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Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
Date: 12/13/2000 08:18:46 Pacific Standard Time
From: DWise1
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1
CC: editor@liberator.net
>>I demand a recount!!!
The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<<
PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can
resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion!
But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible
statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun
intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I
have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon:
"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I had
described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely which
web page you are talking about."
And again on the same day around 1800:
"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages
contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please copy
and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the offending
statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one came from,
and tell me what the problem is with it/them."
We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not
received that information yet as of this time.
Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you
must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we
have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in order
for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force helping us
arrive at a satisfactory resolution!
Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down.
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Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
Date: 12/13/2000 09:50:43 Pacific Standard Time
From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette)
To: DWise1@aol.com
CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1@aol.com, editor@liberator.net
Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that we
should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I
promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion and
probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable fellow.
Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is good. Even if
the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose!
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>>I demand a recount!!!
The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<<
PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can
resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion!
But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible
statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun
intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I
have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon:
"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I
had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely
which web page you are talking about."
And again on the same day around 1800:
"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages
contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please copy
and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the offending
statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one came from,
and tell me what the problem is with it/them."
We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not
received that information yet as of this time.
Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you
must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we
have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in order
for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force helping us
arrive at a satisfactory resolution!
Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down.
--------------------
Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we
differ on is that we should all meet to finally conclude this mess between
you
and Bill. I promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on
politics, religion and probably everything else that you will find him to be
a
likeable fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good
eats????
Food is good. Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!!
You
can't lose!
----- Original Message -----
From:
DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ;
editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18
AM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the
Two Bills
>>I demand a recount!!!
The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<<
PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we
can resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of
proportion!
But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the
possible statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the
bill [pun intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is
objecting to. I have already requested from Bill M yesterday around
noon:
"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure
that I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell
me precisely which web page you are talking about."
And again on the same day around 1800:
"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages
contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.
Please copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!)
the offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each
one came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them."
We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have
not received that information yet as of this time.
Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you
must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need!
As we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get
in order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive
force helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution!
Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down.
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Subj: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights
Date: 12/13/2000 13:30:29 Pacific Standard Time
From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark)
To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill
Morgan), DWise1@aol.com
Bill Bequette, you wrote:
"The Bible is never wrong. Only sinners are wrong."
Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are
second-cless citizens?
= )
Mark
P.S. I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were
sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights
"There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you are
all one in ChristJesus.
Galatians 3:28
Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second class
citizens.
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette , you wrote:
>
>"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am
>definitely a sinner. Oh well I am so badddd!"
>
>It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself. You have the freedom
>of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week. The
>hypocrisy is hilarious.
>
>"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!"
>
>Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me. I say Christianity needs
>to be cleaned up. Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not
>allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church? Look at Greek
>Mythology. Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong
>female figure. Now look at the message that Christian women get.
>
>Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan"
>To: ; ;
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM
>Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
>
>
> > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he
>thinks
> > he is dangerous! :)
> >
> > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based
>life
> > but that has not yet been found.
> >
> > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name. That is 2nd maybe
>3rd
> > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill.
> >
> > Freedom,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark"
> > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
> > >,
> > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600
> > >
> > >Bill Bequette, you wrote:
> > >
> > >"I think why can't we all just get along? The reason is that men who
>are
> > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!"
> > >
> > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there may
>not
> > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition.
> > >
> > >= )
> > >
> > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think. It's no
> > >wonder
> > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than a
> > >block
> > >of carbon.
> > >
> > >= )
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >The Liberator
> > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
> > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Bill Morgan
> > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com
> > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM
> > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > >
> > >
> > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice
>Denny's
> > >dinner. Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with me,
>but
> > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them?
> > >
> > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler (an
> > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to
>counter
> > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin.
> > >
> > >Delusion is no solution.
> > >
> > >Requests I made for dinner: 43
> > >Accepted: 0
> > >
> > >% for the skuptics: 0%
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Bill Bequette"
> > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , ,
> > > >
> > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Right on Bill!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bill Morgan
> > > > To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com
> > > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Closed mind?
> > > >
> > > > Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who
>won't?
> > > >
> > > > Truth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > > > >To:
> > > > >CC: , ,
> > >
> > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently,
> > >please
> > > >do
> > > > >not bother responding at all.<<
> > > > >
> > > > >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both
>ears
> > > >and
> > > > >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can. He wants to witness
>to
> > >us
> > > > >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their minds
> > >firmly
> > > > >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest exposure
>to
> > >any
> > > > >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions.
> > > > >
> > > > >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him. Or did
>the
> > > > >condition start to set in when he converted?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Subj: Re: 45
Date: 12/13/2000 13:32:59 Pacific Standard Time
From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark)
To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com,
billbeq@mediaone.net
CC: editor@liberator.net
I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late.
= )
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: ;
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: 45
Let the record show I wanna go to dennys
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To: ,
>CC:
>Subject: Re: 43
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST
>
> >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a lot
>of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to your
>filter where his email goes in the trash!
>:)<<
>
>Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has
>consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in this
>matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record
>clearly shows what had happened.
>
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Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears
= )
Date: 12/13/2000 13:34:07 Pacific Standard Time
From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark)
To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill
Morgan), DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your
beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>CC:
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette , you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated
this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ
as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan"
>To:
>Cc: ;
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To:
> > >CC: , ,
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a
hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did
say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement
to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?
False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality?
> > >
> > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > >
> > >
> >
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From:
Bill
Bequette
To: Bill
Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10
PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are
awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To:
spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.
Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your
beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com>
>To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,
"Bill Morgan"
><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>
>CC: <editor@liberator.net>
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores
me to tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at
this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily
celebrated this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
Christ as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
>To: <DWise1@aol.com>
>Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net>
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the
list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a
registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
> > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>,
<editor@liberator.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge
you with a hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did
not! What I did say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like
you insist on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime"
statement to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made
against me? False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on
reality?
> > >
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= )
Date: 12/13/2000 13:34:19 Pacific Standard Time
From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette)
To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan),
DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me
to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your
beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>CC:
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette , you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at
this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated
this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
Christ as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan"
>To:
>Cc: ;
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To:
> > >CC: , ,
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a
hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did
say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist
on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement
to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?
False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality?
> > >
> > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > >
> > >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill
Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32
PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are
awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
-----
Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ;
DWise1@aol.com
Cc:
editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday,
December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores
me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message
-----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ;
DWise1@aol.com
Cc:
editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday,
December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology
bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to
your beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com>
>To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,
"Bill Morgan"
><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>
>CC: <editor@liberator.net>
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology
bores me to tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at
this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily
celebrated this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one
another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
Christ as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
>To: <DWise1@aol.com>
>Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>;
<editor@liberator.net>
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the
list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a
registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
> > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>,
<editor@liberator.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby
charge you with a hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did
not! What I did say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".
Like you insist on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime"
statement to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made
against me? False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on
reality?
> > >
> > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: 12/13/2000 13:35:26 Pacific Standard Time
From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette)
To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan),
DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
Ok when and where do we meet?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: 45
I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late.
= )
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: ;
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: 45
Let the record show I wanna go to dennys
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To: ,
>CC:
>Subject: Re: 43
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST
>
> >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a
lot
>of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to
your
>filter where his email goes in the trash!
>:)<<
>
>Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has
>consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in
this
>matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record
>clearly shows what had happened.
>
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billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:35
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Subject: Re: 45
I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late.
= )
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
To: <DWise1@aol.com>; <billbeq@mediaone.net>
Cc: <editor@liberator.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: 45
Let the record show I wanna go to dennys
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
>CC: <editor@liberator.net>
>Subject: Re: 43
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST
>
> >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things
out. Hey a lot
>of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just
add him to your
>filter where his email goes in the trash!
>:)<<
>
>Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who
has
>consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in
this
>matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see
that. The record
>clearly shows what had happened.
>
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Date: 12/13/2000 13:49:49 Pacific Standard Time
From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: DWise1@aol.com
CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net
Precisely? I can not. I recall reading one of you web sites about me (Bill
Morgan P.E.) that mentioned you saying "I have never heard of licensed
Engineers" as if I was a goofy goof. I am not a goofy goof, the best and
brightest of Enginn\eers are indeed licensed.
Please retract your statement.
Let eat a t Denny's and be freinds again.
48
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:47:25 EST
>
> >>I passed the state of california board of registration for professional
>and
>land surveyors located at 2535 capitol oaks drive suite 300 sactramento ca
>95833-2926 will verify that I am a licensed mechanical engineer.
>
>i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of
>licensed mechanical engineers.<<
>
>Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I
>had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely
>which web page you are talking about.
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From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: DWise1@aol.com
CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net
Mark! Please tell Dave I was kidding! I thought that was obvious. It was
an attempt at humor! Come on dave lighten up! Maybe there even is no such
creature such as Bill Bequette....maybe thats really me~ maybe not...maybe
Bill Bequette is a secret code name for Al Gore!
Laugh!
Enjoy life.
Lets eat at Denny's.
49
You can bring F Lee Bailey if you want but I am not paying for his dinner.
Bill
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Re: 47
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:19:51 EST
>
> >>I agree to teh terms set forth by this independent arbitrator. Do you
>Dave?<<
>
>Bill B? An "independent arbitrator"? Bill B? "independent"? You've got
>to be kidding! That's the second most ludicrous thing I've ever heard! [to
>borrow an old line from vaudeville, much used by Agent 86]
>
>Bill M, Bill B is your shill, your lackey! He has shown us that
>repeatedly. When I think of him, I keep picturing the General's "dog" in
>"The Postman" (excluding his having been "fixed", of course). Always
>tagging along behind you. Always backing you up in everything you do, no
>matter how evil. Yet unlike the character in the movie, I doubt whether
>Bill B would have the gumption to stand up for what is right and true. No,
>I just don't think he has it in him, though I've been wrong before.
>
>No, I'd have to be a total idiot to walk into a situation like that. I've
>seen kangaroo courts that were a lot fairer and impartial. Besides,
>playing the idiot is your specialty, Bill M. I wouldn't want to take that
>away from you, since you appear to treasure it so much.
>
>Also, the terms are totally unsatisfactory. First, what is this "prayer
>discussion" nonsense he threw in. Has absolutely nothing to do with the
>situation between us that we need to get resolved. Except maybe that in
>your overactive imagination you were hallucinating that you were on a
>jihad.
>
>But much more important is that there aren't any of the safeguards or
>guarantees that I need. Bill M, you don't listen and you keep twisting and
>distorting everything that I say, so I'm kept busy all the time having to
>remind you of what had actually been said. As a result, I need a
>completely accurate written transcript of EVERYTHING that is said, with the
>identity of each speaker clearly identified. Recording devices are
>inadequate, because they can garble and background noise or inarticulate
>speech can blot out the words. A stenographer would be even less adequate.
> I do not know how you are going to accomplish it, but a completely
>accurate written transcript is an absolute necessity.
>
>There are other provisions, such as the setting of the agenda, your
>abstaining from your "rabbit trails" and other diversionary tactics,
>including proselytizing. And you would have to lose that "idiot act" of
>yours as well.
>
>And we would need witnesses. Impartial witnesses, though I would want to
>see a number of your followers there, so that they can see what kind of a
>person their beloved Bill really is and what kind of terrible things he
>does when they are not looking.
>
>There, that should do for starters.
>
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Date: 12/13/2000 13:56:51 Pacific Standard Time
From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
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CC: editor@liberator.net
Gid?
See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid.
Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the brain
or spinal cord. Of course we all believe in Gid.
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST
>
> >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of
>California. Retract your slanderous statements! <<
>
>Excuse me, Bill B! I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking about so
>that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist. To my knowledge,
>I report his status on my web site accurately according to the information
>he himself had provided me years ago. If I am in error, then I will
>correct that error and apologize to him appropriately.
>
>But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine
>that Bill M is refering to. To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE WITNESSED, I
>have requested that information from Bill M. As of the time of this
>writing, he had not yet provided me with that information. I await his
>informative response.
>
>
>Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this? You have accused me of having
>made "slanderous statements". ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT
>ACCUSATION? Have you seen the statements in question? In context? Have
>you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you
>agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it? If Bill M follows his standard
>form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve
>this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information?
>
>Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings. I think that the two
>of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting attention
>away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance. I would hope that I am wrong,
>but I fear that I am right.
>
>While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some glaring
>differences between the two cases:
>
>1. Supporting evidence:
>a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, I
>provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS
>bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus where
>the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his
>accusatory statements for themselves. I presented all this information
>right up front without having to be asked for it. Furthermore, I have Bill
>Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations.
>
>b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information concerning
>his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it? We must hope that
>if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it properly).
>Instead, he only stated:
>
>"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered
>Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?"
>
>BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this problem.
>Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken action
>on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet.
>
>Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe
>SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply. Instead, he
>gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is
>supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said:
>"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of
>licensed mechanical engineers."
>That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was talking
>about my web site. Now I have been able to ask him specifically which web
>page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting.
>
>The difference:
>I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim that
>Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those acts
>were. Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet
>another unsupported accusation.
>
>
>2. Actions of the Accused:
>a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations
>against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to. When I
>asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his accusations
>on, he refused to provide that information. All he did was to repeat his
>accusations against me and to make new accusations.
>
>b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his new
>accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find the
>offending statement. When Bill M failed to provide the information, as you
>read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify the
>offending statement. If Bill M again fails to provide that information, I
>will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth.
>
>At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming. Just as before:
> i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive act.
> ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done. In all
>cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek
>sufficient information to identify the offending written statement. My
>stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back and
>compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want us
>to examine the facts.
> iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information. Please note
>that the information resides solely in his memory and so is inaccessible
>except through him.
> iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the
>truth.
>
>The difference:
>My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that the
>issue could be resolved. Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been to
>withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being
>resolved.
>
>
>3. The severity of the offense:
>
>First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its
>definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary): "a false statement
>maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." So
>for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of injuring
>the person's reputation.
>
>a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing,
>there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it to
>cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his documented
>actions do that). I am absolutely positive that I had made no such
>statement. At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this
>point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement
>would contain a factual inaccuracy. Hardly slander.
>
>b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant to
>injury my reputation. He has accused me of such things as:
> i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife"
> ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy society".
> iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God".
> iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling 2nd
>grader."
> v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him].
> vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil.
> vii. Calling him "very nasty names."
> viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in
>Gid".
> ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the
>world's most sinister people".
> x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs.
>Among other things. Each one of those accusations is a direct attack on my
>reputation. They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's
>reputation" criterion for being slanderous.
>
>
>
>Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter. And I am sure that you
>will yet again ignore them.
>
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Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears
= )
Date: 12/13/2000 14:00:15 Pacific Standard Time
From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark)
To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill
Morgan), DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our
sins' bring comfort to you?
Mark
The Liberator
E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!!
:)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me
to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me
to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your
beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>CC:
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me
to tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette , you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at
this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily
celebrated this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
Christ as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan"
>To:
>Cc: ;
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a
registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To:
> > >CC: , ,
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a
hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I
did say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist
on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime"
statement to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?
False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality?
> > >
> > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > >
> > >
> >
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Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you?
Mark
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Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message
-----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology
bores me to tears = )
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died
for our sins!! :)
----- Original Message
-----
From: Mark
To:
Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.
Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ;
spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.
Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original
Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ;
DWise1@aol.com
Cc:
editor@liberator.net
Sent:
Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish
Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
mythological
celebration.
A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to
your beliefs
Mark?
>From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com>
>To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,
"Bill Morgan"
><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>
>CC: <editor@liberator.net>
>Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology
bores me to tears
> = )
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote:
>
>"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth
of Christ
>is so near!"
>
>There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed
at this
>time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily
celebrated this
>time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
>
>"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
>
>Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one
another.
>
>"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
Christ as
>your savior!!!"
>
>Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
>
>"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
>
>Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do
Jewish
>Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>The Liberator
>E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
>Web Site: http://liberator.net/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
>To: <DWise1@aol.com>
>Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>;
<editor@liberator.net>
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>
>
> > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to
the list!
> >
> > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being
a registered
>Licensed
> > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of
California?
> >
> >
> > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>
> > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>,
<DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net>
> > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > >
> > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby
charge you with a hate
> > >crime. <<
> > >
> > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > >
> > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ...
"
> > >
> > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did
not! What I did say
>is
> > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".
Like you insist on
>putting
> > >on your "idiot act".
> > >
> > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate
crime" statement to
>the
> > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made
against me? False
> > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on
reality?
> > >
> > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > >
> > >
> >
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From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: DWise1@aol.com
CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net
Hi Dave, maybe we should stick to history and engineering and become friends
(again) that way.
I am very familiar with the Bataan Death March. Many Filipinos died during
it, a lot more than Americans, but racism has stoopped that from beign
widely known in the USA.
So Dave, are you being Dilberted by an unreasonable boss?
As to football being utterly useless, if it were not for football Nicole
never would have married O.J.
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Re: 46
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:20:56 EST
>
> >>The truth is I want to meet face to face and rebond our friendship.<<
>
>What "friendship"? None ever existed between us. You would never let it.
>"RE-bond"? One had to have bonded previously in order to be bonded again.
>Never happened.
>
>If you really want to establish a friendship, then you have to BE a friend.
> Stop being an adversary. Stop stereotyping me as one of your imaginary
>sparring partners. Stop evading my questions. Give up your "rabbit
>trails". Stop playing your idiotic games. You've already destroyed
>several times over any chance you could ever have of converting me, so stop
>with your proselytizing tricks. And stop evading discussion by insisting
>on Denny's. When the time is right, that can happen, but right now, with
>all the horrible things that you have done, the time is definitely not
>right. You are only making matters even worse by trying to force it.
>
>You have to rebuild all those bridges that you have burned, which has to
>start right here and right now. Before I could possibly trust you in
>person, I need to be able to trust you online. You can start by providing
>all the information we need to resolve the matter of your slanderous
>accusations against me. Provide that information freely and willingly.
>Honor all requests for clarification and more specific information
>promptly, freely, willingly, and honestly. Be willing and ready to discuss
>what we find. Promote the resolution process, do not hinder it.
>
>Oh, and Bill M, learn to LISTEN! And to READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! And to stop
>twisting and distorting everything that I say. There's a time and place
>for the imagination, but you really do need to learn to stick with reality
>when you are dealing with other people. Especially if you want them to be
>your friends.
>
>Show us here, online, consistently, that you can be a friend.
>
>Please log that as request number 44. And just think, once you are able to
>establish that you can be a friend, there won't be any need for us to
>maintain a log of your obstinance. Life will be much nicer for everybody.
>
>
> >>What do you mean your job is on a death march? Are they closing your
>department? Is the company closing?<<
>
>Really, Bill M! A self-professed history buff with an emphasis in WWII who
>doesn't know what a death march is? I am surprised at you! I think you've
>been a GS (or Navy contractor) for too long.
>
>A death march would be an extended forced march which left a trail of
>bodies in its wake. That term has been appropriated by engineering
>projects to describe the kind of accelerated development effort to meet a
>ridiculously short deadline. The accelerated pace of work, greatly
>extended work-weeks, and high stress tend to leave behind it a trail of
>burned-out engineers.
>
> >>What do you do?<<
>
>Software engineer. Embedded C mainly.
>
> >>I amy be laid off too maybe we could forma partnership and start a
>business. I have a great indea for a business Dave! With all of these
>football players getting concussions, I have a design of a football helmet
>that will reduce them. I need capital though. Want to go in with me?<<
>
>No time. No money. Besides, I would hate to be associated with something
>so utterly useless: football.
>
>
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Date: 12/13/2000 14:05:16 Pacific Standard Time
From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: DWise1@aol.com
CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net
Why is Christmas on the 25th? Because Santa wanted a tad longer day to get
ready? Can we blame a pope?
I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and
find out!
Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
>tears = )
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST
>
> >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
>mythological celebration.<<
>
>Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating
>pre-existing religions as it spread.
>
>Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the
>year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is
>the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an
>official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what
>the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which
>took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian
>Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are
>not certain why.
>
>But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill
>M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter
>Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted
>Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the
>Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months
>earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec?
>Wherever did they get "25" from?
>
>Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer?
>
>
>*FOOTNOTE:
>March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number
>names of some of the months:
> September from septus, "seven" our ninth month
> October from octus, "eight" our tenth month
> November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month
> December from decus, "ten" our tenth month
>It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the
>last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the
>days that were left over.
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From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
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To quote Ricky Ricardo:
"I dunno."
I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a
licensed engineer was a fantasy claim.
I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that.
Trivia time!
(195)
What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what month
did it occur?
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
>CC: , ,
>Subject: Regarding PE "Slander"
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST
>
>Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 Dec,
>you wrote:
>"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered
>Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?"
>
>"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me
>about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message from
>you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that you
>have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective action
>on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, but
>I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes.
>
>When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific as
>you can!
>
>Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages
>contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please
>copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the
>offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one
>came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them.
>
>Then we can resolve this matter.
>
>We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your
>slanderous accusations, now would we?
>
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From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked! Good thing those Palm Beach voters went
ape for Buchannon! I think Buchannon's position on immigration swayed many
of those Palm Beach voters from Gore over to Pat.
>From: "Bill Bequette"
>To: ,
>CC: ,
>Subject: Re: 46
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:58:02 -0800
>
>SHAME SHAME SHAME!
>To smite one trying to reach out is a sad day indeed. Bill Morgan is
>trying
>to be friendly and you slap him in the face with your glove!!!
>SHAME!!!!!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To: billyjack1@hotmail.com
>Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
>; editor@liberator.net
>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:22 PM
>Subject: Re: 46
>
>
> >>>The truth is I want to meet face to face and rebond our friendship.<<
> >
> >What "friendship"? None ever existed between us. You would never let
>it.
>"RE-bond"? One had to have bonded previously in order to be bonded again.
>Never happened.
> >
> >If you really want to establish a friendship, then you have to BE a
>friend.
>Stop being an adversary. Stop stereotyping me as one of your imaginary
>sparring partners. Stop evading my questions. Give up your "rabbit
>trails". Stop playing your idiotic games. You've already destroyed
>several
>times over any chance you could ever have of converting me, so stop with
>your proselytizing tricks. And stop evading discussion by insisting on
>Denny's. When the time is right, that can happen, but right now, with all
>the horrible things that you have done, the time is definitely not right.
>You are only making matters even worse by trying to force it.
> >
> >You have to rebuild all those bridges that you have burned, which has to
>start right here and right now. Before I could possibly trust you in
>person, I need to be able to trust you online. You can start by providing
>all the information we need to resolve the matter of your slanderous
>accusations against me. Provide that information freely and willingly.
>Honor all requests for clarification and more specific information
>promptly,
>freely, willingly, and honestly. Be willing and ready to discuss what we
>find. Promote the resolution process, do not hinder it.
> >
> >Oh, and Bill M, learn to LISTEN! And to READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! And to
>stop
>twisting and distorting everything that I say. There's a time and place
>for
>the imagination, but you really do need to learn to stick with reality when
>you are dealing with other people. Especially if you want them to be your
>friends.
> >
> >Show us here, online, consistently, that you can be a friend.
> >
> >Please log that as request number 44. And just think, once you are able
>to
>establish that you can be a friend, there won't be any need for us to
>maintain a log of your obstinance. Life will be much nicer for everybody.
> >
> >
> >>>What do you mean your job is on a death march? Are they closing your
>department? Is the company closing?<<
> >
> >Really, Bill M! A self-professed history buff with an emphasis in WWII
>who
>doesn't know what a death march is? I am surprised at you! I think you've
>been a GS (or Navy contractor) for too long.
> >
> >A death march would be an extended forced march which left a trail of
>bodies in its wake. That term has been appropriated by engineering
>projects
>to describe the kind of accelerated development effort to meet a
>ridiculously short deadline. The accelerated pace of work, greatly
>extended
>work-weeks, and high stress tend to leave behind it a trail of burned-out
>engineers.
> >
> >>>What do you do?<<
> >
> >Software engineer. Embedded C mainly.
> >
> >>>I amy be laid off too maybe we could forma partnership and start a
>business. I have a great indea for a business Dave! With all of these
>football players getting concussions, I have a design of a football helmet
>that will reduce them. I need capital though. Want to go in with me?<<
> >
> >No time. No money. Besides, I would hate to be associated with
>something
>so utterly useless: football.
> >
> >
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Bill Morgan , you wrote:
"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!"
I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political
elections.
I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war...
= )
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From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com
Please read 1 Corinthians 7 and see how equals the gurls are.
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:10 -0600
>
>Bill Bequette, you wrote:
>
>"The Bible is never wrong. Only sinners are wrong."
>
>Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are
>second-cless citizens?
>
>= )
>
>Mark
>
>P.S. I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were
>sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Morgan
>To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights
>
>
>"There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you
>are
>all one in ChristJesus.
>
>Galatians 3:28
>
>Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second
>class
>citizens.
>
>
> >From: "Mark"
> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
> >,
> >Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights
> >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600
> >
> >Bill Bequette , you wrote:
> >
> >"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am
> >definitely a sinner. Oh well I am so badddd!"
> >
> >It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself. You have the
>freedom
> >of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week. The
> >hypocrisy is hilarious.
> >
> >"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!"
> >
> >Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me. I say Christianity
>needs
> >to be cleaned up. Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not
> >allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church? Look at Greek
> >Mythology. Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong
> >female figure. Now look at the message that Christian women get.
> >
> >Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down.
> >
> >= )
> >
> >Mark
> >The Liberator
> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill Morgan"
> >To: ; ;
> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM
> >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> >
> >
> > > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he
> >thinks
> > > he is dangerous! :)
> > >
> > > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based
> >life
> > > but that has not yet been found.
> > >
> > > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name. That is 2nd
>maybe
> >3rd
> > > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill.
> > >
> > > Freedom,
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mark"
> > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
> > > >,
> > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600
> > > >
> > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"I think why can't we all just get along? The reason is that men who
> >are
> > > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!"
> > > >
> > > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there
>may
> >not
> > > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition.
> > > >
> > > >= )
> > > >
> > > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think. It's no
> > > >wonder
> > > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than
>a
> > > >block
> > > >of carbon.
> > > >
> > > >= )
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >The Liberator
> > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
> > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Bill Morgan
> > > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com
> > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice
> >Denny's
> > > >dinner. Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with
>me,
> >but
> > > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them?
> > > >
> > > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler
>(an
> > > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to
> >counter
> > > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin.
> > > >
> > > >Delusion is no solution.
> > > >
> > > >Requests I made for dinner: 43
> > > >Accepted: 0
> > > >
> > > >% for the skuptics: 0%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Bill Bequette"
> > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , ,
> > > > >
> > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Right on Bill!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bill Morgan
> > > > > To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com
> > > > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Closed mind?
> > > > >
> > > > > Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who
> >won't?
> > > > >
> > > > > Truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > > > > >To:
> > > > > >CC: , ,
> > > >
> > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods.
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently,
> > > >please
> > > > >do
> > > > > >not bother responding at all.<<
> > > > > >
> > > > > >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both
> >ears
> > > > >and
> > > > > >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can. He wants to
>witness
> >to
> > > >us
> > > > > >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their
>minds
> > > >firmly
> > > > > >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest
>exposure
> >to
> > > >any
> > > > > >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him. Or
>did
> >the
> > > > > >condition start to set in when he converted?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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= )
Date: 12/13/2000 14:16:58 Pacific Standard Time
From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark)
To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com
CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net
Bill Morgan , you wrote:
"I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research
and find out!"
The politics of religion...
"Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)"
I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ.
You're getting slap-happy.
= )
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>From: DWise1@aol.com
>To:
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>Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
>tears = )
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST
>
> >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
>mythological celebration.<<
>
>Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating
>pre-existing religions as it spread.
>
>Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the
>year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is
>the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an
>official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what
>the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which
>took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian
>Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are
>not certain why.
>
>But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill
>M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter
>Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted
>Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the
>Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months
>earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec?
>Wherever did they get "25" from?
>
>Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer?
>
>
>*FOOTNOTE:
>March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number
>names of some of the months:
> September from septus, "seven" our ninth month
> October from octus, "eight" our tenth month
> November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month
> December from decus, "ten" our tenth month
>It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the
>last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the
>days that were left over.
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From: "Mark"
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Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
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Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears
= )
Date: 12/13/2000 14:17:29 Pacific Standard Time
From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
You aint?
>From: "Mark"
>To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
>,
>CC:
>Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
>tears = )
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:45 -0600
>
>Who said I was an atheist?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bequette
> To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
> Cc: editor@liberator.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
>tears = )
>
>
> well?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Morgan
> To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
> Cc: editor@liberator.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me
>to tears = )
>
>
> I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan
>mythological
> celebration.
>
> A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your
>beliefs
> Mark?
>
>
> >From: "Mark"
> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan"
> >,
> >CC:
> >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to
>tears
> > = )
> >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600
> >
> >Bill Bequette , you wrote:
> >
> >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of
>Christ
> >is so near!"
> >
> >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at
>this
> >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily
>celebrated this
> >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it.
> >
> >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!"
> >
> >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another.
> >
> >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept
>Christ as
> >your savior!!!"
> >
> >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far.
> >
> >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!"
> >
> >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish
> >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural.
> >
> >= )
> >
> >Mark
> >The Liberator
> >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net
> >Web Site: http://liberator.net/
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill Morgan"
> >To:
> >Cc: ;
> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM
> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> >
> >
> > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list!
> > >
> > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a
>registered
> >Licensed
> > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: DWise1@aol.com
> > > >To:
> > > >CC: , ,
>
> > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
> > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST
> > > >
> > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a
>hate
> > > >crime. <<
> > > >
> > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... "
> > > >
> > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did
>say
> >is
> > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist
>on
> >putting
> > > >on your "idiot act".
> > > >
> > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime"
>statement to
> >the
> > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?
>False
> > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality?
> > > >
> > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From: "Bill Morgan"
To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com
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Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
Date: 12/13/2000 14:21:07 Pacific Standard Time
From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan)
To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com
CC: editor@liberator.net
I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter and
song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york New
York."
if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere.
>From: "Bill Bequette"
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