################################################ Subj: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: 12-Oct-00 11:30:56 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:29:50 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13101; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:29:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:31:30 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: 12-Oct-00 11:34:48 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1@AOL.com Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:34:48 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:34:30 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13863; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:34:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:36:13 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: 12-Oct-00 11:40:07 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Bill,
       You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc..  The guys who get emotional always lose the argument.  Mark you lose.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka
Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did.  Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes.  When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration.  Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining.  Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian.  With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes.  God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it.  It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying.  You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.  Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37].  The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok.  I will stick with my belief system.  I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be.  I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists.  God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help.  I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch.  Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S.  I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win.  These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side.  So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >>>CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable.  Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you.  Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge.  Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:07 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:39:39 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27460; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:36:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C03440.A4F5D720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: 12-Oct-00 11:43:00 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead".  Very un-impressive.
Shame on you Mark!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this
Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion.  Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming.  It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God.  Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net>, "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Mark >   To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM >   Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >   Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >   "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >   thus back then there were few if any." > >   What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >   inherited genetic trait. > >   "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >   There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >   such a thing? > >   Mark >   The Liberator >   E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" >   ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >   > >   >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of >   >defects caused by incestuous relations? >   > >   >Mark >   >The Liberator >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > >   >----- Original Message ----- >   >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   >Mark, >   >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in >birth >   >defects.  That is God's answer. >   > >   >-----Original Message----- >   >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com >   ><DWise1@aol.com> >   >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: >   > > >   > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >   > > >   > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >   > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >   >But >   > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >   >science? >   > > >   > >Mark >   > >The Liberator >   > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > > >   > > >   > >   > >   > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:43:00 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:42:10 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29180; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:38:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C03440.FF490260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 12-Oct-00 11:44:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:44:44 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:44:23 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15402; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:44:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:06 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: 12-Oct-00 11:46:50 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next? Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:46:50 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:46:12 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15633; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <008b01c0347c$f01263e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:47:56 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 12-Oct-00 11:48:46 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet?
Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:46 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA02764; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C03441.C83C7DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: 12-Oct-00 11:49:26 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com ditto my last statement about you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next? Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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ditto my last statement about you!
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Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this
Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next?  Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead".  Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion.  Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming.  It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God.  Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net>, "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Mark >   To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM >   Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >   Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >   "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >   thus back then there were few if any." > >   What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >   inherited genetic trait. > >   "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >   There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >   such a thing? > >   Mark >   The Liberator >   E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" >   ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >   > >   >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of >   >defects caused by incestuous relations? >   > >   >Mark >   >The Liberator >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > >   >----- Original Message ----- >   >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   >Mark, >   >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in >birth >   >defects.  That is God's answer. >   > >   >-----Original Message----- >   >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com >   ><DWise1@aol.com> >   >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: >   > > >   > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >   > > >   > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >   > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >   >But >   > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >   >science? >   > > >   > >Mark >   > >The Liberator >   > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > > >   > > >   > >   > >   > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:49:25 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:48 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA03257; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007501c0347c$950389c0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> <008b01c0347c$f01263e0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:45:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C03441.E7B21460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: 12-Oct-00 11:49:55 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:49:55 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:49:10 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15990; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:49:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:50:53 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: 12-Oct-00 11:52:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka
Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill,        You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc..  The guys who get emotional always lose the argument.  Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did.  Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes.  When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration.  Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining.  Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian.  With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes.  God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it.  It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying.  You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.  Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37].  The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok.  I will stick with my belief system.  I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be.  I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists.  God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help.  I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch.  Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S.  I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win.  These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side.  So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >>>CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable.  Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you.  Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge.  Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:52:11 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:51:46 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05277; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C03442.536FDDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: 12-Oct-00 11:53:32 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Unless the correct words are handed to you by a supreme being, you would never be able to find them, which also exaplins why you are wrong all the time. = ) Thinking about using the words of Bill Clinton to represent the sanctity of marriage? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this ditto my last statement about you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next? Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this ditto my last statement about you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next? Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Unless the correct words are handed to you by a supreme being, you would never be able to find them, which also exaplins why you are wrong all the time. = ) Thinking about using the words of Bill Clinton to represent the sanctity of marriage? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this ditto my last statement about you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next?  Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead".  Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion.  Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming.  It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God.  Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net>, "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Mark >   To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM >   Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >   Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >   "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >   thus back then there were few if any." > >   What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >   inherited genetic trait. > >   "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >   There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >   such a thing? > >   Mark >   The Liberator >   E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >   >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" >   ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >   > >   >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of >   >defects caused by incestuous relations? >   > >   >Mark >   >The Liberator >   >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > >   >----- Original Message ----- >   >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   >Mark, >   >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in >birth >   >defects.  That is God's answer. >   > >   >-----Original Message----- >   >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> >   >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com >   ><DWise1@aol.com> >   >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >   >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >   > >   > >   > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: >   > > >   > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >   > > >   > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >   > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >   >But >   > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >   >science? >   > > >   > >Mark >   > >The Liberator >   > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >   > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   > > >   > > >   > >   > >   > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >   Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >   http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:55:05 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:17 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAB06917; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008a01c0347d$5c968aa0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> <008b01c0347c$f01263e0$052a03c7@liber8r> <007501c0347c$950389c0$b620113f@com> <009701c0347d$d274cc00$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:50:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C03442.AF3BED80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 12-Oct-00 11:55:14 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:56:35 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: 12-Oct-00 11:57:21 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:57:20 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:56:38 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08615; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:53:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C03443.03ED2420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Mark Twain wasn't religion-friendly Date: 12-Oct-00 12:03:27 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: MarkTwai.zip (22870 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:03:26 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:02:47 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17966; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:01:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00b301c0347f$22510580$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> <008b01c0347c$f01263e0$052a03c7@liber8r> <007501c0347c$950389c0$b620113f@com> <009701c0347d$d274cc00$052a03c7@liber8r> <008a01c0347d$5c968aa0$b620113f@com> ################################################ Subj: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 12:05:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: Trumanon.zip (22112 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:05:01 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:04:17 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18231; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:03:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00bb01c0347f$6de837c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> Subject: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:05:45 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C03455.83F4D8E0"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 12:09:47 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: freud.jpg (1190 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size -------------------- Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6
 
P.S.
 
Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:09:07 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19132; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:08:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:10:44 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C03456.36513F60"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 12:24:09 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: freud.jpg (1190 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size -------------------- Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939.  Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions.  You should thank our wonderful God! 
= ) 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Freud on the psychology of God
Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6
 
P.S.
 
Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:24:08 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:23:16 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24981; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a201c03481$66080100$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:19:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C03446.B86A4060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 12:28:44 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: freud.jpg (1190 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size -------------------- Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry?  Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure?
 
Mark
The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God
Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939.  Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions.  You should thank our wonderful God! 
= ) 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Freud on the psychology of God
Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6
 
P.S.
 
Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:30:27 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:28:46 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA28707; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b801c03482$26d41540$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> <00bb01c0347f$6de837c0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:25:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C03447.79797820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 12:49:10 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com File: freud.jpg (1190 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute Double-click picture(s) to display full size -------------------- Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life start? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry.  God made all men.  Read the Bible!  Have you ever read the Bible?  How did life start?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God
Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry?  Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure?
 
Mark
The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God
Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939.  Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions.  You should thank our wonderful God! 
= ) 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Freud on the psychology of God
Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6
 
P.S.
 
Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:49:10 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:48:49 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11213; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c401c03484$f891b540$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> <00a201c03481$66080100$b620113f@com> <00d101c03482$bc512040$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:45:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C0344A.4A3CD9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 13:40:33 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same old question "How did life start?" Where did God come from? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life start? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:40:33 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:40:02 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA33531; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:39:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00dd01c0348c$d77c7ea0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> <00a201c03481$66080100$b620113f@com> <00d101c03482$bc512040$052a03c7@liber8r> <00c401c03484$f891b540$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:41:45 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 13:44:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Truman on religious bigotry Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. -- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:44:31 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:43:52 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA33993; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00e901c0348d$513477c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> <00bb01c0347f$6de837c0$052a03c7@liber8r> <00b801c03482$26d41540$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:45:10 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Mark Twain wasn't religion-friendly Date: 12-Oct-00 13:54:08 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, you would like to pick and choose the words of a great man. You may not agree with the quotes you dismissed but they are all linked together. Christianity hides in the dark by supressing questions towards it. Science not only fields questions, science encourages them. I like Taft's quote: I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe." As for your comment on atheism... Main Entry: re·li·gion Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY Date: 13th century 1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - re·li·gion·less adjective I'm curious. Which part of the definition of religion do you think atheism falls? Keep in mind Bill, I'm not an atheist even though it holds a considerable amount of merit. How many wars have occured in history over atheism? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Mark Twain wasn't religion-friendly Atheism is as much a religion as Christianity. It takes faith to believe that God does not exist. I agree with Taft on his famous quote "There is nothing so despicable as a secret society that is based upon religious prejudice and that will attempt to defeat a man because of his religious beliefs. Such a society is like a cockroach -- it thrives in the dark. So do those who combine for such an end." That is why Bill and I are in the open about our Christian beliefs. The rest of Taft's statements are typical of a confused atheist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Mark Twain wasn't religion-friendly William Howard Taft (1857-1930) The 27th President of the U.S. (1909-1913) Tenth Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court (1921-1930) There is nothing so despicable as a secret society that is based upon religious prejudice and that will attempt to defeat a man because of his religious beliefs. Such a society is like a cockroach -- it thrives in the dark. So do those who combine for such an end. -- Address, December 20, 1914, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe. -- Letter to Yale University, on turning down an offer for its presidency, quoted from James A Haught, 2000 Years of Disbelief Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Unless the correct words are handed to you by a supreme being, you would never be able to find them, which also exaplins why you are wrong all the time. = ) Thinking about using the words of Bill Clinton to represent the sanctity of marriage? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this ditto my last statement about you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again, you prove your knucklehead status by not acknowledging the fact you wrongly used the words of an atheist to defend Christianity. What's next? Are you going to use the words of Ghandi to defend an agressive military campaign in history? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Once again a person who claims to have a higher education resorts to insults like "knucklehead". Very un-impressive. Shame on you Mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mark twain knew of this Bill, do you always quote the words of atheists to defend religion. Saying that Mark Twain was religion-friendly is like saying cats enjoy baths. Here are some other quotes by Twain you knucklehead: Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835-1910) American author, master of humor and sarcasm It was the schoolboy who said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -- Following the Equator, ch. 12, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either. -- Following the Equator, ch. 51, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" (1897) It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -- (source unknown) It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. -- (source unknown) In God We Trust. It is the choicest compliment that has ever been paid us, and the most gratifying to our feelings. It is simple, direct, gracefully phrased; it always sounds well -- In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true. -- (source unknown) Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there. -- "Thoughts of God" (last paragraph) from Fables of Man, also John S. Tuckey, ed., The Devil's Racetrack: Mark Twain's Dark Writings (p. 22) I bring you the stately matron named Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria, South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass. -- "Cristianity" A Salutation Speech from the Nineteenth Century to the Twentieth, New York, Dec. 31, 1900 The person who wrote the advertisements is without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet, also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link.... A few moments from now my resentment will have faded and passed, and I shall probably even be praying for you; but while there is yet time I hasten to wish that you may take a dose of your own poison by mistake and enter swiftly into the damnation which you and all other patent medicine assassins have so remorselessly earned and do so richly deserve. -- from an unsent letter to a patent medicine company, as reported by radio host Dr. Dean Edell and corrected (from memory) by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta (the original procession had become profession and the original earned had become gamered, according to Solatta who once posessed this letter) This is the only sane clerical the earthquake has exposed to view yet. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned. -- on the margin of a newspaper report titled "God & the Earthquake; Rabbi Says God Who Would Kill The Innocent Isn't Worthy of Worship," about an earthquake in Italy and how people were fleeing into churches and then the building would collapse in aftershocks killing the followers (contributed by Twain scholar and collector Robert Solatta) Bill, your ignorance is overwhelming. It's unfortunate for you. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:06 PM Subject: Mark twain knew of this Mark Twain sums up our two new reinds: It is not the parts of the Bible i don't understand that bothers me; it is the parts I do understand that bothers me. Bill, they know God exists, they just choose not ot honor God, give thanks to God or acknowledge God. Bill: please read Romans chapter 1, it teaches this >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0700 > >Read the word of GOD in the Bible then you will understand! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: DWise1@AOL.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > "I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, > thus back then there were few if any." > > What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an > inherited genetic trait. > > "God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > > There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create > such a thing? > > Mark > The Liberator > E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:54:07 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:53:08 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA35029; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:52:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <00ef01c0348e$a8ebcd00$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007501c0347a$a4bedc40$052a03c7@liber8r> <005301c0347b$aca39f80$b620113f@com> <008b01c0347c$f01263e0$052a03c7@liber8r> <007501c0347c$950389c0$b620113f@com> <009701c0347d$d274cc00$052a03c7@liber8r> <008a01c0347d$5c968aa0$b620113f@com> <00b301c0347f$22510580$052a03c7@liber8r> <00ad01c03482$028d9580$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Mark Twain wasn't religion-friendly Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:54:46 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by uucphost.mcs.net id PAA35029 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 14:08:32 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same old question "How did life start?" Where did God come from? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life start? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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God encompasses all.  God has and always will exist.
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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God
Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same old question "How did life start?" Where did God come from? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry.  God made all men.  Read the Bible!  Have you ever read the Bible?  How did life start? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939.  Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well.  I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not.  Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science?  How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths?  Research Osiris and the Ressurection.  Research Athena and Immaculate Conception.  As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions.  They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you.  It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question.  Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects.  That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net <billbeq@mediaone.net>; DWise1@aol.com > ><DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:08:31 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04753; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00eb01c03490$02dac2c0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> <00a201c03481$66080100$b620113f@com> <00d101c03482$bc512040$052a03c7@liber8r> <00c401c03484$f891b540$b620113f@com> <00dd01c0348c$d77c7ea0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:04:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C03455.53D4E6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 14:15:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are whacked. The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with imminent bodily harm. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Truman on religious bigotry Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. -- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are whacked.  The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with imminent bodily harm. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan
Cc: DWise1@AOL.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry
It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry I also agree with Truman's quote below.  He rocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Truman on religious bigotry Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. -- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill,        You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc..  The guys who get emotional always lose the argument.  Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did.  Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <editor@liberator.net>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <DWise1@AOL.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@AOL.com> >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes.  When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration.  Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,        "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining.  Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian.  With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes.  God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it.  It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying.  You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.  Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37].  The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >To: Mark <editor@liberator.net>; Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok.  I will stick with my belief system.  I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be.  I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists.  God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark <editor@liberator.net> > > >To: Bill Bequette <billbeq@mediaone.net>; Bill Morgan > > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com <DWise1@aol.com> > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help.  I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch.  Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S.  I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win.  These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side.  So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" <editor@liberator.net> > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > >>>CC: <DWise1@aol.com> > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable.  Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you.  Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge.  Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:13:57 -0400 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust182.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.182]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08871; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00fb01c03490$db7b4dc0$b620113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> <00bb01c0347f$6de837c0$052a03c7@liber8r> <00b801c03482$26d41540$b620113f@com> <00e901c0348d$513477c0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:10:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C03456.2E0846A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 19:05:13 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, your personal commitment to physical peace is commendable; however, your belief system is often used as a tool for seperation. It fosters an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are whacked. The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with imminent bodily harm. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Truman on religious bigotry Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. -- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements win over those that were truthful. This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of people like you. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Bill, You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. SHeeesh.... His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the ability to think past useless traditions. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >CC: >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 > >Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >at God. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 > > > >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? > >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once > >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on > >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >all > >the religions and philosophies that are available. > > > >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at > >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. > > > >= ) > > > >Thinking for the both of us, > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > >Mark, > >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking > >about > >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something > >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >your > > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. > >It's > > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >BTW, > > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >burying > > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't > >handle > > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. > > > > > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >plan > >on > > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? > > > > > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your > > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >Sabbath > > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange > >character > > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM > > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a > > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other > > >atheists. God Bless you! > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > > > > > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM > > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? > > > > > > > > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >pray > > >for > > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop > > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >jock > > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. > > >> > > >>= ) > > >> > > >>Mark > > >>The Liberator > > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >> > > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >I > > >sent > > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >Are > > >you > > >>admitting defeat so easily? > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Bequette > > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >the > > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: Bill Morgan > > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net > > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM > > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >> > > >> > > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. > > >> > > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >Origin > >of > > >>Life Mist da Mark. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: "Mark" > > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >>>CC: > > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? > > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 > > >>> > > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are > >acceptable? > > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. > > >>> > > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and > > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. > > >>> > > >>>= ) > > >>> > > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are > > >>>again. > > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are > > >>>simply > > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html > > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html > > >>> > > >>>Mark > > >>>The Liberator > > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >>> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:05:13 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:04:29 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA70728; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:03:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <011001c034ba$137574c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <007a01c0347b$4e08df80$052a03c7@liber8r> <004801c0347b$5282cee0$b620113f@com> <009101c0347d$59e96c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <007e01c0347d$00ca7b00$b620113f@com> <00bb01c0347f$6de837c0$052a03c7@liber8r> <00b801c03482$26d41540$b620113f@com> <00e901c0348d$513477c0$052a03c7@liber8r> <00fb01c03490$db7b4dc0$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:05:34 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 19:09:47 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you think he will always exist? If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way to suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with scientists who speak of the Big Bang? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same old question "How did life start?" Where did God come from? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life start? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God and a father figure? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. You should thank our wonderful God! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Freud on the psychology of God Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) Austrian psychiatrist The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted father. -- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 P.S. Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the Bible. Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except by faith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. = ) You're killing me. People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your present. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. Why do you cling to the past? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Read the Bible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you should not marry a sister. Mark: do you know what an allele is? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >time, >thus back then there were few if any." > >What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >inherited genetic trait. > >"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" > >There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >such a thing? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 > > > >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >of > >defects caused by incestuous relations? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > >Mark, > >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth > >defects. That is God's answer. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" > > > > > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow > > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. > >But > > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of > >science? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:47 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:12 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA71174; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:09:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <012001c034ba$cfd55540$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002301c033c7$9a18d100$052a03c7@liber8r> <003e01c033c7$18be3140$9720113f@com> <004f01c033c8$471f8e20$052a03c7@liber8r> <000d01c033ce$160b6920$1220113f@com> <008501c0347c$ae87d360$052a03c7@liber8r> <006c01c0347c$759ebbe0$b620113f@com> <009d01c0347e$2569fac0$052a03c7@liber8r> <009301c0347d$b147c140$b620113f@com> <00c501c03480$20e34f40$052a03c7@liber8r> <00a201c03481$66080100$b620113f@com> <00d101c03482$bc512040$052a03c7@liber8r> <00c401c03484$f891b540$b620113f@com> <00dd01c0348c$d77c7ea0$052a03c7@liber8r> <00eb01c03490$02dac2c0$b620113f@com> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:10:50 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:21:28 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you think >he will always exist? > >If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way to >suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with scientists >who speak of the Big Bang? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >old question "How did life start?" > >Where did God come from? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >start? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? >Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >and a father figure? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, >since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >You should thank our wonderful God! >= ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >Austrian psychiatrist >The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >father. >-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 > >P.S. > >Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. > >You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >Bible. > >Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >by faith. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? > >The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. > >Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... > >Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. > >= ) > >You're killing me. > >People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people >tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >present. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. > >Why do you cling to the past? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Read the Bible. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. > >I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >should not marry a sister. > >Mark: do you know what an allele is? > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >> >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >> >>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>time, >>thus back then there were few if any." >> >>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>inherited genetic trait. >> >>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >> >>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>such a thing? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >> >From: "Mark" >> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> > >> >CC: >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >> > >> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>of >> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >> > >> >Mark >> >The Liberator >> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Bill Bequette >> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> > >> > >> >Mark, >> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth >> >defects. That is God's answer. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Mark >> >To: Bill Morgan >> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >> > >> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> > >> > >> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >> > > >> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >> > > >> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. >> >But >> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >> >science? >> > > >> > >Mark >> > >The Liberator >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:21:28 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:18:23 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00379; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002b01c034c5$022a4460$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:23:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:30:10 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the same God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- the language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification theory was as spiritual as it was scientific. Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from God. In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you think >he will always exist? > >If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way to >suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with scientists >who speak of the Big Bang? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >old question "How did life start?" > >Where did God come from? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >start? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain chemistry? >Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >and a father figure? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent discoveries, >since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >You should thank our wonderful God! >= ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >Austrian psychiatrist >The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >father. >-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 > >P.S. > >Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. > >You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >Bible. > >Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >by faith. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? > >The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. > >Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... > >Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. > >= ) > >You're killing me. > >People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what people >tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >present. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. > >Why do you cling to the past? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Read the Bible. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? > > >Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. > >I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >should not marry a sister. > >Mark: do you know what an allele is? > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>CC: >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >> >>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >> >>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>time, >>thus back then there were few if any." >> >>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>inherited genetic trait. >> >>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >> >>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>such a thing? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >> >From: "Mark" >> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> > >> >CC: >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >> > >> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>of >> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >> > >> >Mark >> >The Liberator >> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Bill Bequette >> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> > >> > >> >Mark, >> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in birth >> >defects. That is God's answer. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Mark >> >To: Bill Morgan >> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >> > >> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> > >> > >> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >> > > >> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >> > > >> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth defects. >> >But >> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >> >science? >> > > >> > >Mark >> > >The Liberator >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:30:10 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:29:31 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA79775; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:29:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <015d01c034c6$0b1701c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <002b01c034c5$022a4460$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:31:10 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 20:30:16 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com I don't have that mentality. However many people who have not made a commitment to God are threatened by people who are Christians. Now if a Jew, Atheist, Christian or Catholic, etc. hassles me it will tick me off. But I am not knocking on your door. I am simply saying I believe in God. Do I have all the answers? No I do not. But I take comfort in the Bible and I do believe it is the word of God. If you disagree that is your right. What you and Morgan argue over is really a waste of time. Religion is based on emotions. Facts are there to support these emotions but it is literally impossible to sway someone away from believing in God or atheism. = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >Bill, your personal commitment to physical peace is commendable; however, >your belief system is often used as a tool for seperation. > >It fosters an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:10 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are whacked. >The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with >imminent bodily harm. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM >Subject: Truman on religious bigotry > > >Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) >The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) > >We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we >have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, >the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one >another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse >of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all >religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of >religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. >There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. >-- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The >Great Quotations on Religious Freedom >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >= ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements >win over those that were truthful. > >This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. > >Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? > >If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of >people like you. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Bill, > You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys >who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. > >SHeeesh.... > >His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more >for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, >misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. > >Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? > >If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the >ability to think past useless traditions. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Carl Pagan is sorely missed! > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> >>CC: >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 >> >>Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >>approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >>Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >>anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >>(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >>at God. >> >> >> >From: "Mark" >> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> > >> >CC: >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 >> > >> >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? >> >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once >> >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on >> >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >>all >> >the religions and philosophies that are available. >> > >> >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at >> >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. >> > >> >= ) >> > >> >Thinking for the both of us, >> > >> >Mark >> >The Liberator >> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Bill Bequette >> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > >> > >> >Mark, >> >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking >> >about >> >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something >> >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >> >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Mark >> >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> > >> >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > >> > >> > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >>your >> > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. >> >It's >> > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >>BTW, >> > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >>burying >> > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >> >handle >> > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. >> > > >> > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >>plan >> >on >> > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? >> > > >> > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >> > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >>Sabbath >> > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange >> >character >> > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! >> > > >> > >= ) >> > > >> > >Mark >> > >The Liberator >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: Bill Bequette >> > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> > >Cc: >> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > > >> > > >> > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >> > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >> > >atheists. God Bless you! >> > >Bill >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >From: Mark >> > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> > > >> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >> > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? >> > > >> > > >> > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >>pray >> > >for >> > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >> > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >>jock >> > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> > >> >> > >>= ) >> > >> >> > >>Mark >> > >>The Liberator >> > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >> > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >>I >> > >sent >> > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >>Are >> > >you >> > >>admitting defeat so easily? >> > >> >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: Bill Bequette >> > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >>the >> > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: Bill Morgan >> > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> > >> >> > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >>Origin >> >of >> > >>Life Mist da Mark. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>>From: "Mark" >> > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >> > >>>CC: >> > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >> > >>> >> > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >> >acceptable? >> > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >> > >>> >> > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >> > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >> > >>> >> > >>>= ) >> > >>> >> > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >> > >>>again. >> > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >> > >>>simply >> > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >> > >>> >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >> > >>> >> > >>>Mark >> > >>>The Liberator >> > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >> > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> >http://www.hotmail.com. >> > >> >> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> > >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:30:16 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:29:40 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06341; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003801c034c6$925225c0$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:35:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:44:00 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Well I agree with you where you say "In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God." That is a hot statement. But I feel the Bible combines a moral and historical direction about God and man from God. This is part of being human. One must come to terms with one's religious faith to be complete. The Bible was written at a time when science is not where it is at today. But it still holds tremendous value for me and millions of other people. Science and the Bible can still exist together. I find the Bible just as exciting and filled with wonderful meaning from God as much as I get thrilled when studying LaPlace Transforms, Calculus, probability and statistics, thermodynamics or reading about astronomy. All confirm God to me. If your trying to sway me from being a Christian I suggest you try elsewhere! = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the same >God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- the >language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification theory >was as spiritual as it was scientific. > >Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from God. > >In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. > >We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! > >= ) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >think >>he will always exist? >> >>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >to >>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >scientists >>who speak of the Big Bang? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >>old question "How did life start?" >> >>Where did God come from? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >>start? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >chemistry? >>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >>and a father figure? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >discoveries, >>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >>You should thank our wonderful God! >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>Austrian psychiatrist >>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>father. >>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >> >>P.S. >> >>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >> >>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>Bible. >> >>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>by faith. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >> >>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >> >>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >> >>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >> >>= ) >> >>You're killing me. >> >>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >people >>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>present. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >> >>Why do you cling to the past? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Read the Bible. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >> >>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>should not marry a sister. >> >>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> >>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>time, >>>thus back then there were few if any." >>> >>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>inherited genetic trait. >>> >>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>> >>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>such a thing? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>>of >>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth >>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> > > >>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>> > > >>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >>> >But >>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>> >science? >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.35]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:43:12 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA13749; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003f01c034c8$790a5e00$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:48:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 20:47:25 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "I don't have that mentality. However many people who have not made a commitment to God are threatened by people who are Christians." It might have something to do with ultrasimplistic scare tactics like 'If you don't believe in God, you'll rot in Hell' or equally silly phrases. "Now if a Jew, Atheist, Christian or Catholic, etc. hassles me it will tick me off. But I am not knocking on your door. I am simply saying I believe in God. Do I have all the answers? No I do not. But I take comfort in the Bible and I do believe it is the word of God." Others are entitled to think Suess books are God inspired too, for the same reason. Does that make them right too? "If you disagree that is your right. What you and Morgan argue over is really a waste of time. Religion is based on emotions. Facts are there to support these emotions but it is literally impossible to sway someone away from believing in God or atheism." What you are saying is very bold and honest. Most people would not admit that they reject enlightenment or tell others that their faith is hinged on ignorance. I commend you for your openness. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >Bill, your personal commitment to physical peace is commendable; however, >your belief system is often used as a tool for seperation. > >It fosters an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:10 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are whacked. >The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with >imminent bodily harm. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM >Subject: Truman on religious bigotry > > >Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) >The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) > >We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we >have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant denominations, >the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy one >another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse >of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all >religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of >religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. >There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. >-- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The >Great Quotations on Religious Freedom >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >= ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements >win over those that were truthful. > >This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. > >Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? > >If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of >people like you. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Bill, > You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys >who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. > >SHeeesh.... > >His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more >for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, >misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. > >Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? > >If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us the >ability to think past useless traditions. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM >Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka > > >Carl Pagan is sorely missed! > > >>From: "Mark" >>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> >>CC: >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 >> >>Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >>approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >>Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >>anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >>(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >>at God. >> >> >> >From: "Mark" >> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >> > >> >CC: >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 >> > >> >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? >> >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once >> >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on >> >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >>all >> >the religions and philosophies that are available. >> > >> >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at >> >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. >> > >> >= ) >> > >> >Thinking for the both of us, >> > >> >Mark >> >The Liberator >> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Bill Bequette >> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> >Cc: >> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > >> > >> >Mark, >> >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking >> >about >> >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something >> >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks in > >> >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Mark >> >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> > >> >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM >> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > >> > >> > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >>your >> > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. >> >It's >> > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >>BTW, >> > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >>burying >> > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >> >handle >> > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. >> > > >> > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >>plan >> >on >> > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? >> > > >> > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may your >> > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >>Sabbath >> > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange >> >character >> > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! >> > > >> > >= ) >> > > >> > >Mark >> > >The Liberator >> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: Bill Bequette >> > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >> > >Cc: >> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >> > > >> > > >> > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >> > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >> > >atheists. God Bless you! >> > >Bill >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >From: Mark >> > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> > > >> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >> > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? >> > > >> > > >> > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >>pray >> > >for >> > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't stop >> > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >>jock >> > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >> > >> >> > >>= ) >> > >> >> > >>Mark >> > >>The Liberator >> > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >> >> > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >>I >> > >sent >> > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >>Are >> > >you >> > >>admitting defeat so easily? >> > >> >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: Bill Bequette >> > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >>the >> > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: Bill Morgan >> > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >> > >> >> > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >>Origin >> >of >> > >>Life Mist da Mark. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>>From: "Mark" >> > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >> > >>>CC: >> > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >> > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >> > >>> >> > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >> >acceptable? >> > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >> > >>> >> > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >> > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >> > >>> >> > >>>= ) >> > >>> >> > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they are >> > >>>again. >> > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you are >> > >>>simply >> > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >> > >>> >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >> > >>> >> > >>>Mark >> > >>>The Liberator >> > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >> > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >> > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> >http://www.hotmail.com. >> > >> >> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> > >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:47:25 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:46:28 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA81774; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:46:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <016401c034c8$67674aa0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <003801c034c6$925225c0$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:48:04 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:48:33 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Well he believed in God from studying science and he was a Jew who follow the Bible except he thought Jesus was just a good Rabbi. I don't see him not being religious? Though I disagree with him on Jesus just being a good Rabbi. I would say we believed in the same God. -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the same >God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- the >language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification theory >was as spiritual as it was scientific. > >Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from God. > >In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. > >We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! > >= ) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >think >>he will always exist? >> >>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >to >>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >scientists >>who speak of the Big Bang? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >>old question "How did life start?" >> >>Where did God come from? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >>start? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >chemistry? >>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >>and a father figure? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >discoveries, >>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >>You should thank our wonderful God! >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>Austrian psychiatrist >>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>father. >>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >> >>P.S. >> >>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >> >>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>Bible. >> >>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>by faith. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >> >>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >> >>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >> >>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >> >>= ) >> >>You're killing me. >> >>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >people >>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>present. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >> >>Why do you cling to the past? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Read the Bible. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >> >>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>should not marry a sister. >> >>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> >>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>time, >>>thus back then there were few if any." >>> >>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>inherited genetic trait. >>> >>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>> >>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>such a thing? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>>of >>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth >>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> > > >>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>> > > >>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >>> >But >>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>> >science? >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:48:33 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:48:07 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA16313; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004201c034c9$26a6a460$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 20:50:40 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Sorry you need to read carefully what I say. "Most people would not admit that they reject enlightenment or tell others that their faith is hinged on ignorance. " This quote by you stating what I said is completely wrong. But I have known your wrong all along. = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"I don't have that mentality. However many people who have not made a >commitment to God are threatened by people who are Christians." > >It might have something to do with ultrasimplistic scare tactics like 'If >you don't believe in God, you'll rot in Hell' or equally silly phrases. > >"Now if a Jew, Atheist, Christian or Catholic, etc. hassles me it will tick >me off. But I am not knocking on your door. I am simply saying I believe >in God. Do I have all the answers? No I do not. But I take comfort in the >Bible and I do believe it is the word of God." > >Others are entitled to think Suess books are God inspired too, for the same >reason. Does that make them right too? > >"If you disagree that is your right. What you and Morgan argue over is >really a waste of time. Religion is based on emotions. Facts are there to >support these emotions but it is literally impossible to sway someone away >from believing in God or atheism." > >What you are saying is very bold and honest. Most people would not admit >that they reject enlightenment or tell others that their faith is hinged on >ignorance. I commend you for your openness. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:04 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >>Bill, your personal commitment to physical peace is commendable; however, >>your belief system is often used as a tool for seperation. >> >>It fosters an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:10 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are >whacked. >>The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with >>imminent bodily harm. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM >>Subject: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) >>The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) >> >>We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we >>have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant >denominations, >>the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy >one >>another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse >>of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all >>religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of >>religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. >>There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. >>-- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The >>Great Quotations on Religious Freedom >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements >>win over those that were truthful. >> >>This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. >> >>Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? >> >>If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of >>people like you. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Bill, >> You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys >>who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. >> >>SHeeesh.... >> >>His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more >>for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, >>misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. >> >>Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? >> >>If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us >the >>ability to think past useless traditions. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >>>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>> >>> >>>That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >>>approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Morgan >>>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >>>Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka >>> >>> >>>Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >>>anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >>>(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >>>at God. >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? >>> >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once >>> >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on >>> >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >>>all >>> >the religions and philosophies that are available. >>> > >>> >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at >>> >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. >>> > >>> >= ) >>> > >>> >Thinking for the both of us, >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking >>> >about >>> >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something >>> >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks >in >> >>> >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>> > >>> >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >>>your >>> > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. >>> >It's >>> > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >>>BTW, >>> > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >>>burying >>> > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >>> >handle >>> > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. >>> > > >>> > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >>>plan >>> >on >>> > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? >>> > > >>> > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may >your >>> > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >>>Sabbath >>> > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange >>> >character >>> > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! >>> > > >>> > >= ) >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > >----- Original Message ----- >>> > >From: Bill Bequette >>> > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> > >Cc: >>> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >>> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >>> > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >>> > >atheists. God Bless you! >>> > >Bill >>> > > >>> > >-----Original Message----- >>> > >From: Mark >>> > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>> > > >>> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >>> > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >>>pray >>> > >for >>> > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't >stop >>> > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >>>jock >>> > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >>> > >> >>> > >>= ) >>> > >> >>> > >>Mark >>> > >>The Liberator >>> > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >> >>> > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >>>I >>> > >sent >>> > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >>>Are >>> > >you >>> > >>admitting defeat so easily? >>> > >> >>> > >>----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>From: Bill Bequette >>> > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >>>the >>> > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>> > >>----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>From: Bill Morgan >>> > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >>> > >> >>> > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >>>Origin >>> >of >>> > >>Life Mist da Mark. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>From: "Mark" >>> > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>> > >>>CC: >>> > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> > >>> >>> > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >>> >acceptable? >>> > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>> > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>= ) >>> > >>> >>> > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they >are >>> > >>>again. >>> > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you >are >>> > >>>simply >>> > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> > >>> >>> > >>>Mark >>> > >>>The Liberator >>> > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>>>________________________________________________________________________ _ >>> > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>> >http://www.hotmail.com. >>> > >> >>> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>> > >>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:50:40 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:50:19 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17521; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004701c034c9$7748bb60$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:55:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:53:09 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "But I feel the Bible combines a moral and historical direction about God and man from God." Why is it any more special than any other book? Do you simply believe people when they tell you it was God-inspired? If so, couldn't the text I am writing be God-inspired as well? No? How do you determine when something is God-inspired or not? What is the test? "This is part of being human. One must come to terms with one's religious faith to be complete. The Bible was written at a time when science is not where it is at today. But it still holds tremendous value for me and millions of other people." It is not interesting to me. I would rather have a boring bowel movement than read the Bible -- no offense. I might even use some pages for toilet paper, making the Bible actually serve a grander purpose. "Science and the Bible can still exist together. I find the Bible just as exciting and filled with wonderful meaning from God as much as I get thrilled when studying LaPlace Transforms, Calculus, probability and statistics, thermodynamics or reading about astronomy. All confirm God to me." The Bible confirms imagination and some crude insights into social behavior. Modern science is far superior. Science actually helps people. "If your trying to sway me from being a Christian I suggest you try elsewhere!" I write not to convince you to embrace science, only to inform you of another man's views. It's your call what you do with them. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the same >God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- the >language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification theory >was as spiritual as it was scientific. > >Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from God. > >In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. > >We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! > >= ) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >think >>he will always exist? >> >>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >to >>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >scientists >>who speak of the Big Bang? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >>old question "How did life start?" >> >>Where did God come from? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >>start? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >chemistry? >>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >>and a father figure? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >discoveries, >>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >>You should thank our wonderful God! >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>Austrian psychiatrist >>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>father. >>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >> >>P.S. >> >>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >> >>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>Bible. >> >>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>by faith. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >> >>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >> >>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >> >>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >> >>= ) >> >>You're killing me. >> >>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >people >>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>present. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >> >>Why do you cling to the past? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Read the Bible. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >> >>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>should not marry a sister. >> >>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> >>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>time, >>>thus back then there were few if any." >>> >>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>inherited genetic trait. >>> >>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>> >>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>such a thing? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>>of >>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth >>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> > > >>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>> > > >>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >>> >But >>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>> >science? >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:53:09 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:52:39 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA82391; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:52:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <016701c034c9$4651a300$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <003f01c034c8$790a5e00$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:54:22 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 20:55:35 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED TWO QUESTIONS: 1. How did life start? 2. What are your religious views? -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"But I feel the Bible combines a moral and historical direction about God >and man from God." > >Why is it any more special than any other book? Do you simply believe >people when they tell you it was God-inspired? If so, couldn't the text I >am writing be God-inspired as well? No? How do you determine when >something is God-inspired or not? What is the test? > >"This is part of being human. One must come to terms with one's religious >faith to be complete. The Bible was written at a time when science is not >where it is at today. But it still holds tremendous value for me and >millions of other people." > >It is not interesting to me. I would rather have a boring bowel movement >than read the Bible -- no offense. I might even use some pages for toilet >paper, making the Bible actually serve a grander purpose. > >"Science and the Bible can still exist together. I find the Bible just as >exciting and filled with wonderful meaning from God as much as I get >thrilled when studying LaPlace Transforms, Calculus, probability and >statistics, thermodynamics or reading about astronomy. All confirm God to >me." > >The Bible confirms imagination and some crude insights into social behavior. >Modern science is far superior. Science actually helps people. > >"If your trying to sway me from being a Christian I suggest you try >elsewhere!" > >I write not to convince you to embrace science, only to inform you of >another man's views. It's your call what you do with them. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the >same >>God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >>firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >>studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >>felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- >the >>language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification >theory >>was as spiritual as it was scientific. >> >>Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from >God. >> >>In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. >> >>We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >>Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >>discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >>dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >>been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >>created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >>such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >>Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >>confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >>is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! >> >>= ) >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >>think >>>he will always exist? >>> >>>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >>to >>>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >>scientists >>>who speak of the Big Bang? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the >same >>>old question "How did life start?" >>> >>>Where did God come from? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did >life >>>start? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >>chemistry? >>>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian >God >>>and a father figure? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time >as >>>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >>discoveries, >>>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical >interactions. >>>You should thank our wonderful God! >>>= ) >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>>Austrian psychiatrist >>>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>>father. >>>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >>> >>>P.S. >>> >>>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >>> >>>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>>Bible. >>> >>>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>>by faith. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >>> >>>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >>> >>>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as >mankind >>>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >>> >>>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually >stolen >>>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>You're killing me. >>> >>>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >>people >>>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>>present. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >>> >>>Why do you cling to the past? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Read the Bible. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Morgan >>>To: ; >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >>> >>>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>>should not marry a sister. >>> >>>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >>> >>> >>>>From: "Mark" >>>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>>CC: >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>>> >>>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>> >>>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>>time, >>>>thus back then there were few if any." >>>> >>>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>>inherited genetic trait. >>>> >>>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>>> >>>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>>such a thing? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: "Mark" >>>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>>> > >>>> >CC: >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>>> > >>>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light >>>>of >>>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>>> > >>>> >Mark >>>> >The Liberator >>>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: Bill Bequette >>>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>> >Cc: >>>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Mark, >>>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >>birth >>>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>>> > >>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: Mark >>>> >To: Bill Morgan >>>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>>> > >>>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>>> > > >>>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >>defects. >>>> >But >>>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>>> >science? >>>> > > >>>> > >Mark >>>> > >The Liberator >>>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>>________________________________________________________________________ _ >>>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>>> >>>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:55:35 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:54:58 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19806; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401c034ca$1d130dc0$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:00:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 21:51:01 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Scientifically speaking, it appears that life evolved from amino acids. I believe in the integration of all disciplines, which includes various religions. I do not follow one branch of religion. Doing so would not allow me to see the whole beauty of the full tree of knowledge. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED TWO QUESTIONS: 1. How did life start? 2. What are your religious views? -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"But I feel the Bible combines a moral and historical direction about God >and man from God." > >Why is it any more special than any other book? Do you simply believe >people when they tell you it was God-inspired? If so, couldn't the text I >am writing be God-inspired as well? No? How do you determine when >something is God-inspired or not? What is the test? > >"This is part of being human. One must come to terms with one's religious >faith to be complete. The Bible was written at a time when science is not >where it is at today. But it still holds tremendous value for me and >millions of other people." > >It is not interesting to me. I would rather have a boring bowel movement >than read the Bible -- no offense. I might even use some pages for toilet >paper, making the Bible actually serve a grander purpose. > >"Science and the Bible can still exist together. I find the Bible just as >exciting and filled with wonderful meaning from God as much as I get >thrilled when studying LaPlace Transforms, Calculus, probability and >statistics, thermodynamics or reading about astronomy. All confirm God to >me." > >The Bible confirms imagination and some crude insights into social behavior. >Modern science is far superior. Science actually helps people. > >"If your trying to sway me from being a Christian I suggest you try >elsewhere!" > >I write not to convince you to embrace science, only to inform you of >another man's views. It's your call what you do with them. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the >same >>God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >>firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >>studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >>felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- >the >>language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification >theory >>was as spiritual as it was scientific. >> >>Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from >God. >> >>In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. >> >>We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >>Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >>discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >>dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >>been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >>created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >>such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >>Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >>confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >>is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! >> >>= ) >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >>think >>>he will always exist? >>> >>>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >>to >>>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >>scientists >>>who speak of the Big Bang? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the >same >>>old question "How did life start?" >>> >>>Where did God come from? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did >life >>>start? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >>chemistry? >>>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian >God >>>and a father figure? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time >as >>>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >>discoveries, >>>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical >interactions. >>>You should thank our wonderful God! >>>= ) >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>>Austrian psychiatrist >>>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>>father. >>>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >>> >>>P.S. >>> >>>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >>> >>>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>>Bible. >>> >>>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>>by faith. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >>> >>>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >>> >>>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as >mankind >>>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >>> >>>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually >stolen >>>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>You're killing me. >>> >>>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >>people >>>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>>present. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >>> >>>Why do you cling to the past? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Read the Bible. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Morgan >>>To: ; >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >>> >>>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >>> >>>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>>should not marry a sister. >>> >>>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >>> >>> >>>>From: "Mark" >>>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>>CC: >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>>> >>>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>> >>>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>>time, >>>>thus back then there were few if any." >>>> >>>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>>inherited genetic trait. >>>> >>>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>>> >>>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>>such a thing? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >From: "Mark" >>>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>>> > >>>> >CC: >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>>> > >>>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >light >>>>of >>>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>>> > >>>> >Mark >>>> >The Liberator >>>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: Bill Bequette >>>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>> >Cc: >>>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Mark, >>>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >>birth >>>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>>> > >>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: Mark >>>> >To: Bill Morgan >>>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>>> > >>>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>>> > > >>>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >>defects. >>>> >But >>>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>>> >science? >>>> > > >>>> > >Mark >>>> > >The Liberator >>>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>>________________________________________________________________________ _ >>>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>>> >>>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:51:01 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:50:23 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA88422; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:50:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <018401c034d1$56f3c780$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <005401c034ca$1d130dc0$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:52:06 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: 12-Oct-00 21:53:31 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Bill, once again you dodged my questions. It seems to be a regular habit with you and most other Christians. You wrote, "Religion is based on emotions. Facts are there to support these emotions but it is literally impossible to sway someone away from believing in God or atheism." It seems to me that you are saying that there is literally no rhyme or reason to your belief system. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Sorry you need to read carefully what I say. "Most people would not admit that they reject enlightenment or tell others that their faith is hinged on ignorance. " This quote by you stating what I said is completely wrong. But I have known your wrong all along. = ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"I don't have that mentality. However many people who have not made a >commitment to God are threatened by people who are Christians." > >It might have something to do with ultrasimplistic scare tactics like 'If >you don't believe in God, you'll rot in Hell' or equally silly phrases. > >"Now if a Jew, Atheist, Christian or Catholic, etc. hassles me it will tick >me off. But I am not knocking on your door. I am simply saying I believe >in God. Do I have all the answers? No I do not. But I take comfort in the >Bible and I do believe it is the word of God." > >Others are entitled to think Suess books are God inspired too, for the same >reason. Does that make them right too? > >"If you disagree that is your right. What you and Morgan argue over is >really a waste of time. Religion is based on emotions. Facts are there to >support these emotions but it is literally impossible to sway someone away >from believing in God or atheism." > >What you are saying is very bold and honest. Most people would not admit >that they reject enlightenment or tell others that their faith is hinged on >ignorance. I commend you for your openness. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:04 PM >Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry > > >>Bill, your personal commitment to physical peace is commendable; however, >>your belief system is often used as a tool for seperation. >> >>It fosters an 'us' versus 'them' mentality. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:10 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>I agree that people who incite violence in the name of religion are >whacked. >>The only time I would get violent is if my family or I were threatened with >>imminent bodily harm. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>It's amazing what gains we can make when religions are tempered. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM >>Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>I also agree with Truman's quote below. He rocks. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:05 PM >>Subject: Truman on religious bigotry >> >> >>Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) >>The 33rd president of the United States (1945-1953) >> >>We have gone a long way toward civilization and religious tolerance, and we >>have a good example in this country. Here the many Protestant >denominations, >>the Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church do not seek to destroy >one >>another in physical violence just because they do not interpret every verse >>of the Bible in exactly the same way. Here we now have the freedom of all >>religions, and I hope that never again will we have a repetition of >>religious bigotry, as we have had in certain periods of our own history. >>There is no room for that kind of foolishness here. >>-- Mr. Citizen, 1960, pp. 98-99, from Albert J. Menendez and Edd Doerr, The >>Great Quotations on Religious Freedom >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:48 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:50 AM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Only in the upsidedown world of Christianity would error-filled statements >>win over those that were truthful. >> >>This is the exact reason why Christianity preserves ignorance. >> >>Do untruthful speakers always win under the rules of Christianity? >> >>If Jesus were alive and well today, Christians would reject him because of >>people like you. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:36 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Bill, >> You notice how Mark has to use words like "idiot", etc.. The guys >>who get emotional always lose the argument. Mark you lose. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:36 AM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Dr. Carl Sagan was not a Pagan you idiot. >> >>SHeeesh.... >> >>His efforts on behalf of advancing science and science education did more >>for mankind than Christianity ever did. Christianity is misunderstood, >>misapplied and that's exactly how Christian leaders like it. >> >>Why break a religious tradition that's thousands of years old? >> >>If you are going to thank God for anything, BIll, thank it for giving us >the >>ability to think past useless traditions. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:03 PM >>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >> >> >>Carl Pagan is sorely missed! >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0500 >>> >>>Bill, Sagan is proof that you are wrong. >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:39 PM >>>Subject: Re: I'm gonna get you sucka >>> >>> >>>That's ok there are no aethists in foxholes. When old age and death >>>approach watch these guys become Christians fast!!! >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Morgan >>>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:33 PM >>>Subject: I'm gonna get you sucka >>> >>> >>>Buddy, I don't think Mark is spening energy as much as he is venting his >>>anger and frustration. Something in his life did not work out as planned >>>(welcome to the club) and his method of dealing with it is to shake a fist >>>at God. >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:17:48 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, who said spending energy attacking Christianity wasn't positive? >>> >Hell, I think it's time well spent, not to mention entertaining. Once >>> >people see Christianity for what it really is -- a headlock/deathgrip on >>> >ignorance -- they'll be in a hurry to take a wider view and sample from >>>all >>> >the religions and philosophies that are available. >>> > >>> >Your inability and unwillingness to respond to the issues at >>> >www.liberator.net/ulc/ does not go without notice. >>> > >>> >= ) >>> > >>> >Thinking for the both of us, >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:13 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You would be a great Christian. With all the energy you spend talking >>> >about >>> >why Christianity is false instead if you could concentrate on something >>> >positive like donating time to the Boy Scouts or helping out old folks >in >> >>> >convalescent homes. God Bless you, Bill >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>> > >>> >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:07 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill, if praying for me makes you feel better, then go for it. It's >>>your >>> > >right to spend your time praying to fictional characters and deities. >>> >It's >>> > >your right to drill a hole in your own head with a power drill too. >>>BTW, >>> > >the drill is slightly less painful than the praying. You keep on >>>burying >>> > >your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Some people can't >>> >handle >>> > >the truth and often leave the big issues for others. >>> > > >>> > >Any thoughts on the articles at http://liberator.net/ulc/ or do you >>>plan >>> >on >>> > >ignoring those works like the other Bill? >>> > > >>> > >Oh yea, may a Roman never crucify you to make you a martyr and may >your >>> > >fictitious God never have you stoned to death for working on the >>>Sabbath >>> > >[see Numbers 15:32-37]. The Christian God is one helluva strange >>> >character >>> > >indeed -- fickle to say the least! >>> > > >>> > >= ) >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > >----- Original Message ----- >>> > >From: Bill Bequette >>> > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> > >Cc: >>> > >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:34 PM >>> > >Subject: Re: Does God Take Sides? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >That's ok. I will stick with my belief system. I am proud to be a >>> > >Christian and always will be. I will pray for you and all the other >>> > >atheists. God Bless you! >>> > >Bill >>> > > >>> > >-----Original Message----- >>> > >From: Mark >>> > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>> > > >>> > >Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:56 AM >>> > >Subject: Does God Take Sides? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>Before football games and battles, participants on both sides often >>>pray >>> > >for >>> > >>help. I guess God takes sides on these petty issues but he can't >stop >>> > >>planes from crashing, little kids from getting cancer and annoying >>>jock >>> > >>itch. Your belief system is quite amusing. >>> > >> >>> > >>= ) >>> > >> >>> > >>Mark >>> > >>The Liberator >>> > >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >> >>> > >>P.S. I noticed that you have no intelligent comment for the webpages >>>I >>> > >sent >>> > >>to you [see http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ for some of those pages]. >>>Are >>> > >you >>> > >>admitting defeat so easily? >>> > >> >>> > >>----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>From: Bill Bequette >>> > >>To: Bill Morgan ; editor@liberator.net >>> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:29 PM >>> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>Bill remember the Lord helped you win. These guys have no hope when >>>the >>> > >>Lord is on your side. So go easy. >>> > >>----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>From: Bill Morgan >>> > >>To: editor@liberator.net ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>> > >>Cc: DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:19 PM >>> > >>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>See Bill, I am winning again so he must regresst opersonal insults. >>> > >> >>> > >>I am still waiting for you to provideyour best explantion on the >>>Origin >>> >of >>> > >>Life Mist da Mark. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>From: "Mark" >>> > >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>> > >>>CC: >>> > >>>Subject: Re: What's 'dog' spelled backwards? >>> > >>>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:03:35 -0500 >>> > >>> >>> > >>>Bill, I guess Jesus jokes are off limits but mother jokes are >>> >acceptable? >>> > >>>Spoken like a typical Christian hypocrite. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>If Christianity was never invented, life wouldn't be so humorous and >>> > >>>consequently so enjoyable. Sorry, a devil made me write that. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>= ) >>> > >>> >>> > >>>BTW, you people keep ignoring the websites I give you. Here they >are >>> > >>>again. >>> > >>>Either you guys are too slow to be able to understand them or you >are >>> > >>>simply >>> > >>>too intimidated by a challenge. Either way, I understand. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/GodInside.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/crevevo1.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/SloanGary/Jesus.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/digital.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/articles/StosselBelief0.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/Hell.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/ReligiousParrots.html >>> > >>>http://www.liberator.net/ulc/WhatControls.html >>> > >>> >>> > >>>Mark >>> > >>>The Liberator >>> > >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>>>________________________________________________________________________ _ >>> > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>> >http://www.hotmail.com. >>> > >> >>> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>> > >>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:53:31 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:53:03 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA88614; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:52:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <018901c034d1$b5cb9080$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <004701c034c9$7748bb60$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Truman on religious bigotry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:54:45 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 21:57:09 Pacific Daylight Time From: editor@liberator.net (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com I didn't say he wasn't a religious man. However, I doubt he could have followed any particular faith. His religion was science. Einstein got into a heated debate with Bohr when Bohr told his theories of a probabilistic universe. Einstein reported something to the effect of "God doesn't roll dice." Later, Einstein accepted Bohr's theories. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Well he believed in God from studying science and he was a Jew who follow the Bible except he thought Jesus was just a good Rabbi. I don't see him not being religious? Though I disagree with him on Jesus just being a good Rabbi. I would say we believed in the same God. -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the same >God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was a >firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- the >language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification theory >was as spiritual as it was scientific. > >Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from God. > >In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. > >We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand the >Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply have >been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have faith >such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our universe >is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! > >= ) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >think >>he will always exist? >> >>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >to >>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this is >>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >scientists >>who speak of the Big Bang? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the same >>old question "How did life start?" >> >>Where did God come from? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. God >>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did life >>start? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >chemistry? >>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian God >>and a father figure? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time as >>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >discoveries, >>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical interactions. >>You should thank our wonderful God! >>= ) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>Austrian psychiatrist >>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>father. >>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >> >>P.S. >> >>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >> >>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called the >>Bible. >> >>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained except >>by faith. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >> >>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >> >>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as mankind >>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >> >>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually stolen >>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a birth >>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >> >>= ) >> >>You're killing me. >> >>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >people >>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>present. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >> >>Why do you cling to the past? >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Bequette >>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Read the Bible. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill Morgan >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >> >> >>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >> >>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>should not marry a sister. >> >>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >> >> >>>From: "Mark" >>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>> >>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> >>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>time, >>>thus back then there were few if any." >>> >>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>inherited genetic trait. >>> >>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>> >>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>such a thing? >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>> >From: "Mark" >>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>> > >>> >CC: >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>> > >>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in light >>>of >>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>> > >>> >Mark >>> >The Liberator >>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Bill Bequette >>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> >Mark, >>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >birth >>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Mark >>> >To: Bill Morgan >>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>> > >>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>> > >>> > >>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>> > > >>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>> > > >>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >defects. >>> >But >>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>> >science? >>> > > >>> > >Mark >>> > >The Liberator >>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:57:09 -0400 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:56:42 -0400 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA89083; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:56:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from editor@liberator.net) Message-ID: <018e01c034d2$396e99a0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: References: <004201c034c9$26a6a460$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:58:26 -0500 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: 12-Oct-00 22:16:11 Pacific Daylight Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: editor@liberator.net (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) CC: DWise1@AOL.com Comments Morgan? -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan Cc: DWise1@AOL.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >Scientifically speaking, it appears that life evolved from amino acids. > >I believe in the integration of all disciplines, which includes various >religions. I do not follow one branch of religion. Doing so would not >allow me to see the whole beauty of the full tree of knowledge. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:00 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED TWO QUESTIONS: >1. How did life start? >2. What are your religious views? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan > >Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:52 PM >Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God > > >>Bill Bequette , you wrote: >> >>"But I feel the Bible combines a moral and historical direction about God >>and man from God." >> >>Why is it any more special than any other book? Do you simply believe >>people when they tell you it was God-inspired? If so, couldn't the text I >>am writing be God-inspired as well? No? How do you determine when >>something is God-inspired or not? What is the test? >> >>"This is part of being human. One must come to terms with one's religious >>faith to be complete. The Bible was written at a time when science is not >>where it is at today. But it still holds tremendous value for me and >>millions of other people." >> >>It is not interesting to me. I would rather have a boring bowel movement >>than read the Bible -- no offense. I might even use some pages for toilet >>paper, making the Bible actually serve a grander purpose. >> >>"Science and the Bible can still exist together. I find the Bible just as >>exciting and filled with wonderful meaning from God as much as I get >>thrilled when studying LaPlace Transforms, Calculus, probability and >>statistics, thermodynamics or reading about astronomy. All confirm God to >>me." >> >>The Bible confirms imagination and some crude insights into social >behavior. >>Modern science is far superior. Science actually helps people. >> >>"If your trying to sway me from being a Christian I suggest you try >>elsewhere!" >> >>I write not to convince you to embrace science, only to inform you of >>another man's views. It's your call what you do with them. >> >>= ) >> >>Mark >>The Liberator >>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark >>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >> >>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >> >> >>>Bill, I hate to disappoint you but Einstein didn't believe in quite the >>same >>>God you believe in. He wasn't too keen on the whole faith issue. He was >a >>>firm believer in science. Like ancient thinkers, Einstein too believed by >>>studying science, one learns about God since God created the Universe. He >>>felt a direct connection to God from studying science and mathematics -- >>the >>>language of God. It is my opinion that his quest for the unification >>theory >>>was as spiritual as it was scientific. >>> >>>Only simplistic religionists feel that science is somehow separate from >>God. >>> >>>In my opinion, God is the Universe. By studying it, we study God. >>> >>>We can fall down and think that our brains are too simple to understand >the >>>Universe and succumb to mythical stories to pacify ourselves or we can >>>discover life's beauty, which MUST include science. >>> >>>Mark >>>The Liberator >>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Bill Bequette >>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:23 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>Well there are theories(String theory and others) put forth that multiple >>>dimensions exist and that since time is a dimension that it may simply >have >>>been a singularity due to a black hole etc. and at some point we were all >>>created when the dimensions unfolded. At some point you have to have >faith >>>such as most of the great minds such as Einstein who was Jewish and Isaac >>>Newton did(Though he went off the deep end to a degree). When they were >>>confronted with all the overwhelming evidence of how fantastic our >universe >>>is they realized a God has to exist. I am surprised you don't! >>> >>>= ) >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark >>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>> >>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:09 PM >>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>> >>> >>>>What evidence do you have that God has always existed? What makes you >>>think >>>>he will always exist? >>>> >>>>If God is the creator of the Universe, why did he create it in such a way >>>to >>>>suggest there was a mighty explosion of material? Did God create the >>>>Universe in an explosion, like the theory called the Big Bang? If this >is >>>>possible, then why is it necessary for religionists to argue with >>>scientists >>>>who speak of the Big Bang? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 4:04 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>God encompasses all. God has and always will exist. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:41 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>Bill, it's humorous how you run away from my questions and head to the >>same >>>>old question "How did life start?" >>>> >>>>Where did God come from? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:45 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>Any interaction will obviously in some way alter the brain chemistry. >God >>>>made all men. Read the Bible! Have you ever read the Bible? How did >>life >>>>start? >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:29 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>Bill, are you saying that social interactions cannot affect brain >>>chemistry? >>>>Are you also saying that there is no relationship between the Christian >>God >>>>and a father figure? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:19 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>Old Sigmund is a dicredited, cocaine sniffing fraud from an earlier time >>as >>>>you show below i.e. he died in 1939. Read up on all the recent >>>discoveries, >>>>since 1939, about how the human brain works based on chemical >>interactions. >>>>You should thank our wonderful God! >>>>= ) >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10 PM >>>>Subject: Freud on the psychology of God >>>> >>>> >>>>Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) >>>>Austrian psychiatrist >>>>The psychoanalysis of individual human beings, however, teaches us with >>>>quite special insistence that the god of each of them is formed in the >>>>likeness of his father, that his personal relation to God depends on his >>>>relation to his father in the flesh and oscillates and changes along with >>>>that relation, and that at bottom God is nothing other than an exalted >>>>father. >>>>-- Totem and Taboo, pt. 4, sct. 6 >>>> >>>>P.S. >>>> >>>>Bill, you utter meaningless phrases like only babbling Christians do so >>>>well. I have faith in reason, hard work, and ethics. >>>> >>>>You, on the other hand, limit yourself to a single manmade text called >the >>>>Bible. >>>> >>>>Which sounds more fruitful and positive to you? >>>> >>>>= ) >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:44 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>You either have faith or you do not. Some things are not explained >except >>>>by faith. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:46 AM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Bill, you think the Bible encompasses the past, present and future better >>>>than science? How do vague statements clarify the truth? >>>> >>>>The Bible does a good job doing one thing: maintaining ignorance. >>>> >>>>Why else would people like you insist upon Bible literalism such as >>mankind >>>>being descendants of Adam and Eve, Noah creating an ark and gathering all >>>>animals to fill it, Immaculate Conception, the Resurrection, ... >>>> >>>>Do you realize that those same Bible myths you cherish were actually >>stolen >>>>from older myths? Research Osiris and the Ressurection. Research Athena >>>>and Immaculate Conception. As a matter of fact, the whole virgin birth >>>>story is a common theme with many religions. They signify more of a >birth >>>>of mankind than they do anything else you knothead. >>>> >>>>= ) >>>> >>>>You're killing me. >>>> >>>>People believe in prepackaged myths because it's easy to believe what >>>people >>>>tell you. It's much harder to discover things on your own; however, >>>>discovery may be harder but it is much more rewarding. >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:56 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Because it encompasses the past, present and future better than just your >>>>present. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:14 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Give me some reasons to read that manmade text over any other. >>>> >>>>Why do you cling to the past? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Bequette >>>>To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:06 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Read the Bible. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Mark >>>>To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net >>>>Cc: DWise1@AOL.com >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:09 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Bill, substantiate your claim that God provided the 'perfect' code. >>>> >>>>Mark >>>>The Liberator >>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Bill Morgan >>>>To: ; >>>>Cc: >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AM >>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>> >>>> >>>>Of course god creaed a perfect genetic code. >>>> >>>>I am really excited to hear what you say regarding why biologically you >>>>should not marry a sister. >>>> >>>>Mark: do you know what an allele is? >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Mark" >>>>>To: "Bill Morgan" , >>>>>CC: >>>>>Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the planet? >>>>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>"I answered that already didn't you read it....mutations increase over >>>>>time, >>>>>thus back then there were few if any." >>>>> >>>>>What you fail to acknowledge is that a mutation is different from an >>>>>inherited genetic trait. >>>>> >>>>>"God made a nice clean defect free genetic code!" >>>>> >>>>>There is no such thing as a perfect genetic code so how could God create >>>>>such a thing? >>>>> >>>>>Mark >>>>>The Liberator >>>>>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>>Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >From: "Mark" >>>>> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >>>>> > >>>>> >CC: >>>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the >planet? >>>>> >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0500 >>>>> > >>>>> >Bill, then how do you explain Adam and Eve populating humankind in >>light >>>>>of >>>>> >defects caused by incestuous relations? >>>>> > >>>>> >Mark >>>>> >The Liberator >>>>> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>>> > >>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >From: Bill Bequette >>>>> >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan >>>>> >Cc: >>>>> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:22 PM >>>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the >planet? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >Mark, >>>>> >You answered your own question. Incestuous relationships result in >>>birth >>>>> >defects. That is God's answer. >>>>> > >>>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>>> >From: Mark >>>>> >To: Bill Morgan >>>>> >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >>>>> > >>>>> >Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:41 PM >>>>> >Subject: Re: Did God allow incestuous relations to populate the >planet? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > >"Please answer the question Mark: is incest wrong?" >>>>> > > >>>>> > >If the Christian God knew anything about science, it would not allow >>>>> > >incestuous relations due to the increased probability of birth >>>defects. >>>>> >But >>>>> > >why should we maintain that a mythical entity be knowledgeable of >>>>> >science? >>>>> > > >>>>> > >Mark >>>>> > >The Liberator >>>>> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >>>>> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________________________________ _ >_ >>>>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. >>>>> >>>>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________________________________________________ _ >>>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>>> >>>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:16:11 -0400 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:15:50 -0400 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05767; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005f01c034d5$5f912500$4d99fea9@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" Cc: Subject: Re: Freud on the psychology of God Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:20:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################