffalo bills and since he loves them he keeps them humble. I know God is not a raider fan. If you wash more your jock itch will go away. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Does God Take Sides? >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:58:37 -0500 > >Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for >help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock >itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent >to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you >admitting defeat so easily? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the >Lord is on your side. So go easy. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > >I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin of >Life Mist da Mark. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > > >Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are acceptable? > >Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > > >If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > >consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > > >= ) > > > >BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > >again. > >Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > >simply > >too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > >http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > >http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:29:28 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f223.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.223]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:28:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:28:45 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:28:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: Jock itch Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:28:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:28:45.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFEC6FC0:01C032F8] ################################################ Subj: From goo to you by way of the zoo Date: 10-Oct-00 13:31:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Notice how they avoid your simple origin of life question Bill? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:09:05 -0500 > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. It's >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >handle >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan on >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange character >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >atheists. God Bless you! >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > >Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray >for > >help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > >planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock > >itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I >sent > >to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are >you > >admitting defeat so easily? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > > > > >Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the > >Lord is on your side. So go easy. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > >Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > > > > >See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > > >I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin >of > >Life Mist da Mark. > > > > > >>From: "Mark" > >>To: "Bill Morgan" , > >>CC: > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >> > >>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >acceptable? > >>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >> > >>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > >>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >> > >>= ) > >> > >>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > >>again. > >>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > >>simply > >>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > >> > >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > >>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >> > >>Mark > >>The Liberator > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:01 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f234.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.234]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:30:32 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:30:23 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:30:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: From goo to you by way of the zoo Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:30:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:30:23.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA4DCF60:01C032F8] ################################################ Subj: Re: We know for whom the Bell tolls Date: 10-Oct-00 13:31:35 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), editor@liberator.net CC: DWise1@aol.com I have to agree with Bill. My hat is off to you guys! Watching embittered skeptics get nasty with me and my fellow brethren is great. It confirms everything the Bible says about atheists. Right on guys! Thanks for confirming my faith :) John 3:16 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: We know for whom the Bell tolls Lets look at theings. The Book of Galatians (5:22)says the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. The deeds of the flesh include emnitiy, strife, angry, dissention, factions and envying. I have been around a long time and have met a lot of people. There are always exceptions, but over all there is no doubt this verse is true. Show me a full on skeptic, and I will typically show you an angry bitter person. Show me a beleiver and I will show you gentleness. Greg Laurie said once: even if Christianity were not true (and all four of us know it is true), it is a life he would trade for one founded on denial. Mark, Dave, you caustic e mails are fulfilling prophecies our Bible wrote about 2000 years ago! Amen! Agape, Bill >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Chicken little was right! >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:38:28 -0500 > >Bill, the Bible is planted in truth? > >Ha.. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:31 PM >Subject: Chicken little was right! > > >Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies >and >blooming toward hopelessness. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > > > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > An impartial judge has ruled: > > Bill 10 > > Liberal 0 > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > > >ship in the first place? > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > > > > > >10 points to Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > > Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a > >such > > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > > > > > Mark, I apologized. Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > > >thought > > > you believed it was true just unappealling. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > > >ship > > > >in the first place? > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Mark: why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out > >that > > >if > > > >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend so > > > >much > > > >time angry about it?" > > > > > > > >Bill, I didn't ignore it. You must have missed the letter. I >told > >you > > > >that > > > >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction. In fact, I find >it > > >quite > > > >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so > >long. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories. I guess it's > > >easier > > > >than believing reality. That's their call. It's my right to get >a > >few > > > >chuckles out of it. > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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I have to agree with Bill.  My hat is off to you guys!  Watching embittered skeptics get nasty with me and my fellow brethren is great.  It confirms everything the Bible says about atheists.  Right on guys!  Thanks for confirming my faith :)  John 3:16
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: We know for whom the Bell tolls
Lets look at theings. The Book of Galatians (5:22)says the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. The deeds of the flesh include emnitiy, strife, angry, dissention, factions and envying. I have been around a long time and have met a lot of people.  There are always exceptions, but over all there is no doubt this verse is true.  Show me a full on skeptic, and I will typically show you an angry bitter person.  Show me a beleiver and I will show you gentleness. Greg Laurie said once:  even if Christianity were not true (and all four of us know it is true), it is a life he would trade for one founded on denial. Mark, Dave, you caustic e mails are fulfilling prophecies our Bible wrote about 2000 years ago!  Amen! Agape, Bill >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Chicken little was right! >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:38:28 -0500 > >Bill, the Bible is planted in truth? > >Ha.. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:31 PM >Subject: Chicken little was right! > > >Unhappiness.....that is the fruit that falls from a tree planted in lies >and >blooming toward hopelessness. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a such a > >ship in the first place? > >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:12:18 -0700 > > > >It truly seems to me that atheists are very unhappy people! > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   From: Bill Morgan > >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > >   Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:10 PM > >   Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a ship in the first place? > > > > > >   An impartial judge has ruled: > >   Bill 10 > >   Liberal 0 > > > > > >   >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >   >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >   >Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > >   >ship in the first place? > >   >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:12:12 -0700 > >   > > >   >10 points to Bill > >   >   ----- Original Message ----- > >   >   From: Bill Morgan > >   >   To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > >   >   Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >   >   Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:01 PM > >   >   Subject: Re: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a > >such > >   >a ship in the first place? > >   > > >   > > >   >   Mark, I apologized.  Based upon your obcession with Christianity I > >   >thought > >   >   you believed it was true just unappealling. > >   > > >   > > >   >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >   >   >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, ><billbeq@mediaone.net> > >   >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >   >   >Subject: How could Noah have filled the Ark, much less build a >such > >a > >   >ship > >   >   >in the first place? > >   >   >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:55:44 -0500 > >   >   > > >   >   >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >   >   > > >   >   >"Mark:  why did you ignore my e mail which truthfully pointed out > >that > >   >if > >   >   >Jesus was a fake why would you hate something that is fake and > >spend so > >   >   >much > >   >   >time angry about it?" > >   >   > > >   >   >Bill, I didn't ignore it.  You must have missed the letter.  I >told > >you > >   >   >that > >   >   >I cannot get upset over a mythical concoction.  In fact, I find >it > >   >quite > >   >   >humorous that the joke called Christianity could have lasted so > >long. > >   >   > > >   >   >= ) > >   >   > > >   >   >Some people like to believe in fantastical stories.  I guess it's > >   >easier > >   >   >than believing reality.  That's their call.  It's my right to get >a > >few > >   >   >chuckles out of it. > >   >   > > >   >   >Mark > >   >   >The Liberator > >   >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >   >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >   >   > > >   > > >   > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >   >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >   >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   > > >   >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > >   >   http://profiles.msn.com. > >   > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >   http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:35 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:01 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust103.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.103]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA13049; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006d01c032f8$8712ac40$6720113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: We know for whom the Bell tolls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C032BD.D94BB8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: 10-Oct-00 13:34:10 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned (welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist at God. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from all >the religions and philosophies that are available. > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > >= ) > >Thinking for the both of us, > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > >Mark, >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking >about >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's your > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. >It's > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. BTW, > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on burying > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >handle > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you plan >on > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the Sabbath > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange >character > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > >atheists. God Bless you! > >Bill > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often pray > >for > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying jock > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > >> > >>= ) > >> > >>Mark > >>The Liberator > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >> > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages I > >sent > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. Are > >you > >>admitting defeat so easily? > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Bill Bequette > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >> > >> > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when the > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Bill Morgan > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >> > >> > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > >> > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the Origin >of > >>Life Mist da Mark. > >> > >> > >>>From: "Mark" > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > >>>CC: > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > >>> > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >acceptable? > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > >>> > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > >>> > >>>= ) > >>> > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > >>>again. > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > >>>simply > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > >>> > >>>Mark > >>>The Liberator > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >>> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:34:10 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.105]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:33:26 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:33:25 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@aol.com Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:33:25.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[57541E70:01C032F9] ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 10-Oct-00 13:34:57 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: editor@liberator.net, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@aol.com I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over time, thus back then there were few if any. God made a nice clean defect free genetic code! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light of >defects caused by incestuous relations? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Mark, >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth >defects. That is God's answer. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. >But > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >science? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:34:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:34:33.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F959990:01C032F9] ################################################ Subj: Re: Roulette is a french word Date: 10-Oct-00 13:35:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net My memory is a little rusty since I read the article quite some time ago. But the article was very explicit on the method. It was very cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Roulette is a french word But they would have to input where the dude released the ball. For example they spin that wheel fast, then the guy rolls the ball in the opposite direction. Does he instantly type in "dude released ball near the 22 red?" I guess that could increase your odds after a while. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:35:13 -0700 > >Actually this was in a very interesting article in Scientific American >about 9 years ago. The guys put a microprocessor in the shoe of the guy >who betted at the roulette wheel. He would push buttons on the processor >that told it the position of the ball before spin, etc. Then they would >enter in about 100 spins. Based on the table being slightly off >horizontal, the ball characteristics, etc. they could guess just barely >more often than bettors on what numbers would win. So they had a >statistical advantage and started to win. Until the casino security caught >them and they were forever bannished from the casinos!!! Great story and >true! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:24 PM > Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? > > > What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way. That is > almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of >fortuitious > chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? > >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT > > > > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they > >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< > > > >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS? It dealt mainly with the creation of >the > >Internet. One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow > >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the >hope > >of discovering a method of winning. But they needed to gather some >data in > >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend >went > >to a casino to gather that data. The plan was for him to put a tape > >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so > >that he would record his friend playing the wheel. Unfortunately, his > >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast >that > >had a wire running to it. Killed that research project in a hurry. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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My memory is a little rusty since I read the article quite some time ago.  But the article was very explicit on the method.  It was very cool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:18 PM
Subject: Roulette is a french word
But they would have to input where the dude released the ball.  For example they spin that wheel fast, then the guy rolls the ball in the opposite direction.  Does he instantly type in "dude released ball near the 22 red?" I guess that could increase your odds after a while. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Vanna White?  Is she the anti Christ? >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:35:13 -0700 > >Actually this was in a very interesting article in Scientific American >about 9 years ago.  The guys put a microprocessor in the shoe of the guy >who betted at the roulette wheel.  He would push buttons on the processor >that told it the position of the ball before spin, etc.  Then they would >enter in about 100 spins.  Based on the table being slightly off >horizontal, the ball characteristics, etc. they could guess just barely >more often than bettors on what numbers would win.  So they had a >statistical advantage and started to win.  Until the casino security caught >them and they were forever bannished from the casinos!!!  Great story and >true! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:24 PM >   Subject: Vanna White? Is she the anti Christ? > > >   What poopy heads trying to tape the roulette wheel in that way.  That is >   almost as goofy as thinking protein synthesis is the result of >fortuitious >   chemistry rather than a brilliant design by a Great God. > > >   >From: DWise1@aol.com >   >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes from Mutations? >   >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:56 EDT >   > >   > >>I think a smart person could cheat at wheel of fortune on how hard >they >   >spin the wheel.....don't you agree?<< >   > >   >Did you see "Nerds 2.0.1" on PBS?  It dealt mainly with the creation of >the >   >Internet.  One of the interviewees told of how he and some of his >fellow >   >engineers tried to work out the physics of a roulette wheel, with the >hope >   >of discovering a method of winning.  But they needed to gather some >data in >   >the form of a tape recording of the ball in action, so he and a friend >went >   >to a casino to gather that data.  The plan was for him to put a tape >   >recorder under his jacket and hide the microphone in a fake arm cast so >   >that he would record his friend playing the wheel.  Unfortunately, his >   >friend started winning and the pit boss became suspicious of this cast >that >   >had a wire running to it.  Killed that research project in a hurry. >   > > >   >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:35:31 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:34:36 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust103.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.103]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14986; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008501c032f9$04d223e0$6720113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Roulette is a french word Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:31:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C032BE.56D134A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: 10-Oct-00 13:36:26 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Hey your all above the average chimp in terms of IQ. Most people sweat at even thinking about using a computer or even thinking about evol vs creat let alone arguing about it :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast To be honest I think Dave Wise feels bad about trashing her. I think he is an all right guy in that regard. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:40:37 -0700 > >30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife. Now he has >insulted your good name and family. Comments? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:32 PM > Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast > > > I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said >he > did not want dinner because of our faith. I was hurt badly by this >insult. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: , > >CC: , > >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 > > > >This is a fair question. Bill what are your viewpoints or have you >already > >told them? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > To: billyjack1@hotmail.com > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide > > > > > > > > >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different > >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst > >toward futher research....being challenged....<< > > > > Since when, Bill M? Both Mark and I have observed you in action >since > >1996. We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, > >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. > > > > But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know >what is > >going on. I guess that would make a difference, because you only want >to > >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy. But > >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you >duck > >and run. > > > > >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from >people > >who will remain nameless.<< > > > > Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth >then > >things would run a whole lot smoother. If only you weren't so afraid >of > >the truth. > > > > For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations >against > >me! Tell us what you think I had said! > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------
Hey your all above the average chimp in terms of IQ.  Most people sweat at even thinking about using a computer or even thinking about evol vs creat let alone arguing about it :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast
To be honest I think Dave Wise feels bad about trashing her.  I think he is an all right guy in that regard. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:40:37 -0700 > >30 times.... Gee whiz and slamming your wonderful wife.  Now he has >insulted your good name and family.  Comments? >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:32 PM >   Subject: No Grand Slam Breakfast > > >   I answered him 30 times, he trashed my wife for being Christian and said >he >   did not want dinner because of our faith.  I was hurt badly by this >insult. > > >   >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <editor@liberator.net>, <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >   >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:32 -0700 >   > >   >This is a fair question.  Bill what are your viewpoints or have you >already >   >told them? >   >   ----- Original Message ----- >   >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   >   To: billyjack1@hotmail.com >   >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   >   Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:30 AM >   >   Subject: Re: Dr. Jessel and Mr. Hide >   > >   > >   > >   >   >>I love the intellectual thrust and parry with those of different >   >opinions, I have no problem with that.....it is the greatest catalyst >   >toward futher research....being challenged....<< >   > >   >   Since when, Bill M?  Both Mark and I have observed you in action >since >   >1996.  We have watched you do everything you can to avoid discussion, >   >including your favorite trick of laying down rabbit trails. >   > >   >   But then we have not observed you with somebody who doesn't know >what is >   >going on.  I guess that would make a difference, because you only want >to >   >be "challenged" when you can tap-dance rings around the other guy.  But >   >bring in somebody who knows something about creation science and you >duck >   >and run. >   > >   >   >>I just have a hard time with incessant insults and whining from >people >   >who will remain nameless.<< >   > >   >   Well, Bill M, if you would stop obstructing the search for truth >then >   >things would run a whole lot smoother.  If only you weren't so afraid >of >   >the truth. >   > >   >   For the THIRTIETH TIME, Bill M, substantiate your accusations >against >   >me!  Tell us what you think I had said! >   > > >   >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:36:26 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust103.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.103]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15973; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008d01c032f9$37a24200$6720113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: No Grand Slam Breakfast Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:32:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C032BE.8A586DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Read my lips: I don't save my emails Date: 10-Oct-00 13:37:23 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net, plasma@worldnet.att.net I dont save my e mails. But I accept your apology. Based upon your desire to make atonement for even the hint of trashing my wife, I forgive you, the issue is resolved. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to >you >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:36:31 EDT > > >>Obstruct ALL attempts to resolve? > >Um cscuse me sir, I invite you to dinner and a party and I am not tring to >resotore our friendship? > >Delusional............<< > >Excuse me, Bill M, but what "friendship" are you talking about? You cannot >restore something which never existed in the first place. Talk about >somebody being delusional! > >What is wrong with you? Do you really have no idea whatsoever what has >been happening here for the past TEN WEEKS? Do I have to explain it to you >YET AGAIN? > >Bill M, you made several accusations against me and we need to get that >resolved. You have accused me of several serious transgressions of which I >have no knowledge and which I have been unable to find anywhere in the >written record of our exchanges. I listed the first accusations and you >have verified that they are indeed the accusations which you have made >against me. Here they are again, Bill Morgan, some of the accusations you >have made against me: > >1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" > >2. Thinking you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". > >3. Thinking you are "wacked for beleiving in God". > >4. "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd >grader." > >5. "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]. > >6. That my wife and I had labelled you and your wife as evil. > >7. Calling you "very nasty names." > >8. That I had told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". > >9. That I would think your and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's >most >sinister people". > >10. That I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. > >11. That I sent electronically "many nasty words that were anti religious". > > >My immediate response to these accusations was to try to get the situation >resolved. I have repeatedly asked you to substantiate your accusations >against me. I have repeatedly informed you that in order to resolve this >situation I needed to know WHAT YOU THINK I HAD WRITTEN SO THAT WE COULD >LOCATE THE MESSAGES IN QUESTION AND EXAMINE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY. I have >told you that repeatedly and you have repeatedly refused to provide that >much needed information. I have tried to locate some of them without that >necessary information, but have not been able to find any match. And as >for most of your accusations, I HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL WHAT YOU ARE TALKING >ABOUT! And the most that you have had to offer has just been to repeat the >accusations without providing any of the information needed to identify the >original messages in order to resolve the situation. > >Bill M, the situation is that we need to determine the truth about your >accusations against me. Resolution of this situation requires that we >examine the messages upon which you purport to base your accusations. >This requires that you inform us of the wording that you "remember" me >having used so that we can identify the messages in question. > >Bill M, by your willful and persistent refusal to provide that information >you have indeed been obstructing ALL our attempts to resolve the situation >and you have been doing so for the past TEN WEEKS! > >The reasonable interpretation of your actions would be that you are afraid >that we will all discover the truth, that your accusations against me are >groundless and without substance. And the wilfullness with which you are >preventing our examination of the facts indicates that you know full well >that your accusations are false. If you really believed that your >accusations were true, then you would have no reason to obstruct our search >for the truth. > >Bump the count to show that I have requested this information from you for >the THIRTY-SECOND TIME now. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (rly-zb05.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.5]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:37:23 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f208.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.208]) by rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:36:58 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:36:58 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:36:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net, plasma@worldnet.att.net Subject: Read my lips: I don't save my emails Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:36:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:36:58.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5BC0B10:01C032F9] ################################################ Subj: read my eyes: I no save a me e mails Date: 10-Oct-00 13:38:43 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: What do dogs have bad dreams about? >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:40:46 EDT > > >>Hey, maybe you and Mr Wise and Mr Liberal can become >friends....Wise...liberal....let Bill cut your hair for free as a token of >friendship!<< > >Bill M, a friend does not tell slanderous lies about his friend and then >refuse to support those lies in any manner while obstructing all attempts >by his friend to resolve the matter. That is not what a friend does. > >Bill M, don't you remember what your grandmother had told you? That to be >loved you must be lovable? If you really want friendship, then why do you >repeatedly take actions to make yourself hated and despised? That doesn't >make any sense, unless your talk of friendship is insincere, meant only for >show in order to mask your true feelings and intentions. > >If you really wanted to offer a "token of friendship", then you would cease >your stubborn obstruction of our investigation and substantiate your >accusations against me by telling us what you believe I had written. This >is the THIRTY-FIRST time I am requesting that information! > > >Bill B, if you do wish to offer a token of friendship, then you would try >to impress upon your friend, Bill M, the importance of serving truth (which >most Christians claim to do, including Bill M, but which neither of you two >show any inclination to actually do) and urge him to provide the >information that we need to resolve this matter. > >In the meantime, Bill M and Bill B, do please bear in mind that you have >been witnessing all this time. Do I need to describe to you what your >witness tells us about Christians? > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:43 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.188]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:13 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:38:09 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:38:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: read my eyes: I no save a me e mails Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:38:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:38:09.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[007B7E80:01C032FA] ################################################ Subj: Another reason Christianity is true: Our music is the best Date: 10-Oct-00 13:40:25 Pacific Daylight Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Bretheren and Fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to >you >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:38:31 EDT > > >>I am so happy to hear that at lease you used to celebrate the birth of >our Savior, jesus christ!<< > >What are you talking about? Oh, you mean Saturnalia and Sol Invictus? >It's the celebration of the Winter Solstice which got taken over by some >young upstart cult you may have heard of. Almost every Christmas symbol >and custom was taken from pagan traditions. The Christmas tree, yule log, >wassal, holly and misteltoe (the Resurrection God, Baldar, was killed by >the misteltoe), Santa Claus (AKA "Wotan"), etc. Even the story of the >Nativity seems to have been lifted from the pagan traditions. All good >old-fashioned Pagan traditions, absorbed and assimilated by the Christians. > >Actually, it's quite interesting how early Christianity absorbed and >assimilated the indiginous pagan religions as it spread. They did it again >when they conquered the New World. I wonder if Roddenberry (or Bergman -- >I'm not sure who was in charge at that point) had those earlier Christian >missionaries in mind when he came up with the Borg. > >Here's an interesting trivia question. The date of Christmas is based on >the date of the Winter Solstice. But if the Winter Solstice is on the >21st, then why is Christmas on the 25th? There's nothing esoteric nor >biblical about the answer. > > > >>Give me that old time religion!<< > >Oh, I love that song! I'd like to share with you an extremely few of the >well-over 800 verses. Most of the rest of the verses can be found at "The >Official, Accept no Cheap Substitutes, Real Old Time Religion Page" at >http://www.locksley.com/vintage/realotr.htm : > >(Chorus): Give me that real old time religion (3X) > It's good enough for me! > >AGNOSTIC/ATHEIST CHORUS: Gimme NO kind-a religion > Gimme NO kind-a religion > Gimme NO kind-a religion > It simply ain't for me! > >Lots of folks are into God >And I've often thought it odd >Do they love Him for His bod'? >Or is it ideology? > >I don't care about Jehover >Soon his office term is over >I would sooner worship Rover >'Cause he's good enough for me! >[Bill M, I included this one in honor of the recent "What's 'dog' spelled >backwards?" subject line] > >It's the Fundie Right's solution >To put Christian absolution >In the U.S. Constitution >And that don't sit well with me! > >Jehovah's fine transcendence >And the Church's great resplendence >Pushing guilt and co-dependence >Ain't good enough for me! > >Let us all worship Reason >Cause it never goes out of season >And only it makes good predictions >And that's good enough for me. > >We will walk upon ol' Bifrost >Tell ol' Heimdall that we're not lost >Ask Odin what the runes cost >And hit Loki with a pie! > >I hear Valkyries a-comin' >In the air their song is comin' >They forgot the words! They're hummin'! >But they're good enough for me! > >Do you see the great God Tyr? >He's the one with that huge spear, >And with Fenrir's tooth-marks here >And I'm glad they're not in me. > >It was good for Thor and Odin >It was good for Thor and Odin >Grab an axe and get your woad on! >and it's good enough for me! > >We will worship now with vigor >The goddess known as Frigga >Tho there are some who don't dig her >She is good enough for me! > >We will sing a verse for Loki >He's the old Norse god of Chaos >Which is why this verse don't >rhyme or scan or nothin' >But it's good enough for me... > >All the Gods tore into Loki >Saying Deicide is hokey! >And they threw him in the pokey! >And that's good enough for me! > >One-eyed Odin we will follow >And in fighting we will wallow >Till we wind up in Valhallow >Which is good enough for me! > >We'll all worship mighty Odin >While he's busy there decodin' >All those runes he found a floatin' >And it's good enough for me... > >Now Thor, he's armed with Mjollnir >Why choose that, I've no idear >He should oughta use a spear >But a hammer's fine by me. > >We will go and sing "Hosanna" >To our good ol' pal, Gautama, >He will never flim or flam ya', >And that's good enough for me! > >Clap one hand if you love the Buddha >It will put ya in the mood ta >Set off for Nirvana >And that's good enough for me! > >To the tune of Handel's "Largo" >We will hymn the gods of Cargo >'Til they slap on an embargo >And that's good enough for me! > >Say the Baptists, "We're the only >We're the one church that's not phony >If you give us all your money >Then to Heaven you shall go! > >Tho J.C.'s into fish, too, >He's an avatar of Vishnu >So he is welcome here, too, >And that's good enough for me! > >All the Christians pray to Jesus >Every Sunday on their kneeses >Then they do just what they pleases >For the rest of every week. > >Oh the Christians worship Jesus >But their sermons sure don't please us >It's a Sin each time ya sneezes >That ain't good enough for me! > >Oh my name is Torquemada >I burn Luth'rans in Granada >It's all for the Holy Fadda >And it's good enough for me! > >Let us worship this Jehovah >All you other gods move ovah >Cause the One God's taking over >That sounds awful dull to me! > >Well you can worship Jesus >Go ahead and pray to Jesus >But I tell you, he don't please us >Just leave my Gods to me! > >It was good enough for Jesus >Though Paul's doctrine doesn't please us >We prefer a faith that frees us >And that's good enough for me > >To Prometheus let us hark >In bringing fire, he made his mark >Or we'd be dancing in the dark >And that's not good enough for me! > >It was good for lovely Artemis >Who'd like to get to the heart of us >She's glad to be a part of us >And she's good enough for me! > >We will go and worship Vesta >For her cooking is the best-a >All the food at the fiesta >Which is good enough for me! > >Let us sing to Mother Hera, >Papa Zeus had best beware-a, >'Cause his wife's a holy terror >That's good enough for me. > >We will worship old Apollo >He's got others beat all hollow >Let him lead and we will follow >And that's good enough for me! > >We're not crazy over Aries >For his men give us the scaries >And they kill like Christ's and Mary's >Which ain't good enough for me! > >At Troy nobody was mean-a >That the Great Goddess Athena >Mopped them up with Ajax clean-a >And that's good enough for me! > >We will sing for great Diana >Who will teach of love and honor >But you really gotta wanna! >'Cause she's tough enough for me! > >If you have the itchy-squirmies >Then you better pray to Hermes >He will cure you of your germies >And he's good enough for me! > >Oh I'm following the Tao >Here and there and then and now >But I cannot tell you how >And it's good enough for me! > >Oh the Welsh gods, -you- announce 'em >Asking my gods to renounce 'em >But our gods, I can't pronounce 'em >Being tongue-tied's not for me! > >I will worship the god Aton >Yes the good old sun-god Aton >Tho he's nearly been forgotton >He's good enough for me! > >Let us worship Lady Isis >For her virtues and her vices >Of the Gods she is the nices' >And that's good enough for me! > >Bumper stickers of all sizes >At quite reasonable prices >They say 'ankh' if you love Isis >And that's good enough for me! > >We will bow down to Osiris >At the blooming of the Iris >And he'll save us from the virus >Which is good enough for me! > >We will sing a song of Ra >He's the god without a flaw >If his humour's rather raw, >Still he's good enough for me! > >We will pray to Ra and Ammon >Just like Tutankhamen, >And teach our friends embalmin', >They're good enough for me. > >We will worship Holy Ford >Beta, Delta, Gamma, Lord >But the Alphas might get bored >A Brave New World for you and me! >[Bill M, a tribute to that mass of misscanned text on your site which you >still have not corrected -- God as "First Cause" got rendered as "First >CaR"] > >Let us question Deep Thought too >Let us question Deep Thought too >'Cause the answer's Forty-Two! >And it's good enough for me! > >We've decided you are naughty, >If you're not of Landru's body, >Though his robes get kind of shoddy, >They're good enough for me! > >Let us celebrate Jehovah >Who created us "ab ova" >He'll be on tonight on "Nova" >'Cause he's good enough for me! > >You can worship God Adonai >Be allowed few things to enjoy >I'd much rather be just a goy >More comfortable for me! > >And we'll even sing to Moses, >Though his law's no bed of roses. >Let him pay us what he owes us >That's good enough for me. > >We will all bow down to Enlil >We will all bow down to Enlil >Pass your Cup and get a refill! >With bold Gilgamesh the Brave! > >Oh the ancient goddess Nerthus >From herself the Earth did birth us >And I wonder: are we worth us? >But she's good enough for me! > >We will go and worship Baal >For he is the Lord of All >In the fields and in the hall >He is good enough for me! > >We will all bow down to Dagon >A conservative old pagan >He still votes for Ronald Reagan >And that's good enough for me! > >We will all be saved by Mithras >We will all be saved by Mithras >Slay the Bull and play the zithras >On that Resurrection Day! > >Oh we all will worship Mithras >Because he was born at Chrith-mas >And he doesn't know St. Dith-mas >And that's good enough for me! > >Sun Moon's kids are kind of funny >But they stick to him like honey >He just wants their souls and money >And it's good enough for him! > >We will worship with the Mormons >'Cause they're not like Martin Bormann >Into gods they'll be re-bornin' >And that's good enough for me! > >Let us join the Earth Spirits >Let us join the Earth Spirits >With the Earth they will heal us >And its good enough for me! > >Some folks worship the Kachinas >Some folks worship the Kachinas >They look like "deus ex machinas" >But they're good enough for me! > >Thanks to great Quetzacoatl >And his sacred axolotl >And his gift of chocolatl >And please pass some down to me! > >Let us worship like the Quakers >(silent) >(silent) >It's good enough for me. > >There are those who worship science >And some would send 'em to the lions >Without 'em we'd have no appliance >So they're good enough for me > >Ameratsu brought the light in >And love's bonds began to tighten >The whole world began to brighten >And that's good enough for me! > >If you come to practice Shinto >Make sure you know what they are into >You must praise each rock and lean-to >But they're good enough for me! > >WICCAN CHORUS: Gimme that real old time religion > Gimme that real old time religion > Don't gimme no new affliction > It's good enough for me... > >Let us worship mighty Gaea >Listen to what she has to say-a >She'll say, "take your trash away-a" >And that's good enough for me! > >After converts we're not chasing >And their money we're not fleecing >Still our numbers are increasing >And that's good enough for me! > >In the face of Inquisition >We maintained an Opposition >And preserved the Old Tradition >And that's good enough for me! > >When the blizzard is a-whirling >And the Yule log is a-burning >And the Sun God is returning >It is good enough for me! > >Come and join the celebration >Pour the Goddess a libation >You don't need initiation >And that's good enough for me! > >Those Evangelists all say >They possess the one true way >I'll take Wicca any day >And that's good enough for me! > >Through the endless night we shiver >Flames around the Yule log quiver >As we sing to praise the Giver >Of the Sun on Solistice morn! > >Pagans gather in the clearing >For the end of Winter's nearing >And the Maiden is appearing >Bringing promises of Spring! > >All the apple trees wassail >As we heft the flowing pail >A good cider mixed with ale >And that's good enough for me! > >We're all children of the Goddess >We're all children of the Goddess >She always fed and shod us >She is good to you and me! > >Give thanks to the Earth our Mother >Give thanks to the Earth our Mother >She'll care for us like no other >And she's good enough for me! > >I will keep the Maypole rites >Coupling in the fields all night >Just to keep the crops from blight >And that's good enough for me! > >I will keep the Yule >For to bring the year's renewal >Keep the kiddies home from school >And that's good enough for me > >Perfect love and perfect trust >We shall rise up from the dust >And become the upper crust >And that's good enough for me! > >When the red-necks say we're sinning >I don't care, 'cause we are winning >And this is only the beginning >And that's good enough for me! > >Our Familiar is black >With a white stripe down his back >When his tail goes up, make tracks, >'Cause it ain't perfumery! > >Our Bard is macrophonic >And he thinks he's so harmonic >But he's more like cacophonic >And he plays a mile off-key! > >When I first became a pagan >It was daring and outragin' >Now my Circle's started agin' >But they're good enough for me! > >We will worship Frey and Freya >Yao and Vesta, Lugh and Gaia >Any more? Perun! and Maia! >That's still not enough for me! > >I pray to Ahura-Mazda >He's one god who sure won't pause ta >Pound some heads when given cause ta >Which is good enough for me! > >It was good enough for Larry >It was good enough for Moe >It was good enough for Curly >Please don't poke me in the eye! > >If you want to start religions, >If you want to start religions, >You'll need temples, you'll need pigeons, >And that's good enough for me. > >We will all read Joseph Campbell >Who made order out of shambles >Tho he sometimes kinda rambles >He's good enough for me! > > >THE OBLIGATORY LAST VERSE(S) > >If you think these verses floor us >Then go write another chorus >Just as long as you don't bore us >Then it's good enough for me! > >It's the opera written for us! >We will all join in the chorus! >It's the opera about Boris, >Which is Godunov for me! > > >THE FINAL WORD > >We will bow down to John Boardman >Tho he's not a master swordsman >Verses of this song he hoards, man >And he's good enough for me! > >Joe Bethancourt's a swordsman >And he also is a Hordesman >And he'll sing 'til he gets bored, man >And he's good enough for me! > >Give a rest to old religion, >If only just a smidgen. >It's really not my pidgin, >Though it's good enough for you! > >If you want a new edition >Let its writing be -your- mission! >As for me, I'm goin' fishin'! >Or I'll go and watch TV! > > >(quoting directly from the web site) >THE ORIGINS OF "REAL OTR": > >John Boardman, the East Coast collector of this song, says in >_ANAKREON_ #8 (1 Nov., 1980): "So far, two different stories have >come in of how "That Real Old Time Religion" originated. Robin R. >Arnhold writes that "Lady Cybele" started it a decade or more ago, >and says that (five of the early verses) are of her composition, with >a chorus of "Give Me That Old Craft Religion." 'The first exposure to >people other than Madison-area pagans came when Lady Cybele sang some >of her songs in informal sessions at the Gnostica festivals in the >early 1970's.' " > >"But Allison Harlow claims that 'Victor Anderson, the blind shaman of >San Leandro...first began singing these verses; we taught the idea to >NROOGD and _Nemeton_, whence it caught on in the Mid-West...and >finally reached the East Coast.'" > >John writes further in _ANAKREON_ #12 (1 Nov. 1981): "Rus (Gulevitch) >has a resolution of the situation presented in _ANAKREON_ #8, in >which two different stories of the origin of "That Real Old Time >Religion" were presented:" > >" 'I've heard about Cybele being the originator of OTR, too,' he >wrote, 'But I also heard that several covens (who had no contact with >each other) got the same idea at different times, and Cybele is but >the one who first made it more or less public. Such things happen >often enough.' " > >To which I (Joe Bethancourt) can only add that I heard it in the >early 1970's and have been collecting, and enjoying it ever since. >It's gotten into the oral tradition in Science-Fiction Fandom, a >little into the SCA, and is being sung in the folkie community quite >a bit too.....which means we can -never- collect -all- the verses .... >it's a -living- traditional song. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:40:25 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f169.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.169]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:39:51 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:39:51 -0700 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:39:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Another reason Christianity is true: Our music is the best Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:39:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 20:39:51.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CE5F490:01C032FA] ################################################