################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 08:18:46 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>I demand a recount!!! The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely which web page you are talking about." And again on the same day around 1800: "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not received that information yet as of this time. Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 09:50:43 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1@aol.com, editor@liberator.net Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that we should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is good. Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose! ----- Original Message ----- From: DWise1@aol.com To: billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >>I demand a recount!!! The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely which web page you are talking about." And again on the same day around 1800: "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not received that information yet as of this time. Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. --------------------
Well I think we are in agreement!  The only area we differ on is that we should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill.  I promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable fellow.  Plus if we all met we could have some good eats????  Food is good.  Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!!  You can't lose!
----- Original Message -----
From: DWise1@aol.com
To: billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
>>I demand a recount!!! The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< PRECISELY!!  We need to get all the information together so that we can resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! But the ball is in Bill M's court now.  I have examined all the possible statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun intended].  Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to.  I have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about.  I am sure that I had described it as you had described it to me.  Please tell me precisely which web page you are talking about." And again on the same day around 1800: "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed.  We have not received that information yet as of this time. Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need!  As we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in order for him to do the right thing.  You must be that positive force helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! Bill B, we are all counting on you.  Please don't let us down.
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:50:43 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:50:12 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust85.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.85]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08343; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:50:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000901c0652c$9f93bdc0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Cc: , , References: <43.de3a802.2768fb66@aol.com> Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C064E9.90319520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: 12/13/2000 13:30:29 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette, you wrote: "The Bible is never wrong. Only sinners are wrong." Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are second-cless citizens? = ) Mark P.S. I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights "There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you are all one in ChristJesus. Galatians 3:28 Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second class citizens. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am >definitely a sinner. Oh well I am so badddd!" > >It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself. You have the freedom >of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week. The >hypocrisy is hilarious. > >"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!" > >Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me. I say Christianity needs >to be cleaned up. Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not >allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church? Look at Greek >Mythology. Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong >female figure. Now look at the message that Christian women get. > >Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: ; ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he >thinks > > he is dangerous! :) > > > > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based >life > > but that has not yet been found. > > > > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name. That is 2nd maybe >3rd > > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill. > > > > Freedom, > > Bill > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"I think why can't we all just get along? The reason is that men who >are > > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!" > > > > > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there may >not > > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think. It's no > > >wonder > > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than a > > >block > > >of carbon. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice >Denny's > > >dinner. Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with me, >but > > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them? > > > > > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler (an > > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to >counter > > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin. > > > > > >Delusion is no solution. > > > > > >Requests I made for dinner: 43 > > >Accepted: 0 > > > > > >% for the skuptics: 0% > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800 > > > > > > > >Right on Bill! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > Closed mind? > > > > > > > > Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who >won't? > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >To: > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST > > > > > > > > > > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently, > > >please > > > >do > > > > >not bother responding at all.<< > > > > > > > > > >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both >ears > > > >and > > > > >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can. He wants to witness >to > > >us > > > > >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their minds > > >firmly > > > > >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest exposure >to > > >any > > > > >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions. > > > > > > > > > >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him. Or did >the > > > > >condition start to set in when he converted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >__________ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:30:29 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:29:57 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDLTkR84133; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:29:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <003301c0654c$27b3f980$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <008b01c06466$d30780e0$9320113f@com> Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:10 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: 45 Date: 12/13/2000 13:32:59 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late. = ) Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: 45 Let the record show I wanna go to dennys >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: 43 >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a lot >of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to your >filter where his email goes in the trash! >:)<< > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in this >matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.74]) by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:32:59 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:32:51 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDLWnR84462; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <005901c0654c$9496bb00$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 45 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:13 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 13:34:07 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Who said I was an atheist? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears > = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to tears >  = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:34:07 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:30:36 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDLULR84176; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:30:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <003c01c0654c$3caf1180$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <008201c06466$c2cb0260$9320113f@com> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:45 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C06519.F1113B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 13:34:19 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Who said I was an atheist? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears > = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to tears >  = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:34:19 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:33:47 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07637; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:33:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005c01c0654b$ce0d3ae0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <008201c06466$c2cb0260$9320113f@com> <003c01c0654c$3caf1180$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C06508.BDFB9860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: 45 Date: 12/13/2000 13:35:26 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Ok when and where do we meet? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: Re: 45 I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late. = ) Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: 45 Let the record show I wanna go to dennys >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: 43 >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a lot >of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to your >filter where his email goes in the trash! >:)<< > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in this >matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Ok when and where do we meet?
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From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: 45
I'll meet you there.  Start eating without me if I'm late. = ) Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> To: <DWise1@aol.com>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> Cc: <editor@liberator.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: 45 Let the record show I wanna go to dennys >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: 43 >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out.  Hey a lot >of people are like that.  Bill don't waste your time.  Just add him to your >filter where his email goes in the trash! >:)<< > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out.  It is Bill Morgan who has >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in this >matter.  Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that.  The record >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:35:26 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:35:01 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA08515; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:34:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006a01c0654b$f9f4daa0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <005901c0654c$9496bb00$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: 45 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:30:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C06508.EB008F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 13:49:49 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Precisely? I can not. I recall reading one of you web sites about me (Bill Morgan P.E.) that mentioned you saying "I have never heard of licensed Engineers" as if I was a goofy goof. I am not a goofy goof, the best and brightest of Enginn\eers are indeed licensed. Please retract your statement. Let eat a t Denny's and be freinds again. 48 >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:47:25 EST > > >>I passed the state of california board of registration for professional >and >land surveyors located at 2535 capitol oaks drive suite 300 sactramento ca >95833-2926 will verify that I am a licensed mechanical engineer. > >i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of >licensed mechanical engineers.<< > >Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I >had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:49:49 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.33]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:49:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:49:43 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:49:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:49:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 21:49:43.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A07A2A0:01C0654E] ################################################ Subj: Re: 47 Date: 12/13/2000 13:53:46 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Mark! Please tell Dave I was kidding! I thought that was obvious. It was an attempt at humor! Come on dave lighten up! Maybe there even is no such creature such as Bill Bequette....maybe thats really me~ maybe not...maybe Bill Bequette is a secret code name for Al Gore! Laugh! Enjoy life. Lets eat at Denny's. 49 You can bring F Lee Bailey if you want but I am not paying for his dinner. Bill >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: 47 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:19:51 EST > > >>I agree to teh terms set forth by this independent arbitrator. Do you >Dave?<< > >Bill B? An "independent arbitrator"? Bill B? "independent"? You've got >to be kidding! That's the second most ludicrous thing I've ever heard! [to >borrow an old line from vaudeville, much used by Agent 86] > >Bill M, Bill B is your shill, your lackey! He has shown us that >repeatedly. When I think of him, I keep picturing the General's "dog" in >"The Postman" (excluding his having been "fixed", of course). Always >tagging along behind you. Always backing you up in everything you do, no >matter how evil. Yet unlike the character in the movie, I doubt whether >Bill B would have the gumption to stand up for what is right and true. No, >I just don't think he has it in him, though I've been wrong before. > >No, I'd have to be a total idiot to walk into a situation like that. I've >seen kangaroo courts that were a lot fairer and impartial. Besides, >playing the idiot is your specialty, Bill M. I wouldn't want to take that >away from you, since you appear to treasure it so much. > >Also, the terms are totally unsatisfactory. First, what is this "prayer >discussion" nonsense he threw in. Has absolutely nothing to do with the >situation between us that we need to get resolved. Except maybe that in >your overactive imagination you were hallucinating that you were on a >jihad. > >But much more important is that there aren't any of the safeguards or >guarantees that I need. Bill M, you don't listen and you keep twisting and >distorting everything that I say, so I'm kept busy all the time having to >remind you of what had actually been said. As a result, I need a >completely accurate written transcript of EVERYTHING that is said, with the >identity of each speaker clearly identified. Recording devices are >inadequate, because they can garble and background noise or inarticulate >speech can blot out the words. A stenographer would be even less adequate. > I do not know how you are going to accomplish it, but a completely >accurate written transcript is an absolute necessity. > >There are other provisions, such as the setting of the agenda, your >abstaining from your "rabbit trails" and other diversionary tactics, >including proselytizing. And you would have to lose that "idiot act" of >yours as well. > >And we would need witnesses. Impartial witnesses, though I would want to >see a number of your followers there, so that they can see what kind of a >person their beloved Bill really is and what kind of terrible things he >does when they are not looking. > >There, that should do for starters. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:53:46 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f180.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.180]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:53:30 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:53:29 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:53:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: 47 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:53:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 21:53:29.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[2122BB80:01C0654F] ################################################ Subj: Gid Date: 12/13/2000 13:56:51 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net Gid? See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the brain or spinal cord. Of course we all believe in Gid. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST > > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << > >Excuse me, Bill B! I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking about so >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist. To my knowledge, >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the information >he himself had provided me years ago. If I am in error, then I will >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. > >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine >that Bill M is refering to. To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE WITNESSED, I >have requested that information from Bill M. As of the time of this >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information. I await his >informative response. > > >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this? You have accused me of having >made "slanderous statements". ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT >ACCUSATION? Have you seen the statements in question? In context? Have >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it? If Bill M follows his standard >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? > >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings. I think that the two >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting attention >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance. I would hope that I am wrong, >but I fear that I am right. > >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some glaring >differences between the two cases: > >1. Supporting evidence: >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, I >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus where >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his >accusatory statements for themselves. I presented all this information >right up front without having to be asked for it. Furthermore, I have Bill >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. > >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information concerning >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it? We must hope that >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it properly). >Instead, he only stated: > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this problem. >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken action >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. > >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply. Instead, he >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of >licensed mechanical engineers." >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was talking >about my web site. Now I have been able to ask him specifically which web >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. > >The difference: >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim that >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those acts >were. Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet >another unsupported accusation. > > >2. Actions of the Accused: >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to. When I >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his accusations >on, he refused to provide that information. All he did was to repeat his >accusations against me and to make new accusations. > >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his new >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find the >offending statement. When Bill M failed to provide the information, as you >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify the >offending statement. If Bill M again fails to provide that information, I >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. > >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming. Just as before: > i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive act. > ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done. In all >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement. My >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back and >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want us >to examine the facts. > iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information. Please note >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is inaccessible >except through him. > iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the >truth. > >The difference: >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that the >issue could be resolved. Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been to >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being >resolved. > > >3. The severity of the offense: > >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary): "a false statement >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." So >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of injuring >the person's reputation. > >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it to >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his documented >actions do that). I am absolutely positive that I had made no such >statement. At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement >would contain a factual inaccuracy. Hardly slander. > >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant to >injury my reputation. He has accused me of such things as: > i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" > ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". > iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling 2nd >grader." > v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. > vii. Calling him "very nasty names." > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". > ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the >world's most sinister people". > x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. >Among other things. Each one of those accusations is a direct attack on my >reputation. They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. > > > >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter. And I am sure that you >will yet again ignore them. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:56:51 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f96.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.96]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:56:10 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:56:08 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:56:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Gid Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:56:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 21:56:08.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FDD1170:01C0654F] ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:00:15 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Who said I was an atheist? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears > = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you?
 
Mark
The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to tears >  = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (rly-xb01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.102]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:00:15 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:59:57 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDLxhR87674; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:59:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <009101c06550$56b27960$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <008201c06466$c2cb0260$9320113f@com> <003c01c0654c$3caf1180$052a03c7@liber8r> <005c01c0654b$ce0d3ae0$5520113f@com> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:02:05 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C0651E.0A314800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Friends again! Date: 12/13/2000 14:00:46 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Hi Dave, maybe we should stick to history and engineering and become friends (again) that way. I am very familiar with the Bataan Death March. Many Filipinos died during it, a lot more than Americans, but racism has stoopped that from beign widely known in the USA. So Dave, are you being Dilberted by an unreasonable boss? As to football being utterly useless, if it were not for football Nicole never would have married O.J. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: 46 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:20:56 EST > > >>The truth is I want to meet face to face and rebond our friendship.<< > >What "friendship"? None ever existed between us. You would never let it. >"RE-bond"? One had to have bonded previously in order to be bonded again. >Never happened. > >If you really want to establish a friendship, then you have to BE a friend. > Stop being an adversary. Stop stereotyping me as one of your imaginary >sparring partners. Stop evading my questions. Give up your "rabbit >trails". Stop playing your idiotic games. You've already destroyed >several times over any chance you could ever have of converting me, so stop >with your proselytizing tricks. And stop evading discussion by insisting >on Denny's. When the time is right, that can happen, but right now, with >all the horrible things that you have done, the time is definitely not >right. You are only making matters even worse by trying to force it. > >You have to rebuild all those bridges that you have burned, which has to >start right here and right now. Before I could possibly trust you in >person, I need to be able to trust you online. You can start by providing >all the information we need to resolve the matter of your slanderous >accusations against me. Provide that information freely and willingly. >Honor all requests for clarification and more specific information >promptly, freely, willingly, and honestly. Be willing and ready to discuss >what we find. Promote the resolution process, do not hinder it. > >Oh, and Bill M, learn to LISTEN! And to READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! And to stop >twisting and distorting everything that I say. There's a time and place >for the imagination, but you really do need to learn to stick with reality >when you are dealing with other people. Especially if you want them to be >your friends. > >Show us here, online, consistently, that you can be a friend. > >Please log that as request number 44. And just think, once you are able to >establish that you can be a friend, there won't be any need for us to >maintain a log of your obstinance. Life will be much nicer for everybody. > > > >>What do you mean your job is on a death march? Are they closing your >department? Is the company closing?<< > >Really, Bill M! A self-professed history buff with an emphasis in WWII who >doesn't know what a death march is? I am surprised at you! I think you've >been a GS (or Navy contractor) for too long. > >A death march would be an extended forced march which left a trail of >bodies in its wake. That term has been appropriated by engineering >projects to describe the kind of accelerated development effort to meet a >ridiculously short deadline. The accelerated pace of work, greatly >extended work-weeks, and high stress tend to leave behind it a trail of >burned-out engineers. > > >>What do you do?<< > >Software engineer. Embedded C mainly. > > >>I amy be laid off too maybe we could forma partnership and start a >business. I have a great indea for a business Dave! With all of these >football players getting concussions, I have a design of a football helmet >that will reduce them. I need capital though. Want to go in with me?<< > >No time. No money. Besides, I would hate to be associated with something >so utterly useless: football. > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:00:46 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.57]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:00:13 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:00:13 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:00:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Friends again! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:00:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:00:13.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[1175DD60:01C06550] ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:05:16 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Why is Christmas on the 25th? Because Santa wanted a tad longer day to get ready? Can we blame a pope? I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and find out! Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :) >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological celebration.<< > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating >pre-existing religions as it spread. > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are >not certain why. > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? >Wherever did they get "25" from? > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > >*FOOTNOTE: >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number >names of some of the months: > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the >days that were left over. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:05:15 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f109.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.109]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:04:48 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:04:41 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:04:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:04:40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:04:41.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1401590:01C06550] ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/13/2000 14:11:03 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net To quote Ricky Ricardo: "I dunno." I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. Trivia time! (195) What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what month did it occur? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 Dec, >you wrote: >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me >about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message from >you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that you >have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective action >on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, but >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific as >you can! > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > >Then we can resolve this matter. > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your >slanderous accusations, now would we? > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:11:03 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.38]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:10:42 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:07:57 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:07:57.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[260EBBB0:01C06551] ################################################ Subj: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/13/2000 14:11:05 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked! Good thing those Palm Beach voters went ape for Buchannon! I think Buchannon's position on immigration swayed many of those Palm Beach voters from Gore over to Pat. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: , >CC: , >Subject: Re: 46 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:58:02 -0800 > >SHAME SHAME SHAME! >To smite one trying to reach out is a sad day indeed. Bill Morgan is >trying >to be friendly and you slap him in the face with your glove!!! >SHAME!!!!!! > >-----Original Message----- >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: billyjack1@hotmail.com >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >; editor@liberator.net >Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:22 PM >Subject: Re: 46 > > > >>>The truth is I want to meet face to face and rebond our friendship.<< > > > >What "friendship"? None ever existed between us. You would never let >it. >"RE-bond"? One had to have bonded previously in order to be bonded again. >Never happened. > > > >If you really want to establish a friendship, then you have to BE a >friend. >Stop being an adversary. Stop stereotyping me as one of your imaginary >sparring partners. Stop evading my questions. Give up your "rabbit >trails". Stop playing your idiotic games. You've already destroyed >several >times over any chance you could ever have of converting me, so stop with >your proselytizing tricks. And stop evading discussion by insisting on >Denny's. When the time is right, that can happen, but right now, with all >the horrible things that you have done, the time is definitely not right. >You are only making matters even worse by trying to force it. > > > >You have to rebuild all those bridges that you have burned, which has to >start right here and right now. Before I could possibly trust you in >person, I need to be able to trust you online. You can start by providing >all the information we need to resolve the matter of your slanderous >accusations against me. Provide that information freely and willingly. >Honor all requests for clarification and more specific information >promptly, >freely, willingly, and honestly. Be willing and ready to discuss what we >find. Promote the resolution process, do not hinder it. > > > >Oh, and Bill M, learn to LISTEN! And to READ WHAT IS WRITTEN! And to >stop >twisting and distorting everything that I say. There's a time and place >for >the imagination, but you really do need to learn to stick with reality when >you are dealing with other people. Especially if you want them to be your >friends. > > > >Show us here, online, consistently, that you can be a friend. > > > >Please log that as request number 44. And just think, once you are able >to >establish that you can be a friend, there won't be any need for us to >maintain a log of your obstinance. Life will be much nicer for everybody. > > > > > >>>What do you mean your job is on a death march? Are they closing your >department? Is the company closing?<< > > > >Really, Bill M! A self-professed history buff with an emphasis in WWII >who >doesn't know what a death march is? I am surprised at you! I think you've >been a GS (or Navy contractor) for too long. > > > >A death march would be an extended forced march which left a trail of >bodies in its wake. That term has been appropriated by engineering >projects >to describe the kind of accelerated development effort to meet a >ridiculously short deadline. The accelerated pace of work, greatly >extended >work-weeks, and high stress tend to leave behind it a trail of burned-out >engineers. > > > >>>What do you do?<< > > > >Software engineer. Embedded C mainly. > > > >>>I amy be laid off too maybe we could forma partnership and start a >business. I have a great indea for a business Dave! With all of these >football players getting concussions, I have a design of a football helmet >that will reduce them. I need capital though. Want to go in with me?<< > > > >No time. No money. Besides, I would hate to be associated with >something >so utterly useless: football. > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:11:05 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.85]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:10:45 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:10:42 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:10:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Pat/Palm Beach Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:10:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:10:42.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[88961F30:01C06551] ################################################ Subj: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/13/2000 14:15:19 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political elections. I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:15:19 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:14:54 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDMEfR89325; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:14:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00a901c06552$6e188c00$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:17:05 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: 12/13/2000 14:16:26 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Please read 1 Corinthians 7 and see how equals the gurls are. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:10 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"The Bible is never wrong. Only sinners are wrong." > >Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are >second-cless citizens? > >= ) > >Mark > >P.S. I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were >sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights > > >"There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you >are >all one in ChristJesus. > >Galatians 3:28 > >Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second >class >citizens. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am > >definitely a sinner. Oh well I am so badddd!" > > > >It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself. You have the >freedom > >of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week. The > >hypocrisy is hilarious. > > > >"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!" > > > >Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me. I say Christianity >needs > >to be cleaned up. Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not > >allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church? Look at Greek > >Mythology. Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong > >female figure. Now look at the message that Christian women get. > > > >Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: ; ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he > >thinks > > > he is dangerous! :) > > > > > > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based > >life > > > but that has not yet been found. > > > > > > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name. That is 2nd >maybe > >3rd > > > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill. > > > > > > Freedom, > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"I think why can't we all just get along? The reason is that men who > >are > > > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!" > > > > > > > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there >may > >not > > > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think. It's no > > > >wonder > > > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than >a > > > >block > > > >of carbon. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice > >Denny's > > > >dinner. Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with >me, > >but > > > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them? > > > > > > > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler >(an > > > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to > >counter > > > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin. > > > > > > > >Delusion is no solution. > > > > > > > >Requests I made for dinner: 43 > > > >Accepted: 0 > > > > > > > >% for the skuptics: 0% > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Right on Bill! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > > To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Closed mind? > > > > > > > > > > Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who > >won't? > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently, > > > >please > > > > >do > > > > > >not bother responding at all.<< > > > > > > > > > > > >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both > >ears > > > > >and > > > > > >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can. He wants to >witness > >to > > > >us > > > > > >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their >minds > > > >firmly > > > > > >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest >exposure > >to > > > >any > > > > > >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions. > > > > > > > > > > > >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him. Or >did > >the > > > > > >condition start to set in when he converted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >__________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > > >_________ > > > >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f245.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.245]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:15:34 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:15:27 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:15:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:15:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:15:27.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[326D4740:01C06552] ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:16:58 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, editor@liberator.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: "I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and find out!" The politics of religion... "Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. You're getting slap-happy. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological celebration.<< > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating >pre-existing religions as it spread. > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are >not certain why. > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? >Wherever did they get "25" from? > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > >*FOOTNOTE: >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number >names of some of the months: > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the >days that were left over. > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:16:58 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:16:35 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBDMGWR89508; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:16:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00b001c06552$b0189aa0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:56 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:17:29 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net You aint? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:45 -0600 > >Who said I was an atheist? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > > well? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > > I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > celebration. > > A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs > Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist >on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:17:29 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.142]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:17:03 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:17:01 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:17:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:17:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:17:01.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AA49AF0:01C06552] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 14:21:07 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter and song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york New York." if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that we >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is good. > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:21:07 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.28]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:20:17 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:14:25 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:14:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:14:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:14:25.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D8A3960:01C06552] ################################################ Subj: Re: 45 Date: 12/13/2000 14:21:23 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Yah! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: 45 Oh my! this sounds like a lie! He said "meet me there." "Meet" implies he is coming. I demand Dave reprimand his fellow Catholic on this matter! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: 45 >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:13 -0600 > >I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late. > >= ) > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM >Subject: 45 > > >Let the record show I wanna go to dennys > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: 43 > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a >lot > >of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to >your > >filter where his email goes in the trash! > >:)<< > > > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has > >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in >this > >matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record > >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Yah!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: 45
Oh my!  this sounds like a lie! He said "meet me there." "Meet" implies he is coming. I demand Dave reprimand his fellow Catholic on this matter! >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>,   ><billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: 45 >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:13 -0600 > >I'll meet you there.  Start eating without me if I'm late. > >= ) > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <DWise1@aol.com>; <billbeq@mediaone.net> >Cc: <editor@liberator.net> >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM >Subject: 45 > > >Let the record show I wanna go to dennys > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >CC: <editor@liberator.net> > >Subject: Re: 43 > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out.  Hey a >lot > >of people are like that.  Bill don't waste your time.  Just add him to >your > >filter where his email goes in the trash! > >:)<< > > > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out.  It is Bill Morgan who has > >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in >this > >matter.  Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that.  The record > >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:21:22 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:20:43 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA13709; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:20:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007801c06552$57d25660$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 45 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:16:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C0650F.48256920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Catholic Power Date: 12/13/2000 14:21:43 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.the authorities that exist have been established by God." Romans 13:1 i retract my guess you and Dave are Catholics cuz you wudda known this famous verse. Deist? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:17:05 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:21:43 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.106]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:21:39 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:21:38 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:21:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Catholic Power Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:21:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:21:38.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FA47160:01C06553] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 14:23:59 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net The recount has been done and the impartial, independent minded secretary of state k. harris has certified the existing results! Ever notice how independent the republicans in this florida mess were and how partisian the Dumocrats were? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:18:46 EST > > >>I demand a recount!!! >The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > >PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > >But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > >"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I >had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > >And again on the same day around 1800: > >"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > >We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > >Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you >must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we >have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > >Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f70.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.70]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:23:53 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:12:27 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:12:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:12:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:12:27.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[C764C400:01C06551] ################################################ Subj: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: 12/13/2000 14:26:07 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com YAh! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Please read 1 Corinthians 7 and see how equals the gurls are. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:10 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"The Bible is never wrong. Only sinners are wrong." > >Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are >second-cless citizens? > >= ) > >Mark > >P.S. I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were >sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights > > >"There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you >are >all one in ChristJesus. > >Galatians 3:28 > >Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second >class >citizens. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am > >definitely a sinner. Oh well I am so badddd!" > > > >It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself. You have the >freedom > >of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week. The > >hypocrisy is hilarious. > > > >"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!" > > > >Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me. I say Christianity >needs > >to be cleaned up. Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not > >allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church? Look at Greek > >Mythology. Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong > >female figure. Now look at the message that Christian women get. > > > >Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: ; ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he > >thinks > > > he is dangerous! :) > > > > > > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based > >life > > > but that has not yet been found. > > > > > > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name. That is 2nd >maybe > >3rd > > > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill. > > > > > > Freedom, > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"I think why can't we all just get along? The reason is that men who > >are > > > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!" > > > > > > > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there >may > >not > > > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think. It's no > > > >wonder > > > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than >a > > > >block > > > >of carbon. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice > >Denny's > > > >dinner. Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with >me, > >but > > > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them? > > > > > > > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler >(an > > > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to > >counter > > > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin. > > > > > > > >Delusion is no solution. > > > > > > > >Requests I made for dinner: 43 > > > >Accepted: 0 > > > > > > > >% for the skuptics: 0% > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Right on Bill! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > > > To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > > > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Closed mind? > > > > > > > > > > Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who > >won't? > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently, > > > >please > > > > >do > > > > > >not bother responding at all.<< > > > > > > > > > > > >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both > >ears > > > > >and > > > > > >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can. He wants to >witness > >to > > > >us > > > > > >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their >minds > > > >firmly > > > > > >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest >exposure > >to > > > >any > > > > > >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions. > > > > > > > > > > > >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him. Or >did > >the > > > > > >condition start to set in when he converted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >__________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > > >_________ > > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
YAh!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights
Please read 1 Corinthians 7 and see how equals the gurls are. >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:10 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"The Bible is never wrong.  Only sinners are wrong." > >Can you cite some words from Corrinthians which states that women are >second-cless citizens? > >= ) > >Mark > >P.S.  I cannot apologize for the words of other men...either these men were >sexist or those words were derived from a sexist diety. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights > > >"There is nither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you >are >all one in ChristJesus. > >Galatians 3:28 > >Now please retract your statement that the Bible says women are second >class >citizens. > > > >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> > >Subject: Christianity, Women's Rights > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:41:08 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > > > >"Toying with people who are so sensitive is probably a sin and I am > >definitely a sinner.  Oh well I am so badddd!" > > > >It's nice to be a modern Christian such as yourself.  You have the >freedom > >of commiting a sin as long as you go to church on Sunday every week.  The > >hypocrisy is hilarious. > > > >"Bye all and JESUS LIVES!!!!" > > > >Mythical stories of long-haired martyrs bore me.  I say Christianity >needs > >to be cleaned up.  Why are women treated as second-class citizens and not > >allowed to achieve positions of leadership in the church?  Look at Greek > >Mythology.  Athena, Goddess of War AND Wisdom, is celebrated as a strong > >female figure.  Now look at the message that Christian women get. > > > >Christianity needs an overhaul, unless the goal is to keep women down. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >To: <spambuster@gigagod.com>; <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <DWise1@aol.com> > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:05 AM > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > Bill, don't let him get to you, he is learninga little biology now he > >thinks > > > he is dangerous!  :) > > > > > > All life on earth is carbon based (some think there is silicon based > >life > > > but that has not yet been found. > > > > > > Notice that his only argument is to call you a name.  That is 2nd >maybe > >3rd > > > grade level of arguement...stay above that Bill. > > > > > > Freedom, > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" > > > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"I think why can't we all just get along?  The reason is that men who > >are > > > >Godless can not get along with anyone but fellow heathens!" > > > > > > > >If religious men and women would have exercised that belief, there >may > >not > > > >have been The Crusades and The Inquisition. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >It's funny how religionists try to demonize those who think.  It's no > > > >wonder > > > >why they are left with congrgations of sheep who are no smarter than >a > > > >block > > > >of carbon. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Bill Morgan > > > >To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:35 PM > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill, the fact is these guys simply won't meet with me over a nice > >Denny's > > > >dinner.  Of course they have every right to not want to \meet with >me, > >but > > > >why do they lie to themselves that I avoid them? > > > > > > > >It reminds me of Anthony Hopkins playing the role of Adolph Hitler >(an > > > >evolutionist) who in his mind has all these divisions in which to > >counter > > > >attack the the Russians (lead by evolutionist Joe Stalin. > > > > > > > >Delusion is no solution. > > > > > > > >Requests I made for dinner:  43 > > > >Accepted: 0 > > > > > > > >% for the skuptics:  0% > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> > > > > >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, > > > > ><spambuster@gigagod.com> > > > > >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:23:37 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Right on Bill! > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >   From: Bill Morgan > > > > >   To: DWise1@aol.com ; spambuster@gigagod.com > > > > >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > >   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:20 PM > > > > >   Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Closed mind? > > > > > > > > > >   Who refuses to meet face to face like two human beings and who > >won't? > > > > > > > > > >   Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >   >To: <spambuster@gigagod.com> > > > > >   >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net>, > > > ><DWise1@aol.com> > > > > >   >Subject: Re: List of alleged falsehoods. > > > > >   >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:21 EST > > > > >   > > > > > >   > >>Bill B, if you can't take the time to respond intelligently, > > > >please > > > > >do > > > > >   >not bother responding at all.<< > > > > >   > > > > > >   >That's just Bill B's way of clamping his hands firmly over both > >ears > > > > >and > > > > >   >yelling "La! La! La! La!" as loud as he can.  He wants to >witness > >to > > > >us > > > > >   >that Christians are a pack of yerks who want to keep their >minds > > > >firmly > > > > >   >closed and are afraid of the facts and of the slightest >exposure > >to > > > >any > > > > >   >ideas that differ from their preconceived notions. > > > > >   > > > > > >   >I wonder if he was this way before Bill M had turned him.  Or >did > >the > > > > >   >condition start to set in when he converted? > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >__________ > > > > >   Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > > >_________ > > > >Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (rly-xd05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.170]) by air-xd04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:07 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:25:42 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19142; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009201c06553$05fe0b80$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Christianity, Women's Rights Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:21:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0650F.F7190220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/13/2000 14:27:01 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows God's laws(The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the champion!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political elections. I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ --------------------
God does take sides.  If Bush will be better for the country and follows God's laws(The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win.  Bush is the champion!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach
Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: "Bill Bush won!  Yor prayers worked!" I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political elections. I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/
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Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:27:04 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net You seem to fit the definition to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) You aint? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:45 -0600 > >Who said I was an atheist? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > > well? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > > I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > celebration. > > A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs > Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist >on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
You seem to fit the definition to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
You aint? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:45 -0600 > >Who said I was an atheist? >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Bequette >   To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >   Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >   well? >     ----- Original Message ----- >     From: Bill Morgan >     To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >     Cc: editor@liberator.net >     Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >     Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > >     I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological >     celebration. > >     A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your >beliefs >     Mark? > > >     >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >     >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" >     ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >     >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >     >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears >     >  = ) >     >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 >     > >     >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: >     > >     >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ >     >is so near!" >     > >     >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this >     >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily >celebrated this >     >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. >     > >     >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" >     > >     >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. >     > >     >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as >     >your savior!!!" >     > >     >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. >     > >     >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" >     > >     >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >     >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. >     > >     >= ) >     > >     >Mark >     >The Liberator >     >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >     >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >     > >     >----- Original Message ----- >     >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >     >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >     >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >     >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >     >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >     > >     > >     > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! >     > > >     > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a >registered >     >Licensed >     > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? >     > > >     > > >     > > >From: DWise1@aol.com >     > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >     > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, ><editor@liberator.net> >     > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >     > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST >     > > > >     > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate >     > > >crime. << >     > > > >     > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! >     > > > >     > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " >     > > > >     > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did >say >     >is >     > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist >on >     >putting >     > > >on your "idiot act". >     > > > >     > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to >     >the >     > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  >False >     > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? >     > > > >     > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? >     > > > >     > > > >     > > >     > > >     > >____________________________________________________________________________ >     >_________ >     > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >     >http://explorer.msn.com >     > > >     > >     > >     > > >     >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >     Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:04 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:25:00 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18559; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:24:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008001c06552$ed5ea3a0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:20:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0650F.DE737FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 14:27:52 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley Temple song? I love Shirley Temple! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter and song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york New York." if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that we >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is good. > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DWise1@aol.com > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley Temple song?  I love Shirley Temple!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter and song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york New York." if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > >Well I think we are in agreement!  The only area we differ on is that we >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill.  I >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, religion >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable >fellow.  Plus if we all met we could have some good eats????  Food is good. >  Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!!  You can't lose! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM >   Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >   >>I demand a recount!!! >   The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > >   PRECISELY!!  We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > >   But the ball is in Bill M's court now.  I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended].  Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to.  I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > >   "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about.  I am sure that >I had described it as you had described it to me.  Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > >   And again on the same day around 1800: > >   "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > >   We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed.  We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > >   Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need!  As >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing.  You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > >   Bill B, we are all counting on you.  Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:52 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:32 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20761; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:27:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a401c06553$4e898460$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C06510.3FB6CA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:28:17 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Why can't we all just get along? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Bill Morgan , you wrote: "I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and find out!" The politics of religion... "Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. You're getting slap-happy. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological celebration.<< > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating >pre-existing religions as it spread. > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are >not certain why. > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? >Wherever did they get "25" from? > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > >*FOOTNOTE: >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number >names of some of the months: > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the >days that were left over. > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Why can't we all just get along?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: "I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and find out!" The politics of religion... "Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way!  :)" I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. You're getting slap-happy. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological celebration.<< > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating >pre-existing religions as it spread. > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is >the date of the rebirth of the Sun.  In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which >took place at the Winter Solstice.  It is also true that pre-Constininian >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are >not certain why. > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance).  The Winter >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE.  We inherited that calendar from the >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months >earlier (*see footnote).  So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? >Wherever did they get "25" from? > >Well, Bill M?  You're such a history buff.  Do you know the answer? > > >*FOOTNOTE: >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number >names of some of the months: >   September  from septus, "seven"   our ninth month >   October    from octus, "eight"    our tenth month >   November   from novem, "nine"     our eleventh month >   December   from decus, "ten"      our tenth month >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the >days that were left over. > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:28:17 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:25:22 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18946; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:25:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008901c06552$fe3b59c0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <00b001c06552$b0189aa0$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:21:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01C0650F.EF4EAF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 14:30:27 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Well the Demwits are fun to watch. Whenever Godless heathen get together it is pure pleasure watching them consume each other. I knew Bush was gonna win in Florida the night of the election. The Democrats are so emotioanally based it is hilarious. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills The recount has been done and the impartial, independent minded secretary of state k. harris has certified the existing results! Ever notice how independent the republicans in this florida mess were and how partisian the Dumocrats were? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:18:46 EST > > >>I demand a recount!!! >The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > >PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > >But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > >"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that I >had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > >And again on the same day around 1800: > >"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > >We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > >Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you >must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! As we >have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > >Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Well the Demwits are fun to watch.  Whenever Godless heathen get together it is pure pleasure watching them consume each other.  I knew Bush was gonna win in Florida the night of the election.  The Democrats are so emotioanally based it is hilarious. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
The recount has been done and the impartial, independent minded secretary of state k. harris has certified the existing results! Ever notice how independent the republicans in this florida mess were and how partisian the Dumocrats were? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:18:46 EST > > >>I demand a recount!!! >The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > >PRECISELY!!  We need to get all the information together so that we can >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of proportion! > >But the ball is in Bill M's court now.  I have examined all the possible >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >intended].  Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to.  I >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > >"Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about.  I am sure that I >had described it as you had described it to me.  Please tell me precisely >which web page you are talking about." > >And again on the same day around 1800: > >"Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > >We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed.  We have not >received that information yet as of this time. > >Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this matter, you >must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need!  As we >have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get in >order for him to do the right thing.  You must be that positive force >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > >Bill B, we are all counting on you.  Please don't let us down. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.74]) by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:30:27 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:29:28 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22137; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ad01c06553$8a1692c0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:25:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C06510.7B29E840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/13/2000 14:34:49 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill wins again! Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave scores 0. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" To quote Ricky Ricardo: "I dunno." I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. Trivia time! (195) What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what month did it occur? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 Dec, >you wrote: >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me >about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message from >you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that you >have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective action >on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, but >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific as >you can! > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > >Then we can resolve this matter. > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your >slanderous accusations, now would we? > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Bill wins again!  Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave scores 0.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander"
To quote Ricky Ricardo: "I dunno." I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. Trivia time! (195) What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what month did it occur? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan.  It just occured to me.  On 10 Dec, >you wrote: >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >"DID [I] retract ..."!  That statement says that you had written to me >about this matter before!  I have no recollection of any such message from >you, Bill M.  As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that you >have raised this issue.  How could I have already taken corrective action >on something before having been informed of it?  I may be good, Bill M, but >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M?  Get that date as specific as >you can! > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > >Then we can resolve this matter. > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your >slanderous accusations, now would we? > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:34:48 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:30:32 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23369; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b801c06553$b3912a20$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:26:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C06510.A4B54880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gid Date: 12/13/2000 14:35:07 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill someof the arguments may mean some folks have Gid!! They better pray to God and maybe the Gid will go away. Of course they can do the pagan holiday celebrations to see if that cures the "worms". ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: Gid Gid? See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the brain or spinal cord. Of course we all believe in Gid. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST > > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << > >Excuse me, Bill B! I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking about so >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist. To my knowledge, >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the information >he himself had provided me years ago. If I am in error, then I will >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. > >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine >that Bill M is refering to. To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE WITNESSED, I >have requested that information from Bill M. As of the time of this >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information. I await his >informative response. > > >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this? You have accused me of having >made "slanderous statements". ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT >ACCUSATION? Have you seen the statements in question? In context? Have >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it? If Bill M follows his standard >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? > >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings. I think that the two >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting attention >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance. I would hope that I am wrong, >but I fear that I am right. > >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some glaring >differences between the two cases: > >1. Supporting evidence: >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, I >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus where >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his >accusatory statements for themselves. I presented all this information >right up front without having to be asked for it. Furthermore, I have Bill >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. > >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information concerning >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it? We must hope that >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it properly). >Instead, he only stated: > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this problem. >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken action >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. > >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply. Instead, he >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of >licensed mechanical engineers." >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was talking >about my web site. Now I have been able to ask him specifically which web >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. > >The difference: >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim that >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those acts >were. Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet >another unsupported accusation. > > >2. Actions of the Accused: >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to. When I >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his accusations >on, he refused to provide that information. All he did was to repeat his >accusations against me and to make new accusations. > >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his new >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find the >offending statement. When Bill M failed to provide the information, as you >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify the >offending statement. If Bill M again fails to provide that information, I >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. > >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming. Just as before: > i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive act. > ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done. In all >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement. My >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back and >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want us >to examine the facts. > iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information. Please note >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is inaccessible >except through him. > iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the >truth. > >The difference: >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that the >issue could be resolved. Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been to >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being >resolved. > > >3. The severity of the offense: > >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary): "a false statement >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." So >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of injuring >the person's reputation. > >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it to >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his documented >actions do that). I am absolutely positive that I had made no such >statement. At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement >would contain a factual inaccuracy. Hardly slander. > >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant to >injury my reputation. He has accused me of such things as: > i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" > ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". > iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling 2nd >grader." > v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. > vii. Calling him "very nasty names." > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". > ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the >world's most sinister people". > x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. >Among other things. Each one of those accusations is a direct attack on my >reputation. They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. > > > >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter. And I am sure that you >will yet again ignore them. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Bill someof the arguments may mean some folks have Gid!! They better pray to God and maybe the Gid will go away.  Of course they can do the pagan holiday celebrations to see if that cures the "worms".
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:56 PM
Subject: Gid
Gid? See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the brain or spinal cord.  Of course we all believe in Gid. >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST > > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << > >Excuse me, Bill B!  I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking about so >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist.  To my knowledge, >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the information >he himself had provided me years ago.  If I am in error, then I will >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. > >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine >that Bill M is refering to.  To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE WITNESSED, I >have requested that information from Bill M.  As of the time of this >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information.  I await his >informative response. > > >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this?  You have accused me of having >made "slanderous statements".  ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT >ACCUSATION?  Have you seen the statements in question?  In context?  Have >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it?  If Bill M follows his standard >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? > >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings.  I think that the two >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting attention >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance.  I would hope that I am wrong, >but I fear that I am right. > >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some glaring >differences between the two cases: > >1. Supporting evidence: >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, I >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus where >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his >accusatory statements for themselves.  I presented all this information >right up front without having to be asked for it.  Furthermore, I have Bill >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. > >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information concerning >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it?  We must hope that >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it properly).  >Instead, he only stated: > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this problem.  >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken action >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. > >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply.  Instead, he >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of >licensed mechanical engineers." >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was talking >about my web site.  Now I have been able to ask him specifically which web >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. > >The difference: >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim that >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those acts >were.  Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet >another unsupported accusation. > > >2. Actions of the Accused: >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to.  When I >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his accusations >on, he refused to provide that information.  All he did was to repeat his >accusations against me and to make new accusations. > >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his new >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find the >offending statement.  When Bill M failed to provide the information, as you >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify the >offending statement.  If Bill M again fails to provide that information, I >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. > >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming.  Just as before: >    i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive act. >   ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done.  In all >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement.  My >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back and >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want us >to examine the facts. >  iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information.  Please note >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is inaccessible >except through him. >   iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the >truth. > >The difference: >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that the >issue could be resolved.  Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been to >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being >resolved. > > >3. The severity of the offense: > >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary):  "a false statement >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person."  So >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of injuring >the person's reputation. > >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it to >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his documented >actions do that).  I am absolutely positive that I had made no such >statement.  At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement >would contain a factual inaccuracy.  Hardly slander. > >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant to >injury my reputation.  He has accused me of such things as: >     i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" >    ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". >   iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". >    iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling 2nd >grader." >     v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. >    vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. >   vii. Calling him "very nasty names." >  viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". >    ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the >world's most sinister people". >     x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. >Among other things.  Each one of those accusations is a direct attack on my >reputation.  They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. > > > >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter.  And I am sure that you >will yet again ignore them. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (rly-yd02.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.2]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:35:07 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:32:45 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA25848; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:32:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00cf01c06554$07c54180$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Gid Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C06510.F8F287A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:35:36 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Jewish mythology? Them cats weren't too cool with jesus. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:02:05 -0600 > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > > Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > > Who said I was an atheist? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > > well? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > > I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > celebration. > > A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to >your beliefs > Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth >of Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed >at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do >Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you >with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I >did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you >insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against >me? False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on >reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:35:36 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.241]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:30:10 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:19:31 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:19:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:19:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:19:31.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3DAE480:01C06552] ################################################ Subj: Re: 47 Date: 12/13/2000 14:36:06 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Somebody is wrapped waaaaay to tight! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: 47 Mark! Please tell Dave I was kidding! I thought that was obvious. It was an attempt at humor! Come on dave lighten up! Maybe there even is no such creature such as Bill Bequette....maybe thats really me~ maybe not...maybe Bill Bequette is a secret code name for Al Gore! Laugh! Enjoy life. Lets eat at Denny's. 49 You can bring F Lee Bailey if you want but I am not paying for his dinner. Bill >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: 47 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:19:51 EST > > >>I agree to teh terms set forth by this independent arbitrator. Do you >Dave?<< > >Bill B? An "independent arbitrator"? Bill B? "independent"? You've got >to be kidding! That's the second most ludicrous thing I've ever heard! [to >borrow an old line from vaudeville, much used by Agent 86] > >Bill M, Bill B is your shill, your lackey! He has shown us that >repeatedly. When I think of him, I keep picturing the General's "dog" in >"The Postman" (excluding his having been "fixed", of course). Always >tagging along behind you. Always backing you up in everything you do, no >matter how evil. Yet unlike the character in the movie, I doubt whether >Bill B would have the gumption to stand up for what is right and true. No, >I just don't think he has it in him, though I've been wrong before. > >No, I'd have to be a total idiot to walk into a situation like that. I've >seen kangaroo courts that were a lot fairer and impartial. Besides, >playing the idiot is your specialty, Bill M. I wouldn't want to take that >away from you, since you appear to treasure it so much. > >Also, the terms are totally unsatisfactory. First, what is this "prayer >discussion" nonsense he threw in. Has absolutely nothing to do with the >situation between us that we need to get resolved. Except maybe that in >your overactive imagination you were hallucinating that you were on a >jihad. > >But much more important is that there aren't any of the safeguards or >guarantees that I need. Bill M, you don't listen and you keep twisting and >distorting everything that I say, so I'm kept busy all the time having to >remind you of what had actually been said. As a result, I need a >completely accurate written transcript of EVERYTHING that is said, with the >identity of each speaker clearly identified. Recording devices are >inadequate, because they can garble and background noise or inarticulate >speech can blot out the words. A stenographer would be even less adequate. > I do not know how you are going to accomplish it, but a completely >accurate written transcript is an absolute necessity. > >There are other provisions, such as the setting of the agenda, your >abstaining from your "rabbit trails" and other diversionary tactics, >including proselytizing. And you would have to lose that "idiot act" of >yours as well. > >And we would need witnesses. Impartial witnesses, though I would want to >see a number of your followers there, so that they can see what kind of a >person their beloved Bill really is and what kind of terrible things he >does when they are not looking. > >There, that should do for starters. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Somebody is wrapped waaaaay to tight!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com
Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: 47
Mark!  Please tell Dave I was kidding!  I thought that was obvious.  It was an attempt at humor!  Come on dave lighten up!  Maybe there even is no such creature such as Bill Bequette....maybe thats really me~  maybe not...maybe Bill Bequette is a secret code name for Al Gore! Laugh! Enjoy life. Lets eat at Denny's. 49 You can bring F Lee Bailey if you want but I am not paying for his dinner. Bill >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: 47 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:19:51 EST > > >>I agree to teh terms set forth by this independent arbitrator.  Do you >Dave?<< > >Bill B?  An "independent arbitrator"?  Bill B?  "independent"?  You've got >to be kidding!  That's the second most ludicrous thing I've ever heard! [to >borrow an old line from vaudeville, much used by Agent 86] > >Bill M, Bill B is your shill, your lackey!  He has shown us that >repeatedly.  When I think of him, I keep picturing the General's "dog" in >"The Postman" (excluding his having been "fixed", of course).  Always >tagging along behind you.  Always backing you up in everything you do, no >matter how evil.  Yet unlike the character in the movie, I doubt whether >Bill B would have the gumption to stand up for what is right and true.  No, >I just don't think he has it in him, though I've been wrong before. > >No, I'd have to be a total idiot to walk into a situation like that.  I've >seen kangaroo courts that were a lot fairer and impartial.  Besides, >playing the idiot is your specialty, Bill M.  I wouldn't want to take that >away from you, since you appear to treasure it so much. > >Also, the terms are totally unsatisfactory.  First, what is this "prayer >discussion" nonsense he threw in.  Has absolutely nothing to do with the >situation between us that we need to get resolved.  Except maybe that in >your overactive imagination you were hallucinating that you were on a >jihad. > >But much more important is that there aren't any of the safeguards or >guarantees that I need.  Bill M, you don't listen and you keep twisting and >distorting everything that I say, so I'm kept busy all the time having to >remind you of what had actually been said.  As a result, I need a >completely accurate written transcript of EVERYTHING that is said, with the >identity of each speaker clearly identified.  Recording devices are >inadequate, because they can garble and background noise or inarticulate >speech can blot out the words.  A stenographer would be even less adequate. >  I do not know how you are going to accomplish it, but a completely >accurate written transcript is an absolute necessity. > >There are other provisions, such as the setting of the agenda, your >abstaining from your "rabbit trails" and other diversionary tactics, >including proselytizing.  And you would have to lose that "idiot act" of >yours as well. > >And we would need witnesses.  Impartial witnesses, though I would want to >see a number of your followers there, so that they can see what kind of a >person their beloved Bill really is and what kind of terrible things he >does when they are not looking. > >There, that should do for starters. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:36:06 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:33:30 1900 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26496; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:33:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d801c06554$21c39d20$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 47 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:29:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C06511.12F88460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Catholic Power Date: 12/13/2000 14:36:18 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Now Catholics do worship deities don't they? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: Catholic Power "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.the authorities that exist have been established by God." Romans 13:1 i retract my guess you and Dave are Catholics cuz you wudda known this famous verse. Deist? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:17:05 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Now Catholics do worship deities don't they?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:21 PM
Subject: Catholic Power
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.the authorities that exist have been established by God." Romans 13:1 i retract my guess you and Dave are Catholics cuz you wudda known this famous verse. Deist? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   ><DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:17:05 -0600 > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won!  Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:34:30 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27411; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00e701c06554$3fda4020$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Catholic Power Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:30:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C06511.30F536C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:37:19 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Onward Christian soldiers!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Jewish mythology? Them cats weren't too cool with jesus. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:02:05 -0600 > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > > Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > > Who said I was an atheist? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bequette > To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > > well? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > > I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > celebration. > > A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to >your beliefs > Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth >of Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed >at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do >Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you >with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I >did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you >insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against >me? False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on >reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. 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Onward Christian soldiers!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Jewish mythology?  Them cats weren't too cool with jesus. >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:02:05 -0600 > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Bequette >   To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >   Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >   Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! :) >     ----- Original Message ----- >     From: Mark >     To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >     Cc: editor@liberator.net >     Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >     Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to tears = ) > > >     Who said I was an atheist? >       ----- Original Message ----- >       From: Bill Bequette >       To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >       Cc: editor@liberator.net >       Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >       Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > >       well? >         ----- Original Message ----- >         From: Bill Morgan >         To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >         Cc: editor@liberator.net >         Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >         Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears = ) > > >         I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological >         celebration. > >         A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to >your beliefs >         Mark? > > >         >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >         >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" >         ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >         >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >         >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores >me to tears >         >  = ) >         >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 >         > >         >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: >         > >         >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth >of Christ >         >is so near!" >         > >         >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed >at this >         >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily >celebrated this >         >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. >         > >         >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" >         > >         >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. >         > >         >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ as >         >your savior!!!" >         > >         >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. >         > >         >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" >         > >         >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do >Jewish >         >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. >         > >         >= ) >         > >         >Mark >         >The Liberator >         >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >         >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >         > >         >----- Original Message ----- >         >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >         >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >         >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >         >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >         >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >         > >         > >         > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! >         > > >         > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a >registered >         >Licensed >         > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? >         > > >         > > >         > > >From: DWise1@aol.com >         > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >         > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, ><editor@liberator.net> >         > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >         > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST >         > > > >         > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you >with a hate >         > > >crime. << >         > > > >         > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! >         > > > >         > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " >         > > > >         > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I >did say >         >is >         > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you >insist on >         >putting >         > > >on your "idiot act". >         > > > >         > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to >         >the >         > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against >me?  False >         > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on >reality? >         > > > >         > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? >         > > > >         > > > >         > > >         > > >         > >____________________________________________________________________________ >         >_________ >         > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >         >http://explorer.msn.com >         > > >         > >         > >         > > >         >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >         Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:37:19 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:34:40 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27696; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00f001c06554$4c218fa0$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:30:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C06511.3D34E520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 14:39:01 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Who said I was an atheist? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears > = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
He can't as you descibe him = ).  But Jesus can because he is real !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you?
 
Mark
The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
Who said I was an atheist?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bequette
To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
well?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = )
I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to tears >  = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:39:01 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:31:29 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust239.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.239]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA24523; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:31:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c601c06553$d9f86700$5520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <008201c06466$c2cb0260$9320113f@com> <003c01c0654c$3caf1180$052a03c7@liber8r> <005c01c0654b$ce0d3ae0$5520113f@com> <009101c06550$56b27960$052a03c7@liber8r> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:27:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C06510.CB14E440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: 45 Date: 12/13/2000 17:20:57 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net Oh my! this sounds like a lie! He said "meet me there." "Meet" implies he is coming. I demand Dave reprimand his fellow Catholic on this matter! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: 45 >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:13 -0600 > >I'll meet you there. Start eating without me if I'm late. > >= ) > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:50 PM >Subject: 45 > > >Let the record show I wanna go to dennys > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: 43 > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:58:35 EST > > > > >>Because he enjoys the arguments more than working things out. Hey a >lot > >of people are like that. Bill don't waste your time. Just add him to >your > >filter where his email goes in the trash! > >:)<< > > > >Bill B, I really do want to work this out. It is Bill Morgan who has > >consistently and persistently blocked any possibility of resolution in >this > >matter. Anybody looking at the facts would plainly see that. The record > >clearly shows what had happened. > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:20:57 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.215]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:20:26 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:18:23 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:18:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: 45 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:18:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 22:18:23.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B3417E0:01C06552] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 17:53:28 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net In the movie "Serial", Martin Mull enlists the aid of corporate executives who unwind on weekends as a gay biker gang to rescue his daughter from a cult. Cut to the biker raid on the cult residence and a cult member sitting on the couch with the bikers' leader (Christopher Lee): Cult Member: (using the cult's proselytizing methods) I love you. Christopher Lee: Ah, but are you ready to prove that? Now we have you, Bill B, applying your cult's proselytizing methods as you say, "Dave Wise I love you!" Well, Bill B, are YOU ready to prove that? (meant in an entirely different way than Christopher Lee did, of course) Does your conduct match your words? We see you mocking us. We see you condemning us. We see you ecstatic with Schadenfreude (taking pleasure in somebody else's misfortune). We see you engaged in the modern equivalent of Jew-baiting. Is that what you mean by love? What a horrid thing. Bill B, you know that old saying that actions speak louder than words? Well, it's true. We hear your actions loud and clear and they make a lie out of your words. If you really want to practice love, then do so in your actions as well as in your words. Then your Christian witness can be a positive one instead of your current negative witness. BTW, the movie had a happy ending, including the cult member riding off into the sunset (figuratively speaking) on the back of Christopher Lee's bike. ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 17:54:58 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Morgan, we have some unfinished business to attend to. FACT: On 8 Dec 2000 at 1527 PST, you made a serious accusation against me: >By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate crime.<< FACT: On 9 Dec 2000 at 1804 EST I replied to your accusation, showing it to be a false accusation: >"Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! "So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say is that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on putting on your "idiot act". Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to the growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? << FACT: On 10 Dec 2000 at 2108, you sent your only response, which was to plead that I not put your accusation on the growing list of false accusations you have made against me: >Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list!<< FACT: On 11 Dec 2000 at 0741, I replied: >>And for what reason should I not? You did make a serious accusation against me there. It had no factual basis in reality. Please explain why I should not add your "hate crime" accusation to the list. It might suffice for you to issue an explicit admission that you had distorted the meaning of what I had written. << FACT: To date (13 Dec 1230), you have not responded. Bill Morgan, charging somebody with a hate crime is an extremely serious accusation. It is a direct personal attack against that person and against his reputation. The evidence shows clearly that I did not perform the acts of which you have accused me. The facts clearly show that this is yet another false accusation that you have made against me. Furthermore, the facts clearly show that you have not yet remedied the effects of your false and slanderous accusation. Bill Morgan, I demand an immediate retraction and sincere apology! Bill Morgan, until you cease making such false and slanderous accusations it is impossible to even consider a personal meeting with you. ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 17:56:08 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net Bill B, we are meeting right here. We can very easily conclude and resolve this mess that Bill M has created right here online. Indeed, it is the ideal place and venue to arrive at a resolution, because all the factual information can be researched and presented much more clearly and understandably AND UNDERSTOOD much better here on-line than would ever be possible at a restaurant or any other verbal exchange. Plus, a complete and accurate record of the proceedings would automatically be generated so that refreshing our memories of what was said, when, and by whom would be very easy and error-free. In a verbal exchange, such as in a restaurant, faulty memory of what was said would only result in further dispute which would bog down or derail the proceedings. Another very pertinent problem is Bill M's penchant for not listening, for twisting and distorting what had been said (demonstrated most recently by his falsely accusing me of a "hate crime"), and for inventing events that never happened. The only way to deal with that is to have a complete and accurate record of everything that had actually been said. Without such a record, Bill M would have free rein to make any wild accusation he would want to and we would have no way to counter those wild accusations and to impose the facts on him. That is why I must insist on a complete and accurate record of EVERYTHING that is said. It is an absolute necessity when dealing with Bill M. There can be no compromise on this point. And until such a record can be generated with absolutely reliability from a verbal exchange, a personal meeting is completely out of the question. Or until Bill M can consistently demonstrate for an extended period of time and extended number of exchanges that he has completely reformed himself. Frankly, I cannot understand why you guys are so fixated on a personal meeting. The ability to exchange factual information clearly is far more superior online than in a restaurant. Trying to resolve this matter, with the need for exchanging and examining exact wording and for conducting on-the-spot researching (eg, search the record for a specific message), would actually be greatly impaired in a restaurant. Meeting in a restaurant for purposes of examining the evidence in order to arrive at a resolution would be counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense. Of course, I have long suspected that Bill Morgan does not want this matter to be resolved and that his insistence on meeting in a restaurant is nothing but a diversionary tactic to prevent a resolution. If Bill Morgan truly wanted to have this matter resolved, he would immediately join in the online proceedings. As you will observe, he does not. >>... you will find him to be a likeable fellow ...<< I have never doubted that and I have noticed that Bill M obviously has an extremely high regard for his own personal charm. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Being likable does not prevent one from doing terrible things! This matter centers around that facts, not on a popularity contest. Whether Bill M is likeable has absolutely no bearing on the matter. You want to be able to get together to eat and enjoy some companionship? Fine, do it. Nobody's stopping you. Just don't include me in your social events. I'm not starved for company like you guys appear to be. I have more than enough of social life to deal with. And good food is easily had. I simply do not see how meeting personally with Bill Morgan can have any beneficial consequences. Quite the contrary. It would be so difficult for me to break free to make such a meeting with him and his conduct online has made it abundantly clear that Bill M would make that meeting unpleasant and a total waste of time and effort. I get enough of his manipulative abuse online; I don't need to go through a lot of extra effort and trouble just so he can jerk me around in person too. It just isn't worth it. ################################################ Subj: Re: 44 Date: 12/13/2000 17:57:29 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>For the 44th time I lovingly invite you to dennys ...<< >>For the 62nd time, I hate tpying.<< OK, Bill M, audit time. Exactly where did you get those numbers from? Are you fabricating evidence again? Again, Bill M, since you made sure to ignore it: If you are serious about finally allowing us to resolve this matter, then let's do it right here and now. Bill M, for the FORTY-FIFTH TIME, let us resolve this matter! Present to us the messages in which I had allegedly done the terrible things that you have accused me of! Or give us enough information about those messages so that we can find and identify the messages in question. Or admit explicitly INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH AND ONE OF THE ACCUSATIONS that you had never based them on anything that I had written and that you had made the whole thing up. Then you had better be able to give us a damned good explanation why you had refused to allow us to resolve this matter. >>I prefer a large root beer, chicken strips, and a hot fudge sundae sprinkled with pleasant conversation and garnished with mirth, joy and laughter to the squalid and sterile confines of e mail exchange.<< Fine. Go out and eat and find yourself that pleasant conversation. I'm not stopping you from it. And if you are as starved for company as you sound, then maybe you should consider joining a club. You might try Toast-Masters; my father-in-law rather enjoyed them. But we are not in a mirthful situation. You have made several serious accusations against me, personal attacks, all of which appear to be utterly false. If we were to get together, it could not be for pleasant conversation. It would have to be for us to conduct the very serious business of examining the facts surrounding your slanderous accusations and your obstinent obstruction of the resolution process and of hammering out a resolution. Be forewarned that I have eight years of professional experience with a hammer. In that process, I am sure that tempers will flare. Especially if you persist in playing your usual obfuscational tricks (eg, "rabbit trailing", your idiot act, distorting what is said, making yet more wild and false accusations). I do not believe that your daughter needs to witness her father's slanderous tongue being torn out by the roots. For what we will need to do, you should welcome the sterile confines of email. If not for your own sake, then for hers. >>I will bring my baby, she now can sit in the booster chair and you can see her eat raisins and realize that this Bill Morgan cat is a nice guy, a great husband, a superb father and dear friend.<< And what would that prove? The SS guards at the death camps were also nice guys, great husbands, superb fathers and dear friends. Every day after having committed unspeakable atrocities, they went home to their loving families. And returned the next day to commit even more unspeakable atrocities. So what that you are a family man. You have still done terrible things and continue to do terrible things. And remain unrepentant. >>Am I a bad person because I dont like typing?<< No, you are a bad person because you make false accusations, refuse to substantiate your accusations in way (except to repeat them and add new false accusations), and prevent the resolution of the problems that your false accusations cause. You are also a bad person because you twist and distort what others say, because you are constantly laying down "rabbit trails", and because you don't listen. You are also a bad person because you stereotype those who don't agree with you and you fight against what you imagine that stereotype's position to, ignoring what their position really is. ################################################ Subj: Re: 46 Date: 12/13/2000 17:58:21 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net No, Bill B, I do not believe that Bill Morgan is trying to be friendly. He has certainly not acted like a friend. For one thing, a friend does not tell slanderous lies about his friend and then refuse to support those lies in any manner while obstructing all attempts by his friend to resolve the matter. That is not what a friend does. Do you want to know what Bill Morgan did when I held my own hand out to him in friendship? When I offered to help him with something that he obviously didn't know anything about? He slapped it away! And the other times I have tried to help him out of friendship, he'd just "smile me out the door" and totally rejected my help. No, Bill Morgan's actions show us that he is not interested in my friendship. I was telling him the truth, that from the start his actions have prevented any friendship from forming. AND I was telling him the truth about what he needs to do if he really does want us to be friends. If Bill M is really trying to be friendly, then he will heed my advice. If not, then he will just continue doing as he has been, complete with slanderous accusations. ################################################ Subj: Re: 46 Date: 12/13/2000 19:44:48 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1@aol.com, editor@liberator.net I think the Mafia rule applies here: Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Re: 46 No, Bill B, I do not believe that Bill Morgan is trying to be friendly. He has certainly not acted like a friend. For one thing, a friend does not tell slanderous lies about his friend and then refuse to support those lies in any manner while obstructing all attempts by his friend to resolve the matter. That is not what a friend does. Do you want to know what Bill Morgan did when I held my own hand out to him in friendship? When I offered to help him with something that he obviously didn't know anything about? He slapped it away! And the other times I have tried to help him out of friendship, he'd just "smile me out the door" and totally rejected my help. No, Bill Morgan's actions show us that he is not interested in my friendship. I was telling him the truth, that from the start his actions have prevented any friendship from forming. AND I was telling him the truth about what he needs to do if he really does want us to be friends. If Bill M is really trying to be friendly, then he will heed my advice. If not, then he will just continue doing as he has been, complete with slanderous accusations. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:44:47 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:44:24 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBE3iNl21926; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:44:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00c101c06580$7c26a2e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: , , References: <12.612c99a.2769833d@aol.com> Subject: Re: 46 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:46:46 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 19:58:20 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Bequette, you wrote: "He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our sins' bring comfort to you? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Who said I was an atheist? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological celebration. A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your beliefs Mark? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears > = ) >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of Christ >is so near!" > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated this >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ as >your savior!!!" > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: >Cc: ; >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > >crime. << > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say >is > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on >putting > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to >the > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? False > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:20 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:57:14 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBE3v4l23199; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:57:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00f601c06582$41d66f60$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <008201c06466$c2cb0260$9320113f@com> <003c01c0654c$3caf1180$052a03c7@liber8r> <005c01c0654b$ce0d3ae0$5520113f@com> <009101c06550$56b27960$052a03c7@liber8r> <00c601c06553$d9f86700$5520113f@com> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/13/2000 19:59:31 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Bill wins again! Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave scores 0." If you are using the regulation scorecard, your ratio is severely scewed in the wrong direction. ...but what do Christians know about following rules? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" To quote Ricky Ricardo: "I dunno." I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. Trivia time! (195) What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what month did it occur? >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 Dec, >you wrote: >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > >"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me >about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message from >you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that you >have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective action >on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, but >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific as >you can! > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each one >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > >Then we can resolve this matter. > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your >slanderous accusations, now would we? > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:59:31 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:58 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBE3wVl23282; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:58:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00fe01c06582$76164a20$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <00b801c06553$b3912a20$5520113f@com> Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:00:55 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/13/2000 20:41:56 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette, you wrote: "God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the champion!!!" If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about your level of education. Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. Any thoughts? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political elections. I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:41:56 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:41:30 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBE4fRl27504; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:41:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <010801c06588$750392e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <00a901c06552$6e188c00$052a03c7@liber8r> <009b01c06553$300fb2c0$5520113f@com> Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/13/2000 20:44:22 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Why can't we all just get along?" Why do you consider the free exchange of information to be a hostile experience? ...too much religion? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Bill Morgan , you wrote: "I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research and find out!" The politics of religion... "Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. You're getting slap-happy. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological celebration.<< > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of assimilating >pre-existing religions as it spread. > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it is >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared an >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), which >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are >not certain why. > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, Bill >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The Winter >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? >Wherever did they get "25" from? > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > >*FOOTNOTE: >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number >names of some of the months: > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the >days that were left over. > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:44:22 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:11 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBE4h8l27680; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <011201c06588$b1401b20$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <00b001c06552$b0189aa0$052a03c7@liber8r> <008901c06552$fe3b59c0$5520113f@com> Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:45:31 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/13/2000 22:03:21 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Well I believe God allows us to make our own choices and one of those choices is choosing to accept or not accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior. Freewill is a topic debated by many Christians. I personally believe that we have freewill to choose sin or to turn away from it. What has your choice been? John 3:16 -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:03:21 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:02:57 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05317; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000801c06593$dfe50520$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 22:05:23 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:23 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:16 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07060 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000901c06594$36077f00$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 22:05:28 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:28 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:16 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07069 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000a01c06594$362910c0$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: 44 Date: 12/13/2000 22:05:32 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:32 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:16 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07079 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000c01c06594$365b6b60$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: 44 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: 46 Date: 12/13/2000 22:05:33 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:33 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:16 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07086 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c06594$368624e0$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: 46 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/13/2000 22:05:55 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:55 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:05:16 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07075 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000b01c06594$36430160$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 07:04:49 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net Bill B's spamming: >>"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32<< Just what in the hell does that have to do with anything here? We are trying to get Bill Morgan to stop his slanderous actions. It doesn't have anything to do with religion. It never had anything to do with religion. It does have everything to do with the truth and with moral conduct, two concepts that are obvious anathema with Bill M and foreign to you. We have heard your Christian witness, loud and clear. I find it difficult to think of anything that condemns Christianity as much as your [plural] Christian witness here. You have demonstrated that you do not live by the principles taught in Scripture, so your hypocritical quoting of Scripture only makes matters worse. A fundamentalist Christian friend, Carl Drews, points out that being saved is one thing, but you are still going to be judged for your actions. Memento mori, Bill B. ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 10:00:14 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill B's spamming: >>"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32<< Just what in the hell does that have to do with anything here? We are trying to get Bill Morgan to stop his slanderous actions. It doesn't have anything to do with religion. It never had anything to do with religion. It does have everything to do with the truth and with moral conduct, two concepts that are obvious anathema with Bill M and foreign to you. We have heard your Christian witness, loud and clear. I find it difficult to think of anything that condemns Christianity as much as your [plural] Christian witness here. You have demonstrated that you do not live by the principles taught in Scripture, so your hypocritical quoting of Scripture only makes matters worse. A fundamentalist Christian friend, Carl Drews, points out that being saved is one thing, but you are still going to be judged for your actions. Memento mori, Bill B. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:00:14 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:59:58 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22570 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KCKN00.SXN for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:05:11 -0800 Received: from chmls17.mediaone.net (chmls17.mediaone.net [24.147.1.152]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20931 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by chmls17.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEF50F27396 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id v.74.5e56798 (15894); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:04:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:53:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <74.5e56798.276a3b91@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 10:00:48 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:00:48 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:00:00 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22594 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:59:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000501c065f6$d4cdef40$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:53:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:21:16 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Lets sing we are teh world! >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley Temple >song? I love Shirley Temple! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter >and > song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york >New > York." > > if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > > > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that >we > >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I > >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, >religion > >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable > >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is >good. > > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we >can > >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of >proportion! > > > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the >possible > >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun > >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. > I > >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure >that > >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me >precisely > >which web page you are talking about." > > > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web >pages > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have >not > >received that information yet as of this time. > > > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this >matter, > >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! > As > >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get >in > >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force > >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (rly-xd02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.167]) by air-xd02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:21:16 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f257.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.30]) by rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:58 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:20:56 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:20:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:20:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:20:56.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D7E8520:01C0660B] ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 12:23:06 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:26:12 -0800 > >Bill wins again! Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave >scores 0. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" > > > To quote Ricky Ricardo: > > "I dunno." > > I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a > licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. > > I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. > > Trivia time! > > (195) > What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what >month > did it occur? > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > > > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 >Dec, > >you wrote: > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > > > >"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me > >about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message >from > >you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that >you > >have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective >action > >on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, >but > >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > > > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific >as > >you can! > > > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > > > >Then we can resolve this matter. > > > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your > >slanderous accusations, now would we? > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.74]) by air-xa01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:23:06 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f108.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.108]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:22:35 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:22:31 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:22:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:22:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:22:31.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[96004F50:01C0660B] ################################################ Subj: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: 12/14/2000 12:29:10 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com, BillBeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net 51 >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:53:28 EST > >In the movie "Serial", Martin Mull enlists the aid of corporate executives >who unwind on weekends as a gay biker gang to rescue his daughter from a >cult. Cut to the biker raid on the cult residence and a cult member >sitting on the couch with the bikers' leader (Christopher Lee): >Cult Member: (using the cult's proselytizing methods) I love you. >Christopher Lee: Ah, but are you ready to prove that? > >Now we have you, Bill B, applying your cult's proselytizing methods as you >say, "Dave Wise I love you!" Well, Bill B, are YOU ready to prove that? >(meant in an entirely different way than Christopher Lee did, of course) > >Does your conduct match your words? We see you mocking us. We see you >condemning us. We see you ecstatic with Schadenfreude (taking pleasure in >somebody else's misfortune). We see you engaged in the modern equivalent >of Jew-baiting. Is that what you mean by love? What a horrid thing. > >Bill B, you know that old saying that actions speak louder than words? >Well, it's true. We hear your actions loud and clear and they make a lie >out of your words. If you really want to practice love, then do so in your >actions as well as in your words. Then your Christian witness can be a >positive one instead of your current negative witness. > > >BTW, the movie had a happy ending, including the cult member riding off >into the sunset (figuratively speaking) on the back of Christopher Lee's >bike. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (rly-xd04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.169]) by air-xd01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:29:10 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.28]) by rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:28:52 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:28:16 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:28:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com, BillBeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:28:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:28:16.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[6397FE40:01C0660C] ################################################ Subj: big news Date: 12/14/2000 12:31:25 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net No offense to anyone but this is getting no whre. I am going ot delete all emails from DWISE for the next two weeks. my kind offer to eat probably will not occur. I tried 53 >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:56:07 EST > >Bill B, we are meeting right here. We can very easily conclude and resolve >this mess that Bill M has created right here online. Indeed, it is the >ideal place and venue to arrive at a resolution, because all the factual >information can be researched and presented much more clearly and >understandably AND UNDERSTOOD much better here on-line than would ever be >possible at a restaurant or any other verbal exchange. Plus, a complete >and accurate record of the proceedings would automatically be generated so >that refreshing our memories of what was said, when, and by whom would be >very easy and error-free. In a verbal exchange, such as in a restaurant, >faulty memory of what was said would only result in further dispute which >would bog down or derail the proceedings. > >Another very pertinent problem is Bill M's penchant for not listening, for >twisting and distorting what had been said (demonstrated most recently by >his falsely accusing me of a "hate crime"), and for inventing events that >never happened. The only way to deal with that is to have a complete and >accurate record of everything that had actually been said. Without such a >record, Bill M would have free rein to make any wild accusation he would >want to and we would have no way to counter those wild accusations and to >impose the facts on him. > >That is why I must insist on a complete and accurate record of EVERYTHING >that is said. It is an absolute necessity when dealing with Bill M. There >can be no compromise on this point. And until such a record can be >generated with absolutely reliability from a verbal exchange, a personal >meeting is completely out of the question. Or until Bill M can >consistently demonstrate for an extended period of time and extended number >of exchanges that he has completely reformed himself. > > >Frankly, I cannot understand why you guys are so fixated on a personal >meeting. The ability to exchange factual information clearly is far more >superior online than in a restaurant. Trying to resolve this matter, with >the need for exchanging and examining exact wording and for conducting >on-the-spot researching (eg, search the record for a specific message), >would actually be greatly impaired in a restaurant. Meeting in a >restaurant for purposes of examining the evidence in order to arrive at a >resolution would be counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense. > >Of course, I have long suspected that Bill Morgan does not want this matter >to be resolved and that his insistence on meeting in a restaurant is >nothing but a diversionary tactic to prevent a resolution. If Bill Morgan >truly wanted to have this matter resolved, he would immediately join in the >online proceedings. As you will observe, he does not. > > >>... you will find him to be a likeable fellow ...<< >I have never doubted that and I have noticed that Bill M obviously has an >extremely high regard for his own personal charm. So what? What does that >have to do with anything? Being likable does not prevent one from doing >terrible things! This matter centers around that facts, not on a >popularity contest. Whether Bill M is likeable has absolutely no bearing >on the matter. > >You want to be able to get together to eat and enjoy some companionship? >Fine, do it. Nobody's stopping you. Just don't include me in your social >events. I'm not starved for company like you guys appear to be. I have >more than enough of social life to deal with. And good food is easily had. > >I simply do not see how meeting personally with Bill Morgan can have any >beneficial consequences. Quite the contrary. It would be so difficult for >me to break free to make such a meeting with him and his conduct online has >made it abundantly clear that Bill M would make that meeting unpleasant and >a total waste of time and effort. I get enough of his manipulative abuse >online; I don't need to go through a lot of extra effort and trouble just >so he can jerk me around in person too. It just isn't worth it. > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:31:25 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.147]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:30:36 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:30:30 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:30:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: big news Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:30:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:30:30.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[B371E340:01C0660C] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:31:45 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net WHAT? You "recall reading"? You're relying on YOUR memory? Bill M, we've seen your memory in action. It almost always gets everything twisted around and wrong. And you have the NERVE to DEMAND A RETRACT based SOLELY ON WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT REMEMBER? Bill M, why do you keep insisting on acting like such an IDIOT!! GO BACK TO THAT WEB PAGE AND READ WHAT I HAD WRITTEN!! I have. I went back and looked for what you could possibly be talking about. I NEVER stated what you claim I did. NEVER!! *I* have looked, so I know that for a fact! And I want you to look it up, too. Because you need to learn how to do it. YOU only imagine and dream up things! Then you make slanderous accusations based solely on what you dream up. And then you refuse to let anybody clear up the mess that you have created. Dreck! Admit it, Bill M! You fabricated every one of those slanderous accusations! ADMIT IT!! Bill Morgan! I DEMAND a written retraction of EVERY INDIVIDUAL SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION you have made against me! EVERY SINGLE ONE! EXPLICITLY! If you refuse to retract any of them, then SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION!!! I DEMAND IT! Log this as the FORTY-SIXTH TIME that I have had to By your actions you demonstrate that you are no friend! I will not socialize with such dreck! Your pulling crap like that only makes it ever more impossible! Give it up because I will NEVER dine with you, not as long as you continue to serve the Enemy of Truth, AKA "the Dark One". ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:32:41 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Morgan, you have a very serious personal problem. You make things up. Then you make wild accusations based solely on those things that you make up, create all kinds of havoc, and then refuse to take responsibility for the evil that you have caused. I think that you can correct part of your problem with some basic scholarship. Let's face it, your memory is fallible; heck, even my own memory is not perfect. You don't remember things as they actually happened; nobody really remembers everything as it actually happened, but it does help if they at least try to get close. Before you shoot your mouth off from the hip [intentional mixed metaphor for humorous purposes], you need to verify that what you remember somebody having said is what they had really said -- and that you remember the right person having said it! You simply cannot rely on your memory to provide you with that information; you have to go back to the source and verify it. Bill M, when I relate what somebody has said, I go back to make sure that they said it. What I find much of the time is that they had indeed said what I thought they had. But sometimes I find that they had actually said something slightly different, or that the context changes the interpretation. A few times, I have even found that I was attributing the statement to the wrong person altogether. In each of those instances, I have changed my statement to fit the facts and, in many of the cases where my memory had not fit the facts, I have refrain from making my intended statement altogether. And in every one of those cases, a little basic scholarship saved me from making a false public statement. Basic scholarship works for me and it can work for you too, Bill M. Even if you are responding to a message that you just received, go back and read it again! A lot of times I start to react to what I see in my first glance at a message, but then I always make sure to read it again, whereupon I often find that the message actually says something quite different than what my first glance had told me. However, you, Bill M, obviously do not go beyond that first glance, so you end up reacting to something that isn't even there. That is why my reaction to your responses is so often "What the hell are you talking about, Bill M?" That is probably also why you never seem to know what is going on (though I also suspect some of your other very serious personal problems). You must read what is written so that you can respond to what was actually said and not to something that you had simply dreamed up. Lack of scholarship is epidemic in the creationist movement. You, Bill M, are the worst example of that problem that I have seem by far. Please, work to correct it. ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:33:07 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Morgan! I DEMAND a written retraction of EVERY INDIVIDUAL SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION you have made against me! EVERY SINGLE ONE! EXPLICITLY! In order that prevent you from weaseling out, here is the list of the first ten of those accusations AND the dates on which you made them. That way, you can go back and read them in the record and identify and present to us the messages that I had written which you claim to have based your accusations on. And so that you cannot try to weasel out by complaining that you don't have the record, I hereby remind you that I gave the entire record to you on 21 August 2000 and that you have free and complete access to it at http://chiefwise.tripod.com/morgan/transcript.html . DO YOUR HOMEWORK. NOW!! 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 2. Thinking you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 3. Thinking you are "wacked for beleiving in God". Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 5. "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]. Date: 03-Aug-00 23:18:25 Pacific Daylight Time 6. That my wife and I had labelled you and your wife as evil. Date: 03-Aug-00 23:18:25 Pacific Daylight Time 7. Calling you "very nasty names." Date: 05-Aug-00 10:38:46 Pacific Daylight Time 8. That I had told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". Date: 07-Aug-00 20:38:54 Pacific Daylight Time 9. That I would think you and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". Date: 10-Aug-00 11:20:34 Pacific Daylight Time 10. That I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. Date: 10-Aug-00 11:20:34 Pacific Daylight Time And just to show you what a really nice guy I am, I won't log this one to the count. But don't expect me to be so lenient next time! NOW TURN TO AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS!!! ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:33:31 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (rly-xb03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.104]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:31 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:23 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22634 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008801c0660c$2e4e54a0$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:26:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:33:52 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com WHAT? You "recall reading"? You're relying on YOUR memory? Bill M, we've seen your memory in action. It almost always gets everything twisted around and wrong. And you have the NERVE to DEMAND A RETRACT based SOLELY ON WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT REMEMBER? Bill M, why do you keep insisting on acting like such an IDIOT!! GO BACK TO THAT WEB PAGE AND READ WHAT I HAD WRITTEN!! I have. I went back and looked for what you could possibly be talking about. I NEVER stated what you claim I did. NEVER!! *I* have looked, so I know that for a fact! And I want you to look it up, too. Because you need to learn how to do it. YOU only imagine and dream up things! Then you make slanderous accusations based solely on what you dream up. And then you refuse to let anybody clear up the mess that you have created. Dreck! Admit it, Bill M! You fabricated every one of those slanderous accusations! ADMIT IT!! Bill Morgan! I DEMAND a written retraction of EVERY INDIVIDUAL SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION you have made against me! EVERY SINGLE ONE! EXPLICITLY! If you refuse to retract any of them, then SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION!!! I DEMAND IT! Log this as the FORTY-SIXTH TIME that I have had to By your actions you demonstrate that you are no friend! I will not socialize with such dreck! Your pulling crap like that only makes it ever more impossible! Give it up because I will NEVER dine with you, not as long as you continue to serve the Enemy of Truth, AKA "the Dark One". ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:51 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:22 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22615 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KRQK00.RBN for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:32:45 -0800 Received: from chmls12.mediaone.net (chmls12.mediaone.net [24.147.1.148]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05130 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by chmls12.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKWJe03074 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.6f.e6c498b (15904); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:31:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:26:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6f.e6c498b.276a8831@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/14/2000 12:34:41 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte year....thanks! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! >:) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Who said I was an atheist? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >well? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological >celebration. > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs >Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated >this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ >as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (rly-xb01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.102]) by air-xb04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:34:41 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.152]) by rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:34:13 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:10 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:33:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Jesus Evidnce Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:33:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:33:10.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[12EC2DD0:01C0660D] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:35:33 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billbeq@mediaone.net CC: DWise1, editor@liberator.net CC: billyjack1@hotmail.com Bill Bequette: You now see that Bill Morgan had just made up his charge about what my web page says concerning licensed engineers. Based on his groundless charge, you had accused me of having slandered him. This means that your own accusation was groundless and unwarranted. I am waiting for you to explain your actions and to apologize. ################################################ Subj: Re: Gid Date: 12/14/2000 12:37:30 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: editor@liberator.net, DWise1 CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Well, Bill M, I really am glad that you have gotten so much Schadenfreude out of deriding that blithering idiot who misspelled "God" as "Gid". Would you like to know who that "blithering idiot" is? Look in the mirror. I'd like you to make an observation about what had tickled your fancy so: > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". Do you notice the quote marks? That means that I was quoting somebody. I was quoting you, Bill Morgan. Here is what you wrote to me on 7 August 2000 at 2038 PDT: >Subj: Re: Dennys >Date: 07-Aug-00 20:38:54 Pacific Daylight Time >From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) >To: DWise1@aol.com > >Wow. You're blind. you said what your wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid and I insulted her? Why did I leave the misspelling as I had found it? Because I am not a creationist. Were I a creationist, then I would have had no qualms about misquoting you. But I am not, so I am honor-bound to not change a quote. The only allowable changes within a quotation are ones that do not change the meaning: ellipses (...) for omitting non-pertinent portions and brackets for grammatical changes (eg, changing your "your" to [my], which maintains the factual content while allowing the quote to fit into the sentence), for explaining what pronouns refer to by presenting the context (eg, showing what person "he" refers to), or for other explanatory information (eg, [sic] to indicate that that is what the original said). Oh, I'm sorry. I used a word that you do not understand: "honor". Too bad it's such a foreign concept to you, since it is the first of the core values. BTW, Bill M, I have repeated that very same quote several times since August. Every single time that I have presented a list of your slanderous accusations against me, the word "Gid" has been there, faithfully reproduced. Why did it take you four months to notice it? Perhaps if you had read my messages before, you would have noticed it. But no, that would have meant that you would have had to listen for a change, which would have been so out of character for you. ################################################ Subj: Giddy Date: 12/14/2000 12:37:39 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Gid luck >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Gid >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0800 > >Bill someof the arguments may mean some folks have Gid!! They better pray >to God and maybe the Gid will go away. Of course they can do the pagan >holiday celebrations to see if that cures the "worms". > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:56 PM > Subject: Gid > > > Gid? > > See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. > > Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the >brain > or spinal cord. Of course we all believe in Gid. > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST > > > > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of > >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << > > > >Excuse me, Bill B! I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking >about so > >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist. To my >knowledge, > >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the >information > >he himself had provided me years ago. If I am in error, then I will > >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. > > > >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine > >that Bill M is refering to. To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE >WITNESSED, I > >have requested that information from Bill M. As of the time of this > >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information. I await his > >informative response. > > > > > >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this? You have accused me of >having > >made "slanderous statements". ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT > >ACCUSATION? Have you seen the statements in question? In context? >Have > >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you > >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it? If Bill M follows his >standard > >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve > >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? > > > >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings. I think that the >two > >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting >attention > >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance. I would hope that I am >wrong, > >but I fear that I am right. > > > >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some >glaring > >differences between the two cases: > > > >1. Supporting evidence: > >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, >I > >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS > >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus >where > >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his > >accusatory statements for themselves. I presented all this information > >right up front without having to be asked for it. Furthermore, I have >Bill > >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. > > > >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information >concerning > >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it? We must hope >that > >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it >properly). > >Instead, he only stated: > > > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > > > >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this >problem. > >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken >action > >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. > > > >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe > >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply. >Instead, he > >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is > >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: > >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of > >licensed mechanical engineers." > >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was >talking > >about my web site. Now I have been able to ask him specifically which >web > >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. > > > >The difference: > >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim >that > >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those >acts > >were. Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet > >another unsupported accusation. > > > > > >2. Actions of the Accused: > >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations > >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to. When I > >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his >accusations > >on, he refused to provide that information. All he did was to repeat >his > >accusations against me and to make new accusations. > > > >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his >new > >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find >the > >offending statement. When Bill M failed to provide the information, as >you > >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify >the > >offending statement. If Bill M again fails to provide that >information, I > >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. > > > >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming. Just as >before: > > i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive >act. > > ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done. In all > >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek > >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement. My > >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back >and > >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want >us > >to examine the facts. > > iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information. Please note > >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is >inaccessible > >except through him. > > iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the > >truth. > > > >The difference: > >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that >the > >issue could be resolved. Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been >to > >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being > >resolved. > > > > > >3. The severity of the offense: > > > >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its > >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary): "a false statement > >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." > So > >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of >injuring > >the person's reputation. > > > >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, > >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it >to > >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his >documented > >actions do that). I am absolutely positive that I had made no such > >statement. At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this > >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement > >would contain a factual inaccuracy. Hardly slander. > > > >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant >to > >injury my reputation. He has accused me of such things as: > > i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" > > ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy >society". > > iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling >2nd > >grader." > > v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. > > vii. Calling him "very nasty names." > > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who >beleive in > >Gid". > > ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the > >world's most sinister people". > > x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. > >Among other things. Each one of those accusations is a direct attack >on my > >reputation. They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's > >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. > > > > > > > >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter. And I am sure that >you > >will yet again ignore them. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:37:39 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.140]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:23:51 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:23:47 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:23:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Giddy Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:23:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:23:47.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[C35561C0:01C0660B] ################################################ Subj: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: 12/14/2000 12:40:29 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com I knew you could finally stop crying like a baby with diaper rash and pose a great question! Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute truth). You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will. I would really like an intellectual response to my premise from you mark. no name calling, just point out any theological flaws that you see. I am not presbyterian, they are big on predestination and their flaw is if that is true, God does predestin people to hell....that is not biblical as I understand Gods holy word. So I beleive in free will. Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful free will. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (rly-yd02.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.2]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:40:29 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.100]) by rly-yd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:40:03 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:38:55 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:38:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:38:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:38:55.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[E06C8430:01C0660D] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:50 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com WHAT? You "recall reading"? You're relying on YOUR memory? Bill M, we've seen your memory in action. It almost always gets everything twisted around and wrong. And you have the NERVE to DEMAND A RETRACT based SOLELY ON WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT REMEMBER? Bill M, why do you keep insisting on acting like such an IDIOT!! GO BACK TO THAT WEB PAGE AND READ WHAT I HAD WRITTEN!! I have. I went back and looked for what you could possibly be talking about. I NEVER stated what you claim I did. NEVER!! *I* have looked, so I know that for a fact! And I want you to look it up, too. Because you need to learn how to do it. YOU only imagine and dream up things! Then you make slanderous accusations based solely on what you dream up. And then you refuse to let anybody clear up the mess that you have created. Dreck! Admit it, Bill M! You fabricated every one of those slanderous accusations! ADMIT IT!! Bill Morgan! I DEMAND a written retraction of EVERY INDIVIDUAL SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION you have made against me! EVERY SINGLE ONE! EXPLICITLY! If you refuse to retract any of them, then SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION!!! I DEMAND IT! Log this as the FORTY-SIXTH TIME that I have had to By your actions you demonstrate that you are no friend! I will not socialize with such dreck! Your pulling crap like that only makes it ever more impossible! Give it up because I will NEVER dine with you, not as long as you continue to serve the Enemy of Truth, AKA "the Dark One". ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (rly-yb04.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.4]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:49 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:36 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04174 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KRRL00.B5M for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:21 -0800 Received: from chmls19.mediaone.net (chmls19.mediaone.net [24.147.1.154]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22022 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by chmls19.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKWSB13079 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.77.d7dea5d (15862); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <77.d7dea5d.276a884d@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:51 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (rly-xb03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.104]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:50 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:43 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04332 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008c01c0660e$514c3ce0$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:52 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan, you have a very serious personal problem. You make things up. Then you make wild accusations based solely on those things that you make up, create all kinds of havoc, and then refuse to take responsibility for the evil that you have caused. I think that you can correct part of your problem with some basic scholarship. Let's face it, your memory is fallible; heck, even my own memory is not perfect. You don't remember things as they actually happened; nobody really remembers everything as it actually happened, but it does help if they at least try to get close. Before you shoot your mouth off from the hip [intentional mixed metaphor for humorous purposes], you need to verify that what you remember somebody having said is what they had really said -- and that you remember the right person having said it! You simply cannot rely on your memory to provide you with that information; you have to go back to the source and verify it. Bill M, when I relate what somebody has said, I go back to make sure that they said it. What I find much of the time is that they had indeed said what I thought they had. But sometimes I find that they had actually said something slightly different, or that the context changes the interpretation. A few times, I have even found that I was attributing the statement to the wrong person altogether. In each of those instances, I have changed my statement to fit the facts and, in many of the cases where my memory had not fit the facts, I have refrain from making my intended statement altogether. And in every one of those cases, a little basic scholarship saved me from making a false public statement. Basic scholarship works for me and it can work for you too, Bill M. Even if you are responding to a message that you just received, go back and read it again! A lot of times I start to react to what I see in my first glance at a message, but then I always make sure to read it again, whereupon I often find that the message actually says something quite different than what my first glance had told me. However, you, Bill M, obviously do not go beyond that first glance, so you end up reacting to something that isn't even there. That is why my reaction to your responses is so often "What the hell are you talking about, Bill M?" That is probably also why you never seem to know what is going on (though I also suspect some of your other very serious personal problems). You must read what is written so that you can respond to what was actually said and not to something that you had simply dreamed up. Lack of scholarship is epidemic in the creationist movement. You, Bill M, are the worst example of that problem that I have seem by far. Please, work to correct it. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:52 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:39 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04279 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KRU700.U4U for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:34:55 -0800 Received: from chmls17.mediaone.net (chmls17.mediaone.net [24.147.1.152]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22869 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by chmls17.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKXbF27719 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.6e.5e5dd5b (15882); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6e.5e5dd5b.276a8869@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:54 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (rly-xd02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.167]) by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:36 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04208 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008901c0660e$4d558740$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:57 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.103]) by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:57 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:40 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04301 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008b01c0660e$5005b320$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:57 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette: You now see that Bill Morgan had just made up his charge about what my web page says concerning licensed engineers. Based on his groundless charge, you had accused me of having slandered him. This means that your own accusation was groundless and unwarranted. I am waiting for you to explain your actions and to apologize. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (rly-zb05.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.5]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:57 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:42 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04311 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KRWT00.RCN for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:36:29 -0800 Received: from chmls10.mediaone.net (chmls10.mediaone.net [24.147.1.147]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08255 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by chmls10.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKZrR07529 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id v.44.9c8e75d (15900); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:35:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <44.9c8e75d.276a8915@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:48:58 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan! I DEMAND a written retraction of EVERY INDIVIDUAL SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION you have made against me! EVERY SINGLE ONE! EXPLICITLY! In order that prevent you from weaseling out, here is the list of the first ten of those accusations AND the dates on which you made them. That way, you can go back and read them in the record and identify and present to us the messages that I had written which you claim to have based your accusations on. And so that you cannot try to weasel out by complaining that you don't have the record, I hereby remind you that I gave the entire record to you on 21 August 2000 and that you have free and complete access to it at http://chiefwise.tripod.com/morgan/transcript.html . DO YOUR HOMEWORK. NOW!! 1. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [you] and [your] wife" Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 2. Thinking you are "some evil wicked person out to destroy society". Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 3. Thinking you are "wacked for beleiving in God". Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 4. "[P]ersonally insulting [you] on the level of a name calling 2nd grader." Date: 02-Aug-00 23:28:12 Pacific Daylight Time 5. "[I]nsulting [your] wife and [you]. Date: 03-Aug-00 23:18:25 Pacific Daylight Time 6. That my wife and I had labelled you and your wife as evil. Date: 03-Aug-00 23:18:25 Pacific Daylight Time 7. Calling you "very nasty names." Date: 05-Aug-00 10:38:46 Pacific Daylight Time 8. That I had told you "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in Gid". Date: 07-Aug-00 20:38:54 Pacific Daylight Time 9. That I would think you and your wife "are evil and wicked, the world's most sinister people". Date: 10-Aug-00 11:20:34 Pacific Daylight Time 10. That I refuse to meet you because of your beliefs. Date: 10-Aug-00 11:20:34 Pacific Daylight Time And just to show you what a really nice guy I am, I won't log this one to the count. But don't expect me to be so lenient next time! NOW TURN TO AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS!!! ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:38 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04239 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KRTD00.I6Y for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:34:25 -0800 Received: from chmls12.mediaone.net (chmls12.mediaone.net [24.147.1.148]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22862 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by chmls12.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKXce05009 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.1e.e96055e (15867); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:33:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <1e.e96055e.276a8883@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Gid Date: 12/14/2000 12:49:03 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:49:03 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:46 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04388 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008d01c0660e$53223560$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Gid Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gid Date: 12/14/2000 12:49:03 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Well, Bill M, I really am glad that you have gotten so much Schadenfreude out of deriding that blithering idiot who misspelled "God" as "Gid". Would you like to know who that "blithering idiot" is? Look in the mirror. I'd like you to make an observation about what had tickled your fancy so: > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid". Do you notice the quote marks? That means that I was quoting somebody. I was quoting you, Bill Morgan. Here is what you wrote to me on 7 August 2000 at 2038 PDT: >Subj: Re: Dennys >Date: 07-Aug-00 20:38:54 Pacific Daylight Time >From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) >To: DWise1@aol.com > >Wow. You're blind. you said what your wife thought of those who beleive in >Gid and I insulted her? Why did I leave the misspelling as I had found it? Because I am not a creationist. Were I a creationist, then I would have had no qualms about misquoting you. But I am not, so I am honor-bound to not change a quote. The only allowable changes within a quotation are ones that do not change the meaning: ellipses (...) for omitting non-pertinent portions and brackets for grammatical changes (eg, changing your "your" to [my], which maintains the factual content while allowing the quote to fit into the sentence), for explaining what pronouns refer to by presenting the context (eg, showing what person "he" refers to), or for other explanatory information (eg, [sic] to indicate that that is what the original said). Oh, I'm sorry. I used a word that you do not understand: "honor". Too bad it's such a foreign concept to you, since it is the first of the core values. BTW, Bill M, I have repeated that very same quote several times since August. Every single time that I have presented a list of your slanderous accusations against me, the word "Gid" has been there, faithfully reproduced. Why did it take you four months to notice it? Perhaps if you had read my messages before, you would have noticed it. But no, that would have meant that you would have had to listen for a change, which would have been so out of character for you. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:49:02 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:46 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04351 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KS0L00.O6V for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:38:45 -0800 Received: from chmls17.mediaone.net (chmls17.mediaone.net [24.147.1.152]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10496 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by chmls17.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKcOF04705 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.3c.4f8ce00 (15870); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:37:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Gid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3c.4f8ce00.276a898a@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 12:54:12 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:54:10 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:48:46 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04259 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:48:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008a01c0660e$4eae6080$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 12:55:32 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead.<< Bill M, what your echolallic "dog" says is of no importance. We all know full well that he is neither independent nor unbiased. Your statement is a flat-out plain lie. Why do you fear and hate the truth so much? ################################################ Subj: Re: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: 12/14/2000 12:59:11 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net Bill M, please stop with your idiotic "message in the subject line." We already know that you have nothing to say. >>Subj: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? << The answer to your question is: allowing us to resolve the mess caused by your slanderous accusations. Again, what part of "Bill Morgan is the perpetrator and the transgressor" do you not understand? ################################################ Subj: Re: big news Date: 12/14/2000 13:03:37 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>No offense to anyone but this is getting no whre. I am going ot delete all emails from DWISE for the next two weeks. my kind offer to eat probably will not occur. I tried << Bill Morgan, all you have tried to do has been to derail the resolution of the God-awful mess that you have created! You know full well what needs to be done in order to resolve what you have created with your slander. And you know that dinner is not the solution, but rather yet another one of your Goddammned "rabbit trail" tricks! Why are you so afraid of the truth? Because it would expose your evil? ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 13:04:05 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com >>The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead.<< Bill M, what your echolallic "dog" says is of no importance. We all know full well that he is neither independent nor unbiased. Your statement is a flat-out plain lie. Why do you fear and hate the truth so much? ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:04:05 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:54 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16094 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KSU100.9C4 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:56:25 -0800 Received: from chmls12.mediaone.net (chmls12.mediaone.net [24.147.1.148]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23426 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by chmls12.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKuGe06836 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.11.d135963 (5708); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:55:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:57:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <11.d135963.276a8dc4@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: 12/14/2000 13:04:06 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill M, please stop with your idiotic "message in the subject line." We already know that you have nothing to say. >>Subj: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? << The answer to your question is: allowing us to resolve the mess caused by your slanderous accusations. Again, what part of "Bill Morgan is the perpetrator and the transgressor" do you not understand? ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:04:06 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:56 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16131 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KSZC00.THB for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:59:36 -0800 Received: from chmls17.mediaone.net (chmls17.mediaone.net [24.147.1.152]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12901 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by chmls17.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEKxPF02902 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.b0.da485df (5717); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:59:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:57:10 -0800 Subject: Re: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: ################################################ Subj: Re: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: 12/14/2000 13:04:15 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.103]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:04:14 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:55 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16156 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008f01c06610$6ff65b60$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: What is more loving than offering to eat with you????? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:57:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 13:04:20 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:04:20 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:04:05 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16110 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008e01c06610$6ec09a80$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:57:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 13:06:57 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1 CC: editor@liberator.net >>The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead.<< I know, why don't we bring your pastor in on this? I'm sure that he would be very interested in seeing the manner in which you performing your Christian witness of hatred and slander. What church do you attend, so I can contact him? ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/14/2000 13:07:45 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Mark, pleae let Dave know he is on two weeks probation, I wont be opening his mail for two weeks because he got away from intellectual discourse and into emotional attacks. I welcome your questions like the one you posed on free will. How would you answer your own question? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:45:31 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Why can't we all just get along?" > >Why do you consider the free exchange of information to be a hostile >experience? > >...too much religion? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research >and find out!" > >The politics of religion... > >"Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" > >I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. >You're getting slap-happy. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > >mythological celebration.<< > > > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of >assimilating > >pre-existing religions as it spread. > > > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the > >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it >is > >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared >an > >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what > >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), >which > >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian > >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are > >not certain why. > > > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, >Bill > >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The >Winter > >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted > >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the > >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months > >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? > >Wherever did they get "25" from? > > > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > > > > >*FOOTNOTE: > >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number > >names of some of the months: > > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month > >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the > >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the > >days that were left over. > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:07:44 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.69]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:51:33 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:40:47 -0800 Received: from 164.45.101.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:40:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.45.101.11] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:40:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 20:40:47.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[232E3520:01C0660E] ################################################ Subj: Re: big news Date: 12/14/2000 13:19:11 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:11 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:03 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27920 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009001c06612$8b964720$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: big news Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:12:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 13:19:14 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com >>The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead.<< I know, why don't we bring your pastor in on this? I'm sure that he would be very interested in seeing the manner in which you performing your Christian witness of hatred and slander. 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But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (rly-xd04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.169]) by air-xd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:19 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:05 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27947 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009101c06612$8cc466e0$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:12:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: big news Date: 12/14/2000 13:19:24 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com >>No offense to anyone but this is getting no whre. I am going ot delete all emails from DWISE for the next two weeks. my kind offer to eat probably will not occur. I tried << Bill Morgan, all you have tried to do has been to derail the resolution of the God-awful mess that you have created! You know full well what needs to be done in order to resolve what you have created with your slander. And you know that dinner is not the solution, but rather yet another one of your Goddammned "rabbit trail" tricks! Why are you so afraid of the truth? Because it would expose your evil? ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (rly-xb02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.103]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:24 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:02 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27906 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KT6M00.IFE for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:58 -0800 Received: from chmls12.mediaone.net (chmls12.mediaone.net [24.147.1.148]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28890 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by chmls12.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBEL3me17595 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.3e.4f2b2e3 (15890); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:12:17 -0800 Subject: Re: big news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3e.4f2b2e3.276a8fa9@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: 12/14/2000 14:06:11 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Extremely well thought out argument as usual Bill! Good job Christian Brother! = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: Finally! an intellgent question! I knew you could finally stop crying like a baby with diaper rash and pose a great question! Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute truth). You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will. I would really like an intellectual response to my premise from you mark. no name calling, just point out any theological flaws that you see. I am not presbyterian, they are big on predestination and their flaw is if that is true, God does predestin people to hell....that is not biblical as I understand Gods holy word. So I beleive in free will. Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful free will. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
Extremely well thought out argument as usual Bill!  Good job Christian Brother!  =  )
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: Finally! an intellgent question!
I knew you could finally stop crying like a baby with diaper rash and pose a great question! Does god know the future?  I beleive yes.  Does that mean he predetermined it?  I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute truth). You got two kids.  you sit them down and explain to them "you will have free reign of the kitchen.  My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will).  You leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will. I would really like an intellectual response to my premise from you mark.  no name calling, just point out any theological flaws that you see. I am not presbyterian, they are big on predestination and their flaw is if that is true, God does predestin people to hell....that is not biblical as I understand Gods holy word. So I beleive in free will.  Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful free will. >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides.  If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win.  Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist?  If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion.  Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined.  And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won!  Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (rly-xa01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.70]) by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:11 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:05:40 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05065; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:05:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a301c06619$0978c860$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:58:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C065D5.FA075D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/14/2000 14:06:33 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Praise the Lord ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Jesus Evidnce The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte year....thanks! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! >:) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Who said I was an atheist? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >well? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological >celebration. > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs >Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated >this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ >as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. 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Praise the Lord
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Jesus Evidnce
The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte year....thanks! >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"He can't as you descibe him = ).  But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! >:) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Who said I was an atheist? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >well? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological >celebration. > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas.  Are you true to your >beliefs >Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" <spambuster@gigagod.com> > >To: "Bill Bequette" <BillBeq@mediaone.net>,   "Bill Morgan" > ><billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> > >CC: <editor@liberator.net> > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome.  Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > >  = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette <BillBeq@mediaone.net>, you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism.  Pagans heavily celebrated >this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love.  Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ >as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology.  So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > >To: <DWise1@aol.com> > >Cc: <billbeq@mediaone.net>; <editor@liberator.net> > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no!  Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> > > > >CC: <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan.  READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"?  No, I did not!  What I did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act".  Like you insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me?  >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:33 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:15 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05391; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:05:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ae01c06619$1cca2800$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C065D6.08557980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: big news Date: 12/14/2000 14:06:49 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net 54 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: big news No offense to anyone but this is getting no whre. I am going ot delete all emails from DWISE for the next two weeks. my kind offer to eat probably will not occur. I tried 53 >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: >CC: , , >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:56:07 EST > >Bill B, we are meeting right here. We can very easily conclude and resolve >this mess that Bill M has created right here online. Indeed, it is the >ideal place and venue to arrive at a resolution, because all the factual >information can be researched and presented much more clearly and >understandably AND UNDERSTOOD much better here on-line than would ever be >possible at a restaurant or any other verbal exchange. Plus, a complete >and accurate record of the proceedings would automatically be generated so >that refreshing our memories of what was said, when, and by whom would be >very easy and error-free. In a verbal exchange, such as in a restaurant, >faulty memory of what was said would only result in further dispute which >would bog down or derail the proceedings. > >Another very pertinent problem is Bill M's penchant for not listening, for >twisting and distorting what had been said (demonstrated most recently by >his falsely accusing me of a "hate crime"), and for inventing events that >never happened. The only way to deal with that is to have a complete and >accurate record of everything that had actually been said. Without such a >record, Bill M would have free rein to make any wild accusation he would >want to and we would have no way to counter those wild accusations and to >impose the facts on him. > >That is why I must insist on a complete and accurate record of EVERYTHING >that is said. It is an absolute necessity when dealing with Bill M. There >can be no compromise on this point. And until such a record can be >generated with absolutely reliability from a verbal exchange, a personal >meeting is completely out of the question. Or until Bill M can >consistently demonstrate for an extended period of time and extended number >of exchanges that he has completely reformed himself. > > >Frankly, I cannot understand why you guys are so fixated on a personal >meeting. The ability to exchange factual information clearly is far more >superior online than in a restaurant. Trying to resolve this matter, with >the need for exchanging and examining exact wording and for conducting >on-the-spot researching (eg, search the record for a specific message), >would actually be greatly impaired in a restaurant. Meeting in a >restaurant for purposes of examining the evidence in order to arrive at a >resolution would be counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense. > >Of course, I have long suspected that Bill Morgan does not want this matter >to be resolved and that his insistence on meeting in a restaurant is >nothing but a diversionary tactic to prevent a resolution. If Bill Morgan >truly wanted to have this matter resolved, he would immediately join in the >online proceedings. As you will observe, he does not. > > >>... you will find him to be a likeable fellow ...<< >I have never doubted that and I have noticed that Bill M obviously has an >extremely high regard for his own personal charm. So what? What does that >have to do with anything? Being likable does not prevent one from doing >terrible things! This matter centers around that facts, not on a >popularity contest. Whether Bill M is likeable has absolutely no bearing >on the matter. > >You want to be able to get together to eat and enjoy some companionship? >Fine, do it. Nobody's stopping you. Just don't include me in your social >events. I'm not starved for company like you guys appear to be. I have >more than enough of social life to deal with. And good food is easily had. > >I simply do not see how meeting personally with Bill Morgan can have any >beneficial consequences. Quite the contrary. It would be so difficult for >me to break free to make such a meeting with him and his conduct online has >made it abundantly clear that Bill M would make that meeting unpleasant and >a total waste of time and effort. I get enough of his manipulative abuse >online; I don't need to go through a lot of extra effort and trouble just >so he can jerk me around in person too. It just isn't worth it. > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: big news
No offense to anyone but this is getting no whre.  I am going ot delete all emails from DWISE for the next two weeks. my kind offer to eat probably will not occur.  I tried 53 >From: DWise1@aol.com >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net> >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:56:07 EST > >Bill B, we are meeting right here.  We can very easily conclude and resolve >this mess that Bill M has created right here online.  Indeed, it is the >ideal place and venue to arrive at a resolution, because all the factual >information can be researched and presented much more clearly and >understandably AND UNDERSTOOD much better here on-line than would ever be >possible at a restaurant or any other verbal exchange.  Plus, a complete >and accurate record of the proceedings would automatically be generated so >that refreshing our memories of what was said, when, and by whom would be >very easy and error-free.  In a verbal exchange, such as in a restaurant, >faulty memory of what was said would only result in further dispute which >would bog down or derail the proceedings. > >Another very pertinent problem is Bill M's penchant for not listening, for >twisting and distorting what had been said (demonstrated most recently by >his falsely accusing me of a "hate crime"), and for inventing events that >never happened.  The only way to deal with that is to have a complete and >accurate record of everything that had actually been said.  Without such a >record, Bill M would have free rein to make any wild accusation he would >want to and we would have no way to counter those wild accusations and to >impose the facts on him. > >That is why I must insist on a complete and accurate record of EVERYTHING >that is said.  It is an absolute necessity when dealing with Bill M.  There >can be no compromise on this point.  And until such a record can be >generated with absolutely reliability from a verbal exchange, a personal >meeting is completely out of the question.  Or until Bill M can >consistently demonstrate for an extended period of time and extended number >of exchanges that he has completely reformed himself. > > >Frankly, I cannot understand why you guys are so fixated on a personal >meeting.  The ability to exchange factual information clearly is far more >superior online than in a restaurant.  Trying to resolve this matter, with >the need for exchanging and examining exact wording and for conducting >on-the-spot researching (eg, search the record for a specific message), >would actually be greatly impaired in a restaurant.  Meeting in a >restaurant for purposes of examining the evidence in order to arrive at a >resolution would be counter-productive.  It doesn't make any sense. > >Of course, I have long suspected that Bill Morgan does not want this matter >to be resolved and that his insistence on meeting in a restaurant is >nothing but a diversionary tactic to prevent a resolution.  If Bill Morgan >truly wanted to have this matter resolved, he would immediately join in the >online proceedings.  As you will observe, he does not. > > >>... you will find him to be a likeable fellow ...<< >I have never doubted that and I have noticed that Bill M obviously has an >extremely high regard for his own personal charm.  So what?  What does that >have to do with anything?  Being likable does not prevent one from doing >terrible things!  This matter centers around that facts, not on a >popularity contest.  Whether Bill M is likeable has absolutely no bearing >on the matter. > >You want to be able to get together to eat and enjoy some companionship?  >Fine, do it.  Nobody's stopping you.  Just don't include me in your social >events.  I'm not starved for company like you guys appear to be.  I have >more than enough of social life to deal with.  And good food is easily had. > >I simply do not see how meeting personally with Bill Morgan can have any >beneficial consequences.  Quite the contrary.  It would be so difficult for >me to break free to make such a meeting with him and his conduct online has >made it abundantly clear that Bill M would make that meeting unpleasant and >a total waste of time and effort.  I get enough of his manipulative abuse >online; I don't need to go through a lot of extra effort and trouble just >so he can jerk me around in person too.  It just isn't worth it. > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (rly-zb03.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.3]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:49 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:24 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05605; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:06:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b501c06619$2114ca00$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: big news Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C065D6.122FC0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Giddy Date: 12/14/2000 14:07:24 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:23 PM Subject: Giddy Gid luck >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Gid >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0800 > >Bill someof the arguments may mean some folks have Gid!! They better pray >to God and maybe the Gid will go away. Of course they can do the pagan >holiday celebrations to see if that cures the "worms". > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:56 PM > Subject: Gid > > > Gid? > > See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. > > Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the >brain > or spinal cord. Of course we all believe in Gid. > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST > > > > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of > >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << > > > >Excuse me, Bill B! I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking >about so > >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist. To my >knowledge, > >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the >information > >he himself had provided me years ago. If I am in error, then I will > >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. > > > >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine > >that Bill M is refering to. To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE >WITNESSED, I > >have requested that information from Bill M. As of the time of this > >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information. I await his > >informative response. > > > > > >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this? You have accused me of >having > >made "slanderous statements". ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT > >ACCUSATION? Have you seen the statements in question? In context? >Have > >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you > >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it? If Bill M follows his >standard > >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve > >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? > > > >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings. I think that the >two > >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting >attention > >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance. I would hope that I am >wrong, > >but I fear that I am right. > > > >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some >glaring > >differences between the two cases: > > > >1. Supporting evidence: > >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, >I > >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS > >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus >where > >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his > >accusatory statements for themselves. I presented all this information > >right up front without having to be asked for it. Furthermore, I have >Bill > >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. > > > >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information >concerning > >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it? We must hope >that > >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it >properly). > >Instead, he only stated: > > > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > > > >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this >problem. > >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken >action > >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. > > > >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe > >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply. >Instead, he > >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is > >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: > >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of > >licensed mechanical engineers." > >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was >talking > >about my web site. Now I have been able to ask him specifically which >web > >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. > > > >The difference: > >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim >that > >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those >acts > >were. Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet > >another unsupported accusation. > > > > > >2. Actions of the Accused: > >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations > >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to. When I > >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his >accusations > >on, he refused to provide that information. All he did was to repeat >his > >accusations against me and to make new accusations. > > > >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his >new > >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find >the > >offending statement. When Bill M failed to provide the information, as >you > >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify >the > >offending statement. If Bill M again fails to provide that >information, I > >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. > > > >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming. Just as >before: > > i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive >act. > > ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done. In all > >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek > >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement. My > >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back >and > >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want >us > >to examine the facts. > > iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information. Please note > >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is >inaccessible > >except through him. > > iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the > >truth. > > > >The difference: > >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that >the > >issue could be resolved. Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been >to > >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being > >resolved. > > > > > >3. The severity of the offense: > > > >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its > >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary): "a false statement > >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." > So > >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of >injuring > >the person's reputation. > > > >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, > >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it >to > >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his >documented > >actions do that). I am absolutely positive that I had made no such > >statement. At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this > >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement > >would contain a factual inaccuracy. Hardly slander. > > > >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant >to > >injury my reputation. He has accused me of such things as: > > i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" > > ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy >society". > > iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". > > iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling >2nd > >grader." > > v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. > > vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. > > vii. Calling him "very nasty names." > > viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who >beleive in > >Gid". > > ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the > >world's most sinister people". > > x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. > >Among other things. Each one of those accusations is a direct attack >on my > >reputation. They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's > >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. > > > > > > > >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter. And I am sure that >you > >will yet again ignore them. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:23 PM
Subject: Giddy
Gid luck >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Gid >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0800 > >Bill someof the arguments may mean some folks have Gid!! They better pray >to God and maybe the Gid will go away.  Of course they can do the pagan >holiday celebrations to see if that cures the "worms". >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: DWise1@aol.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net >   Cc: editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:56 PM >   Subject: Gid > > >   Gid? > >   See the error in typed text, you talked about belief in Gid. > >   Gid is a disease in sheep, caused by the larvae of a tapeworm in the >brain >   or spinal cord.  Of course we all believe in Gid. > > >   >From: DWise1@aol.com >   >To: <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >   >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >   >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:22:13 EST >   > >   > >>Bill Morgan is a Registered Professional Engineer in the State of >   >California. Retract your slanderous statements! << >   > >   >Excuse me, Bill B!  I am trying to find out what Bill M is talking >about so >   >that I can correct the problem, if it does in fact exist.  To my >knowledge, >   >I report his status on my web site accurately according to the >information >   >he himself had provided me years ago.  If I am in error, then I will >   >correct that error and apologize to him appropriately. >   > >   >But for me to be able to do that, I need to know what statement of mine >   >that Bill M is refering to.  To that end, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE >WITNESSED, I >   >have requested that information from Bill M.  As of the time of this >   >writing, he had not yet provided me with that information.  I await his >   >informative response. >   > >   > >   >Now, Bill B, what do YOU know about this?  You have accused me of >having >   >made "slanderous statements".  ON WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU BASE THAT >   >ACCUSATION?  Have you seen the statements in question?  In context?  >Have >   >you yourself read what I had written and, BASED ON THAT READING, do you >   >agree with Bill Morgan's assessment of it?  If Bill M follows his >standard >   >form and refuses to provide me with the information we need to resolve >   >this, are you ready and able to provide the necessary information? >   > >   >Frankly, I am very suspicious of these proceedings.  I think that the >two >   >of you are trying to take the moral high-ground while diverting >attention >   >away from Bill M's slanderous malfeasance.  I would hope that I am >wrong, >   >but I fear that I am right. >   > >   >While we are waiting for Bill M's response, let us consider some >glaring >   >differences between the two cases: >   > >   >1. Supporting evidence: >   >a. When I stated that Bill Morgan had made his accusations against me, >I >   >provided the ACTUAL TEXT of his accusatory statements, context, PLUS >   >bibliographical information (eg, date and time of the message, plus >where >   >the messages could be found) so that anybody could go and read his >   >accusatory statements for themselves.  I presented all this information >   >right up front without having to be asked for it.  Furthermore, I have >Bill >   >Morgan's certification that he had indeed made those accusations. >   > >   >b. Bill Morgan has not provided any of that kind of information >concerning >   >his new accusation (sorry, but what else can I call it?  We must hope >that >   >if this one also proves to be false that Bill M will handle it >properly). >   >Instead, he only stated: >   > >   >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >   >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" >   > >   >BTW, that is the very first time I have heard anything about this >problem. >   >Perhaps you can explain how Bill M expects me to have already taken >action >   >on a problem that he hadn't even informed me of yet. >   > >   >Then when I asked him "Whatever are you talking about? Please describe >   >SPECIFICALLY where that claim was made.", he failed to comply.  >Instead, he >   >gave the address of the licensing agency (whatever relevance THAT is >   >supposed to have to the question of what I had written) and said: >   >"i demand you retract your web site that mentions never having heard of >   >licensed mechanical engineers." >   >That, Bill B, is the very first indication I had that Bill M was >talking >   >about my web site.  Now I have been able to ask him specifically which >web >   >page he is refering to, his response to which we are still awaiting. >   > >   >The difference: >   >I provided specific and fairly complete evidence to support my claim >that >   >Bill Morgan had committed a serious of acts and to describe what those >acts >   >were.  Bill Morgan did not provide any evidence, but merely made yet >   >another unsupported accusation. >   > >   > >   >2. Actions of the Accused: >   >a. When I informed Bill Morgan that I was challenging his accusations >   >against and demanded that he substantiate them, he refused to.  When I >   >asked him to describe what I had written that he was basing his >accusations >   >on, he refused to provide that information.  All he did was to repeat >his >   >accusations against me and to make new accusations. >   > >   >b. As you read above, the very first thing I did when Bill M made his >new >   >accusation was to ask for pertinent information so that I could find >the >   >offending statement.  When Bill M failed to provide the information, as >you >   >read above, I asked again for pertinent information needed to identify >the >   >offending statement.  If Bill M again fails to provide that >information, I >   >will request it yet again in my determination to arrive at the truth. >   > >   >At this point, you should see a familiar pattern forming.  Just as >before: >   >    i. Bill Morgan accuses me of having committed some very offensive >act. >   >   ii. I try to get him to tell me what I was supposed to done.  In all >   >cases so far, every such act would have to have been written, so I seek >   >sufficient information to identify the offending written statement.  My >   >stated intent for the requested information is so that I can go back >and >   >compare Bill M's version with what I had actually written; i.e, I want >us >   >to examine the facts. >   >  iii. Bill M refuses to provide the required information.  Please note >   >that the information resides solely in his memory and so is >inaccessible >   >except through him. >   >   iv. Bill B applauds Bill Morgan for having once again thwarted the >   >truth. >   > >   >The difference: >   >My actions have consistently been to seek further information so that >the >   >issue could be resolved.  Bill Morgan's actions have consistently been >to >   >withhold vital information, thus preventing the issue from ever being >   >resolved. >   > >   > >   >3. The severity of the offense: >   > >   >First, since the term "slander" has been used, let us consider its >   >definition (The Merriam-Webster Dictionary):  "a false statement >   >maliciously uttered and intended to injure the reputation of a person." >  So >   >for a false statement to be slanderous, it must have the effect of >injuring >   >the person's reputation. >   > >   >a. In the case of my alleged statements concerning Bill M's licensing, >   >there could only be injury to his reputation if I were to have used it >to >   >cast doubt on his character or integrity (actually, most of his >documented >   >actions do that).  I am absolutely positive that I had made no such >   >statement.  At the very worst that I can imagine (remember that at this >   >point I still have no idea what Bill M is talking about), my statement >   >would contain a factual inaccuracy.  Hardly slander. >   > >   >b. Bill Morgan's accusatory statements against me are definitely meant >to >   >injury my reputation.  He has accused me of such things as: >   >     i. Having conducted "bigoted attacks on [him] and [his] wife" >   >    ii. Thinking he is "some evil wicked person out to destroy >society". >   >   iii. Thinking he is "wacked for beleiving in God". >   >    iv. "[P]ersonally insulting [him] on the level of a name calling >2nd >   >grader." >   >     v. "[I]nsulting [his] wife and [him]. >   >    vi. That my wife and I had labelled him and his wife as evil. >   >   vii. Calling him "very nasty names." >   >  viii. That I had told him "what [my] wife thought of those who >beleive in >   >Gid". >   >    ix. That I would think he and his wife "are evil and wicked, the >   >world's most sinister people". >   >     x. That I refuse to meet him because of his beliefs. >   >Among other things.  Each one of those accusations is a direct attack >on my >   >reputation.  They most definitely meet the "injury to a person's >   >reputation" criterion for being slanderous. >   > >   > >   > >   >Well, Bill B, there are the facts of this matter.  And I am sure that >you >   >will yet again ignore them. >   > > >   >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >   Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:07:23 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:06:53 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05988; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c001c06619$33d6bae0$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Giddy Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C065D6.24EA1060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: 12/14/2000 14:08:19 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net And the Supremes just ruled no more recounts!!! So Bill you win = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:26:12 -0800 > >Bill wins again! Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave >scores 0. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: DWise1@aol.com > Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" > > > To quote Ricky Ricardo: > > "I dunno." > > I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a > licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. > > I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. > > Trivia time! > > (195) > What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what >month > did it occur? > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST > > > >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan. It just occured to me. On 10 >Dec, > >you wrote: > >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" > > > >"DID [I] retract ..."! That statement says that you had written to me > >about this matter before! I have no recollection of any such message >from > >you, Bill M. As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that >you > >have raised this issue. How could I have already taken corrective >action > >on something before having been informed of it? I may be good, Bill M, >but > >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. > > > >When did you write to me about that, Bill M? Get that date as specific >as > >you can! > > > >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. > > > >Then we can resolve this matter. > > > >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your > >slanderous accusations, now would we? > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
And the Supremes just ruled no more recounts!!! So Bill you win
 
=  )
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander"
The independent unbiased arbitrator has me ahead. >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:26:12 -0800 > >Bill wins again!  Bill scores so far 12,234,234,234,234,234,234 and Dave >scores 0. >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:07 PM >   Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" > > >   To quote Ricky Ricardo: > >   "I dunno." > >   I dunno exactly which web page, I just rememba reading you implied a >   licensed engineer was a fantasy claim. > >   I here by apologize for any confusion, but I did read that. > >   Trivia time! > >   (195) >   What was the name of the first US ship to sink a U boat and in what >month >   did it occur? > > >   >From: DWise1@aol.com >   >To: <billyjack1@hotmail.com> >   >CC: <DWise1@aol.com>, <billbeq@mediaone.net>, <editor@liberator.net> >   >Subject: Regarding PE "Slander" >   >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:36:55 EST >   > >   >Uh, wait a minute there, Bill Morgan.  It just occured to me.  On 10 >Dec, >   >you wrote: >   >"By the way, did you retract your claim about my being  a registered >   >Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California?" >   > >   >"DID [I] retract ..."!  That statement says that you had written to me >   >about this matter before!  I have no recollection of any such message >from >   >you, Bill M.  As far as I can tell, this is the very first time that >you >   >have raised this issue.  How could I have already taken corrective >action >   >on something before having been informed of it?  I may be good, Bill M, >but >   >I cannot read minds, no matter what my wife believes. >   > >   >When did you write to me about that, Bill M?  Get that date as specific >as >   >you can! >   > >   >Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web pages >   >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please >   >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >   >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one >   >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them. >   > >   >Then we can resolve this matter. >   > >   >We certainly would not want this to turn into yet another of your >   >slanderous accusations, now would we? >   > > >   >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >   Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:19 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:07:37 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06475; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:07:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c901c06619$4a53df00$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Regarding PE "Slander" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:00:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C065D6.3B77FD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/14/2000 14:10:19 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net I also love listening to Barbara Streisand and watching her movies!! She makes me so happy! Did you know Barbara is a big contributor to the Democratic Party! She is special. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Lets sing we are teh world! >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley Temple >song? I love Shirley Temple! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter >and > song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york >New > York." > > if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > > > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is that >we > >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. I > >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, >religion > >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable > >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food is >good. > > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't lose! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that we >can > >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of >proportion! > > > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the >possible > >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun > >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. > I > >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am sure >that > >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me >precisely > >which web page you are talking about." > > > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web >pages > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. Please > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We have >not > >received that information yet as of this time. > > > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this >matter, > >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! > As > >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get >in > >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive force > >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------
I also love listening to Barbara Streisand and watching her movies!! She makes me so happy!  Did you know Barbara is a big contributor to the Democratic Party!  She is special.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morgan
To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com
Cc: editor@liberator.net
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills
Lets sing we are teh world! >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >To: "Bill Morgan" <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com> >CC: <editor@liberator.net> >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley Temple >song?  I love Shirley Temple! >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Bill Morgan >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >   Cc: editor@liberator.net >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM >   Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >   I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing laughter >and >   song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New york >New >   York." > >   if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > >   >From: "Bill Bequette" <billbeq@mediaone.net> >   >To: <DWise1@aol.com> >   >CC: <billyjack1@hotmail.com>, <DWise1@aol.com>, <editor@liberator.net> >   >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >   >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 >   > >   >Well I think we are in agreement!  The only area we differ on is that >we >   >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill.  I >   >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, >religion >   >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a likeable >   >fellow.  Plus if we all met we could have some good eats????  Food is >good. >   >  Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!!  You can't lose! >   >   ----- Original Message ----- >   >   From: DWise1@aol.com >   >   To: billbeq@mediaone.net >   >   Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; editor@liberator.net >   >   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM >   >   Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >   > >   > >   >   >>I demand a recount!!! >   >   The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< >   > >   >   PRECISELY!!  We need to get all the information together so that we >can >   >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of >proportion! >   > >   >   But the ball is in Bill M's court now.  I have examined all the >possible >   >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill [pun >   >intended].  Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting to. >  I >   >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: >   > >   >   "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about.  I am sure >that >   >I had described it as you had described it to me.  Please tell me >precisely >   >which web page you are talking about." >   > >   >   And again on the same day around 1800: >   > >   >   "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web >pages >   >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license.  Please >   >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) the >   >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page each >one >   >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." >   > >   >   We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed.  We have >not >   >received that information yet as of this time. >   > >   >   Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this >matter, >   >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we need! >  As >   >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can get >in >   >order for him to do the right thing.  You must be that positive force >   >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! >   > >   >   Bill B, we are all counting on you.  Please don't let us down. >   > > >   >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >   Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:10:18 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:53 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust37.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.37]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07514; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d201c06619$7b805f40$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:01:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C065D6.6C9CDC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/14/2000 19:31:04 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill Bequette, you wrote: "Praise the Lord" Is your God's ego such that it needs praise? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Jesus Evidnce The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte year....thanks! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! >:) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Who said I was an atheist? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >well? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological >celebration. > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs >Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated >this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ >as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:31:04 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:30:34 1900 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBF3UKM60716; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:30:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <016401c06647$b103c7a0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: <00ae01c06619$1cca2800$2520113f@com> Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:32:44 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/14/2000 19:33:06 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Mark, pleae let Dave know he is on two weeks probation, I wont be opening his mail for two weeks because he got away from intellectual discourse and into emotional attacks." Even if this were true, the above statement seems petty and childish to me. Tell him yourself. "I welcome your questions like the one you posed on free will. How would you answer your own question?" Does this mean you have no response? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:45:31 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"Why can't we all just get along?" > >Why do you consider the free exchange of information to be a hostile >experience? > >...too much religion? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do research >and find out!" > >The politics of religion... > >"Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" > >I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. >You're getting slap-happy. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > >To: > >CC: , , > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > >mythological celebration.<< > > > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of >assimilating > >pre-existing religions as it spread. > > > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of the > >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for it >is > >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus declared >an > >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is what > >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), >which > >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that pre-Constininian > >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we are > >not certain why. > > > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, >Bill > >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The >Winter > >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar instituted > >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from the > >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months > >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 Dec? > >Wherever did they get "25" from? > > > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > > > > >*FOOTNOTE: > >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the number > >names of some of the months: > > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month > >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly the > >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all the > >days that were left over. > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:33:06 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:32:41 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBF3WbM60911; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:32:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <017301c06648$024db760$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:35:01 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: 12/14/2000 19:42:06 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then sin is a non-issue. "Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful free will." According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God already knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I would be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to Hell because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. So God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it defies a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is not worthy of your worship. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ @gigagod.com> >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:42:06 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:41:38 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBF3fYM61664; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:41:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <017801c06649$41fe3b40$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/14/2000 19:44:22 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte year....thanks!" Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >CC: >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our >sins' bring comfort to you? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our sins!! >:) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >Who said I was an atheist? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >well? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morgan >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan mythological >celebration. > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your >beliefs >Mark? > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears > > = ) > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of >Christ > >is so near!" > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at this > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated >this > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept Christ >as > >your savior!!!" > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Morgan" > >To: > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > >Licensed > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a hate > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did say > >is > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > >putting > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement to > >the > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? >False > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (rly-xa02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.71]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:44:22 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:43:52 1900 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBF3hmM61950; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <018501c06649$91f87980$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: 12/14/2000 19:53:11 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill B wrote: "Well I believe God allows us to make our own choices and one of those choices is choosing to accept or not accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior. Freewill is a topic debated by many Christians. I personally believe that we have freewill to choose sin or to turn away from it. What has your choice been?" Yet if God knows the future, it must be set. This means that there is no freewill as you may think. If God is all-knowing, then there is no freewill and sin is a non-issue. Now if God is not all-knowing, then there may be freewill. There's one contradiction in Christianity. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the >champion!!!" > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about >your level of education. > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows everything, >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell despite >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > >Any thoughts? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com >Cc: editor@liberator.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political >elections. > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:53:10 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:52:39 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBF3qYM62712; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:52:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <01c101c0664a$cbd4ae20$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <000801c06593$dfe50520$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:54:58 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/15/2000 06:56:50 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, spambuster@gigagod.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Bill Morgan, my anger stems directly from your persistent obstruction of the resolution process. I was very deeply insulted by your false accusations against me and I am even more deeply insulted by your refusal to allow us to resolve the matter. And frankly, I am also insulted by the way that you insist on giving Christians a bad name. You had indicated that you wanted to see this matter resolved. I have consistently been trying to get that to happen. Yet you have consistently been preventing that from happening. Why? Bill Morgan, do you want to see this matter resolved or do you not? Yes or no? If so, then please let us do it! If not, then please admit your duplicity. ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/15/2000 09:18:43 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:43 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:38 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (2Cust28.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.31.92]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27044 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:18:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011e01c066b9$a51566c0$2520113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:08:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/15/2000 09:18:50 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan, my anger stems directly from your persistent obstruction of the resolution process. I was very deeply insulted by your false accusations against me and I am even more deeply insulted by your refusal to allow us to resolve the matter. And frankly, I am also insulted by the way that you insist on giving Christians a bad name. You had indicated that you wanted to see this matter resolved. I have consistently been trying to get that to happen. Yet you have consistently been preventing that from happening. Why? Bill Morgan, do you want to see this matter resolved or do you not? Yes or no? If so, then please let us do it! If not, then please admit your duplicity. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:50 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:35 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (2Cust28.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.31.92]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27031 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5M6W900.LYE for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:57:45 -0800 Received: from chmls10.mediaone.net (chmls10.mediaone.net [24.147.1.147]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA24787 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by chmls10.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBFEvXR03729 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.f2.5a5a3c4 (15700); Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:56:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: ################################################ Subj: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/15/2000 21:23:57 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Bill, please dave he must honor my 14 day suspension. He sent me an e mail and i clearly stated I was suspending his e amils for 14 days due to their negativity. Mark, he whole heartedly disagrees with me, but he does it in a fun way. Lets stop the hate, Love, Bill >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:10 -0800 > >Praise the Lord > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:33 PM > Subject: Jesus Evidnce > > > The year is 2000 A. D. > > Thanks to Jesus! > > So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte >year....thanks! > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real >!!!" > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for >our > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! > >:) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >well? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > >celebration. > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > >beliefs > >Mark? > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears > > > = ) > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > >Christ > > >is so near!" > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated > >this > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ > >as > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > >To: > > >Cc: ; > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > > >Licensed > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >To: > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > > >is > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist >on > > >putting > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > > >the > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > >False > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:23:57 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f239.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.239]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:23:19 -0800 Received: from 64.12.103.157 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:23:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.157] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:23:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 05:23:19.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D09B4B0:01C06720] ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/15/2000 21:42:27 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net I heard she said she would leave america if Bush won. >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:01:58 -0800 > >I also love listening to Barbara Streisand and watching her movies!! She >makes me so happy! Did you know Barbara is a big contributor to the >Democratic Party! She is special. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > Lets sing we are teh world! > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > > > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley >Temple > >song? I love Shirley Temple! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing >laughter > >and > > song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New >york > >New > > York." > > > > if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > > > > > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is >that > >we > > >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. > I > > >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, > >religion > > >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a >likeable > > >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food >is > >good. > > > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't >lose! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; >editor@liberator.net > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > > > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > > > > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that >we > >can > > >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of > >proportion! > > > > > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the > >possible > > >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill >[pun > > >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting >to. > > I > > >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > > > > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am >sure > >that > > >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me > >precisely > > >which web page you are talking about." > > > > > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > > > > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web > >pages > > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. >Please > > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) >the > > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page >each > >one > > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > > > > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We >have > >not > > >received that information yet as of this time. > > > > > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this > >matter, > > >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we >need! > > As > > >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can >get > >in > > >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive >force > > >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > > > > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:42:27 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f30.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.30]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:41:58 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:41:58 -0800 Received: from 64.12.103.157 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:41:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.157] From: "Bill Morgan" To: billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Cc: editor@liberator.net Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:41:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 05:41:58.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7B98CE0:01C06722] ################################################ Subj: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: 12/16/2000 01:41:16 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Mark: that is not what I said. But lets keep things simple. The Bible tells us you have free will; For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. WHOSEVER...conditional. Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of God, his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience). Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to save his butt ox. It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God be God, and let you, his creation be his creation >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then >sin >is a non-issue. > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful >free will." > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God already >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I >would >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to Hell >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. So >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it defies >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is >not worthy of your worship. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >@gigagod.com> > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > >champion!!!" > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about > >your level of education. > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows >everything, > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell >despite > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > >elections. > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:41:16 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.141]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:40:48 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:40:48 -0800 Received: from 64.12.103.174 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:40:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.174] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:40:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 09:40:48.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[452F03C0:01C06744] ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/16/2000 01:45:02 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com The rapid growth and willingness to be put to death to those who saw the resurrected christ during persecution >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus >every time you state hte year....thanks!" > >Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does >this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! > >:) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >well? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > >celebration. > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > >beliefs > >Mark? > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears > > > = ) > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > >Christ > > >is so near!" > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated > >this > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ > >as > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > >To: > > >Cc: ; > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > > >Licensed > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >To: > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > > >is > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > > >putting > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement >to > > >the > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > >False > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > > > Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:45:02 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f98.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.98]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:44:35 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:44:33 -0800 Received: from 64.12.103.174 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:44:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.174] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:44:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 09:44:33.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB97BC90:01C06744] ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/16/2000 08:44:08 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "The rapid growth and willingness to be put to death to those who saw the resurrected christ during persecution" For a registered Mechanical Engineer you sound very naive. Did you know when a teen commits suicide, it isn't uncommon to have copycat suicides in the community? This blows a huge whole in your evidence. I hope you can do better. It sounds like you are placing a lot of weight on a mythical character using a shred of flimsy evidence. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus >every time you state hte year....thanks!" > >Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does >this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! > >:) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >well? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > >celebration. > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > >beliefs > >Mark? > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears > > > = ) > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > >Christ > > >is so near!" > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated > >this > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ > >as > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > >To: > > >Cc: ; > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > > >Licensed > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >To: > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > > >is > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > > >putting > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement >to > > >the > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > >False > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > > > Get more from the Web. 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Date: 12/16/2000 08:52:49 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "The Bible tells us you have free will..." The Bible also says that God is all-knowing. The contradiction is that these two things exist together. "Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of God, his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience)." Making you aware of Biblical/philosophical inconsistencies is not something I do for the sake of convenience. It's pleasurable I must admit but only because it further propels me toward the truth. "Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to save his butt ox." This seems to be a common axiom amoung Christians today. They, like you, believe that the brain cannot be used to learn about God. No wonder why so many intelligent people find themselves rejecting an archaic myth. If your argument is that God wants his sheep to be ignorant, than either your idea of God is wrong or God itself is wrong. It's that simple Bill. "It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God be God, and let you, his creation be his creation" I see Einstein's question cannot be answered by you. Freewill and an all-knowing God contradict each other. 'nuff said. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then >sin >is a non-issue. > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful >free will." > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God already >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I >would >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to Hell >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. So >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it defies >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is >not worthy of your worship. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >@gigagod.com> > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > >champion!!!" > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about > >your level of education. > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows >everything, > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell >despite > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > >elections. > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:52:49 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:52:26 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGGqHq82229; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:52:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <000e01c06780$e4455e00$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/16/2000 08:58:10 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Bill, please dave he must honor my 14 day suspension. He sent me an e mail and i clearly stated I was suspending his e amils for 14 days due to their negativity." Now that sounds childish. "Mark, he whole heartedly disagrees with me, but he does it in a fun way. Lets stop the hate," If you are truly your brother's keeper, Bill, you would stop playing games. You would also admit that you have no satisfactory answer to Eistein's question. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Bill Bequette" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >CC: >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:10 -0800 > >Praise the Lord > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morgan > To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > Cc: editor@liberator.net > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:33 PM > Subject: Jesus Evidnce > > > The year is 2000 A. D. > > Thanks to Jesus! > > So you dudes give glory to Jesus every time you state hte >year....thanks! > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > >, > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real >!!!" > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for >our > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our >sins!! > >:) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mark > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Bequette > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >well? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill Morgan > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > >tears = ) > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan >mythological > >celebration. > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > >beliefs > >Mark? > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears > > > = ) > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > >Christ > > >is so near!" > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at >this > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated > >this > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept >Christ > >as > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > >To: > > >Cc: ; > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > > >Licensed > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > >To: > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a >hate > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did >say > > >is > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist >on > > >putting > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement to > > >the > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > >False > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:58:10 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:57:45 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGGvYq82682; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:57:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <001c01c06781$a0e0c0e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:59:59 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/16/2000 09:05:24 Pacific Standard Time From: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Every time I pray God speaks with me and gives me faith to continue!!! All the proof I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce > The rapid growth and willingness to be put to death to those who saw the > resurrected christ during persecution > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus > >every time you state hte year....thanks!" > > > >Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does > >this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > > > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our > > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our > >sins!! > > >:) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >well? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > >mythological > > >celebration. > > > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > > >beliefs > > >Mark? > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears > > > > = ) > > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > > >Christ > > > >is so near!" > > > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at > >this > > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated > > >this > > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept > >Christ > > >as > > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > > >To: > > > >Cc: ; > > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > > > >Licensed > > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a > >hate > > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did > >say > > > >is > > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > > > >putting > > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement > >to > > > >the > > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > > >False > > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >_ > > > >_________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:05:24 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:05:04 -0500 Received: from bb (we-24-130-112-49.we.mediaone.net [24.130.112.49]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08172; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:05:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701c06782$994020a0$31708218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:06:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ################################################ Subj: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: 12/16/2000 09:08:56 Pacific Standard Time From: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Why is it you atheists are so nasty? Jesus loves you! And I do also! So don't be so defensive. Otherwise Janet Reno will have to spank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > Mark: that is not what I said. But lets keep things simple. > > The Bible tells us you have free will; > > For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER > believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. > > WHOSEVER...conditional. > > Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of God, > his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe > in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience). > > Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections > based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to > save his butt ox. > > It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God > be God, and let you, his creation be his creation > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then > >sin > >is a non-issue. > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful > >free will." > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God already > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > >would > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to Hell > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. So > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it defies > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is > >not worthy of your worship. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >@gigagod.com> > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > > >champion!!!" > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about > > >your level of education. > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > >everything, > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > >despite > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > >elections. > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (rly-zb03.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.3]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:08:56 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:08:39 -0500 Received: from bb (we-24-130-112-49.we.mediaone.net [24.130.112.49]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09613; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c06783$17af1220$31708218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:10:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/16/2000 09:10:49 Pacific Standard Time From: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: editor@liberator.net Why would she leave? I am confused. Barbara as part of the DNC wants to get along with everybody. Why would she not want to get along with Bush? What did he ever do to her? Ohhhhhh this is so unfair!!!! She will still sing won't she? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > I heard she said she would leave america if Bush won. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:01:58 -0800 > > > >I also love listening to Barbara Streisand and watching her movies!! She > >makes me so happy! Did you know Barbara is a big contributor to the > >Democratic Party! She is special. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > Lets sing we are teh world! > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > > > > > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley > >Temple > > >song? I love Shirley Temple! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing > >laughter > > >and > > > song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New > >york > > >New > > > York." > > > > > > if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > > > > > > > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is > >that > > >we > > > >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. > > I > > > >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, > > >religion > > > >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a > >likeable > > > >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food > >is > > >good. > > > > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't > >lose! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; > >editor@liberator.net > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > > > > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > > > > > > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that > >we > > >can > > > >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of > > >proportion! > > > > > > > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the > > >possible > > > >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill > >[pun > > > >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting > >to. > > > I > > > >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > > > > > > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am > >sure > > >that > > > >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me > > >precisely > > > >which web page you are talking about." > > > > > > > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > > > > > > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web > > >pages > > > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. > >Please > > > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) > >the > > > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page > >each > > >one > > > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > > > > > > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We > >have > > >not > > > >received that information yet as of this time. > > > > > > > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this > > >matter, > > > >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we > >need! > > > As > > > >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can > >get > > >in > > > >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive > >force > > > >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > > > > > > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:10:48 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:10:15 -0500 Received: from bb (we-24-130-112-49.we.mediaone.net [24.130.112.49]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10280; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:10:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301c06783$52405b60$31708218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:12:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ################################################ Subj: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: 12/16/2000 09:29:48 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "Why would [Barbara Streisand] leave [the country because Bush won the election]? I am confused. Barbara as part of the DNC wants to get along with everybody. Why would she not want to get along with Bush? What did he ever do to her? Ohhhhhh this is so unfair!!!! She will still sing won't she?" Barbara Streisand and her 'ideas' are non-issues. Entertainers cannot formulate a decent thought unless lines are handed to them. Didn't you know that? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > I heard she said she would leave america if Bush won. > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:01:58 -0800 > > > >I also love listening to Barbara Streisand and watching her movies!! She > >makes me so happy! Did you know Barbara is a big contributor to the > >Democratic Party! She is special. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morgan > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > Lets sing we are teh world! > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:23:22 -0800 > > > > > >Can we also sing "Rain drops keep falling on my head"? or a Shirley > >Temple > > >song? I love Shirley Temple! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morgan > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > I think by the end of dinner the four of us will all be sharing > >laughter > > >and > > > song as we link arms and chorus line high to Frank Sinatara's "New > >york > > >New > > > York." > > > > > > if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bill Bequette" > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:46:27 -0800 > > > > > > > >Well I think we are in agreement! The only area we differ on is > >that > > >we > > > >should all meet to finally conclude this mess between you and Bill. > > I > > > >promise even if you and Bill are light years apart on politics, > > >religion > > > >and probably everything else that you will find him to be a > >likeable > > > >fellow. Plus if we all met we could have some good eats???? Food > >is > > >good. > > > > Even if the whole event flames out we can eat!!!! You can't > >lose! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > To: billbeq@mediaone.net > > > > Cc: billyjack1@hotmail.com ; DWise1@aol.com ; > >editor@liberator.net > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:18 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I demand a recount!!! > > > > The chads are hanging and the paper ballots are dimpled.<< > > > > > > > > PRECISELY!! We need to get all the information together so that > >we > > >can > > > >resolve this incident before Bill M allows it to grow out of > > >proportion! > > > > > > > > But the ball is in Bill M's court now. I have examined all the > > >possible > > > >statements in my web pages and I cannot find any that fit the bill > >[pun > > > >intended]. Plus, I do not know what it is that Bill M is objecting > >to. > > > I > > > >have already requested from Bill M yesterday around noon: > > > > > > > > "Bill M, I still don't know what you are talking about. I am > >sure > > >that > > > >I had described it as you had described it to me. Please tell me > > >precisely > > > >which web page you are talking about." > > > > > > > > And again on the same day around 1800: > > > > > > > > "Regardless, you need to tell me EXACTLY which one(s) of my web > > >pages > > > >contain(s) the offending statements concerning your PE license. > >Please > > > >copy and paste (you know how to do that now, Bill M, so no excuse!) > >the > > > >offending statement(s) to your email, identifying which web page > >each > > >one > > > >came from, and tell me what the problem is with it/them." > > > > > > > > We need that information from Bill M to be able to proceed. We > >have > > >not > > > >received that information yet as of this time. > > > > > > > > Bill B, since you are fully behind the effort to resolve this > > >matter, > > > >you must encourage Bill Morgan to provide the information that we > >need! > > > As > > > >we have seen in the past, Bill M needs all the encouragement he can > >get > > >in > > > >order for him to do the right thing. You must be that positive > >force > > > >helping us arrive at a satisfactory resolution! > > > > > > > > Bill B, we are all counting on you. Please don't let us down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:29:47 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:29:19 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGHTBq85336; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:29:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <003f01c06786$0b8de0e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <001301c06783$52405b60$31708218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:31:35 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! ... that X-tians can't answer... Date: 12/16/2000 09:36:42 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "Why is it you atheists are so nasty?" Why is it that modern-day Christians view thinkers as being nasty? If you believe that your God gave us a brain so that we shouldn't use it, either your view of God is very flawed or God is a sadist. What other choice could there be? "Jesus loves you!" If I told you 'Captain Crunch' loves you, would it mean anthing to you? When you write 'Jesus loves you', it means absolutely nothing to me. Fictional, supernatural characters -- however entertaining -- cannot invoke powers of love. "And I do also!" [Mark blushes...] "So don't be so defensive. Otherwise Janet Reno will have to spank you!" Funny, I bring to your attention that you cannot answer Einstein's question and you go on about Barbera Steisand and Janet Reno spanking me. Who's deflecting the conversation in a defensive manner? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > Mark: that is not what I said. But lets keep things simple. > > The Bible tells us you have free will; > > For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER > believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. > > WHOSEVER...conditional. > > Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of God, > his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe > in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience). > > Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections > based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to > save his butt ox. > > It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God > be God, and let you, his creation be his creation > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he predetermined > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not sayabsolute > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you will > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots and > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then > >sin > >is a non-issue. > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your wonderful > >free will." > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God already > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > >would > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to Hell > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. So > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it defies > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is > >not worthy of your worship. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >@gigagod.com> > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and follows > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > > >champion!!!" > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot about > > >your level of education. > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > >everything, > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then our > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such a > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > >despite > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > >elections. > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (rly-xd05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.170]) by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:36:41 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:36:25 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGHaFq85892; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:36:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <004401c06787$08c8d800$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <000d01c06783$17af1220$31708218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! ... that X-tians can't answer... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:38:41 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus "Evidence" [Ever hear of the KISS method?] Date: 12/16/2000 09:41:41 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "Every time I pray God speaks with me and gives me faith to continue!!!" Have you ever heard of Ocam's Razor? [http://www.oz.net/~jhawk/kiss.htm] Did you ever consider that instead of a personal deity answering your every question, it's actually your inner-voice thinking for you? You can create a personal deity if it comforts you. "All the proof I need." Well, some people are not so easily convinced by flimsy 'evidence'. There I go, using my brain again. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce > The rapid growth and willingness to be put to death to those who saw the > resurrected christ during persecution > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to Jesus > >every time you state hte year....thanks!" > > > >Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does > >this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real !!!" > > > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for our > > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our > >sins!! > > >:) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >well? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > >mythological > > >celebration. > > > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > > >beliefs > > >Mark? > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears > > > > = ) > > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > > >Christ > > > >is so near!" > > > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at > >this > > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily celebrated > > >this > > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept > >Christ > > >as > > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > > >To: > > > >Cc: ; > > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a registered > > > >Licensed > > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a > >hate > > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did > >say > > > >is > > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist on > > > >putting > > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" statement > >to > > > >the > > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > > >False > > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >_ > > > >_________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (rly-xb03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.104]) by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:41:41 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:41:27 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGHfCq86375; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:41:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <004901c06787$b95e8840$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <000701c06782$994020a0$31708218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Jesus "Evidence" [Ever hear of the KISS method?] Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:43:37 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/16/2000 10:10:26 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: spambuster@gigagod.com Bill Morgan, only you can stop the hate by ceasing to block our attempts to resolve the problems created by your false and slanderous accusations against me. Your arbitrary imposition of a "probation" is ludicrous and highly insulting. YOU are the guilty one here. If anybody should have a probation imposed on him, it should be you! Let us resolve this! Log this as the FORTY-SEVENTH time. ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/16/2000 12:35:23 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net , you wrote: <> I agree with you Dave. Bill M. isn't interested in having a civil conversation about anything. He is trying his best to instigate hate using passive agressive techniques. I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:35:23 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:35:09 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBGKZ7s01296; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:35:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <006301c067a0$053a29a0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: References: <7b.dac8f0e.276d0a12@aol.com> Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/16/2000 14:44:35 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: spambuster@gigagod.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1 >>I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters.<< Oh, you bet'cha! I want to have lots of facts on hand when I update my "Bill Morgan" pages with what he's been doing. Well, you certainly cannot say that I haven't given him a chance or opportunity to do the right thing, or at least to try to justify his outrageous actions. I have given him much more than anyone else would have. That he consistently refuses to do the right thing only condemns him that much more. On a much lighter note, I finally tracked down something that I've been looking for for the past 30 years. In high school German, we read some booklets that described the four operas of Wagner's "Ring der Nibelungen" cycle (did I say "lighter note"? Sorry, my error [grin]). After we had learned the story, she played a record of a British comedienne giving a "music appreciation lecture" on the Ring Cycle. I have been trying to find it since a few years later, but I could not remember the comedienne's name. Today on KUSC the commentatory of today's opera broadcast mentioned her name in passing. Anna Russell. She's listed on Amazon.com. No, I'm not an opera buff, though some of the music is great and I do enjoy "Die Fledermaus". And I did make the mistake one day of listening to the end of Wagner's "Die Götterdämmerung" while driving to Spanish class; I kept thinking in German that night! ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/16/2000 14:47:44 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (rly-xa01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.70]) by air-xa03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:47:44 1900 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:47:33 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10731 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:47:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000001c067b2$95e92ca0$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:48:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 ################################################ Subj: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/18/2000 23:12:14 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Here is what might be your problem Mark. You say God is all knowing, I agree. To you , all knowing means all meddling, that God caused Clinton to cheat on his wife. Your definitions lead you to irrational conclusions. Ok, lets learn something from you, I have taught you so much it is your turn. I recall you said you beleive in God, tell me about God. Tanks PS Please tell Dave he is violating the unilateral terms of his suspension, I saw some mail of his in my in box. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The Bible tells us you have free will..." > >The Bible also says that God is all-knowing. The contradiction is that >these two things exist together. > >"Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of >God, >his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe >in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience)." > >Making you aware of Biblical/philosophical inconsistencies is not something >I do for the sake of convenience. It's pleasurable I must admit but only >because it further propels me toward the truth. > >"Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle >range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections >based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to >save his butt ox." > >This seems to be a common axiom amoung Christians today. They, like you, >believe that the brain cannot be used to learn about God. No wonder why so >many intelligent people find themselves rejecting an archaic myth. If your >argument is that God wants his sheep to be ignorant, than either your idea >of God is wrong or God itself is wrong. It's that simple Bill. > >"It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God >be God, and let you, his creation be his creation" > >I see Einstein's question cannot be answered by you. Freewill and an >all-knowing God contradict each other. 'nuff said. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he >predetermined > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not >sayabsolute > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you >will > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots >and > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then > >sin > >is a non-issue. > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your >wonderful > >free will." > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God >already > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > >would > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to >Hell > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. >So > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it >defies > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is > >not worthy of your worship. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >@gigagod.com> > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and >follows > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > > >champion!!!" > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot >about > > >your level of education. > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > >everything, > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then >our > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such >a > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > >despite > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > >elections. > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:12:14 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.85]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:11:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:11:43 -0800 Received: from 64.12.104.158 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:11:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.158] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:11:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2000 07:11:43.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0DD9270:01C0698A] ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/18/2000 23:16:39 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com At last your side acknowledges my engineering achievements! Now, these dudes back in Jesus' time did not commit suicide! The bad guys killed them! Suicide is when you kill yourself, murder is when someone else kills someone. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:45:49 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The rapid growth and willingness to be put to death to those who saw the >resurrected christ during persecution" > >For a registered Mechanical Engineer you sound very naive. Did you know >when a teen commits suicide, it isn't uncommon to have copycat suicides in >the community? This blows a huge whole in your evidence. I hope you can >do >better. > >It sounds like you are placing a lot of weight on a mythical character >using >a shred of flimsy evidence. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:46:11 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"The year is 2000 A. D. Thanks to Jesus! So you dudes give glory to >Jesus > >every time you state hte year....thanks!" > > > >Is this the only evidence you have which says that Jesus was real? Does > >this also mean that the Bible is factual as well? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:27 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"He can't as you descibe him = ). But Jesus can because he is real >!!!" > > > > > >If you make a claim like that, you should be prepared to defend it. > > > > > >Wild claims run rampant in Christianity, as they do in all myths. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:02 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >How can a mythological character from Jewish Mythology who 'died for >our > > >sins' bring comfort to you? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Mark ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Success!!! Bill... Mark believes in God and that Jesus died for our > >sins!! > > >:) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Bequette ; Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Who said I was an atheist? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Bequette > > >To: Bill Morgan ; spambuster@gigagod.com ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:10 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >well? > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill Morgan > > >To: spambuster@gigagod.com ; BillBeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:07 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > >mythological > > >celebration. > > > > > >A true atheist, would go to work on Christmas. Are you true to your > > >beliefs > > >Mark? > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > > >tears > > > > = ) > > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:29 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"To all on this day very near when the baby Jesus i.e. the birth of > > >Christ > > > >is so near!" > > > > > > > >There is evidence to suggest that the birth of Christ was placed at > >this > > > >time to steal followers away from Paganism. Pagans heavily >celebrated > > >this > > > >time of year and the Christians wanted in on it. > > > > > > > >"Let us hold hands and love each other as Jesus loves us!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures cannot love. Only people can love one another. > > > > > > > >"I embrace you as a brother and hope you also someday will accept > >Christ > > >as > > > >your savior!!!" > > > > > > > >Mythical figures can inspire us but let's not take it too far. > > > > > > > >"GOD IS AWESOME!!!!" > > > > > > > >Personally, I see more value with Greek Mythology than I do Jewish > > > >Mythology. So I prefer you use the word Gods -- plural. > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bill Morgan" > > > >To: > > > >Cc: ; > > > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:08 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh gosh no! Whatever you do PLEASE don't add it to the list! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, did you retract your claim about my being a >registered > > > >Licensed > > > > > Professional Mechanical Engineer in the State of California? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > > > >To: > > > > > >CC: , , > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift Idea for the Two Bills > > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:04:52 EST > > > > > > > > > > > > >>By calling Bill B a Christian jerk I hereby charge you with a > >hate > > > > > >crime. << > > > > > > > > > > > >Excuse me, Bill Morgan. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > >"So, because of his "Christian Jerk" act Bill B has ... " > > > > > > > > > > > >Did I call Bill B a "Christian Jerk"? No, I did not! What I did > >say > > > >is > > > > > >that he is putting on a "'Christian Jerk' act". Like you insist >on > > > >putting > > > > > >on your "idiot act". > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall I add your "I hereby charge you with a hate crime" >statement > >to > > > >the > > > > > >growing list of FALSE accusations that you have made against me? > > >False > > > > > >accusations based only on your imagination and not on reality? > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill M, when are you ever going to learn to listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >_ > > > >_________ > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (rly-ye05.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.202]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:16:39 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f189.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.189]) by rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:16:21 1900 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:15:49 -0800 Received: from 64.12.104.158 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:15:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.158] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:15:49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2000 07:15:49.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[83C23F50:01C0698B] ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 07:28:53 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net The suspension was imposed to try to temper the hate, the anger and get us all together to Denny's. The imposition of the suspension was not taken lightly, but was necessary. Violation of the terms of the suspension may extend the suspension. In fairness and truth, Bill >From: "Mark" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0600 > >, you wrote: > ><to resolve the problems created by your false and slanderous accusations >against me. Your arbitrary imposition of a "probation" is ludicrous and >highly insulting. YOU are the guilty one here. If anybody should have a >probation imposed on him, it should be you! Let us resolve this! Log this >as the FORTY-SEVENTH time.>> > >I agree with you Dave. Bill M. isn't interested in having a civil >conversation about anything. He is trying his best to instigate hate using >passive agressive techniques. > >I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:28:53 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f212.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.212]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:28:31 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:21:45 -0800 Received: from 64.12.104.158 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:21:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.158] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:21:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2000 07:21:45.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[57EF6AA0:01C0698C] ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/19/2000 08:12:37 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, spambuster@gigagod.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Bill M, I do not recognize your authority in this matter. Your arbitrary imposition of a "suspension" is as criminal as your slanderous accusations and your obstruction of the resolution process. You're the bad guy, Bill M. The bad guy is powerless to absolve himself. Allow us to resolve this matter! Log this as the FORTY-EIGHTH TIME I have had to request that! ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 08:24:37 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, billbeq@mediaone.net CC: spambuster@gigagod.com Bill Morgan, why do you continue to insist on acting like an idiot? Denny's or any other personal meeting is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE AND OUT OF THE QUESTION UNTIL WE RESOLVE THIS MATTER! AND UNTIL YOU STOP PLAYING YOUR IDIOTIC DIVERSIONARY GAMES, like this so-called "suspension". All you are doing with it is demonstrating your determination to prevent the resolution of the mess that YOU created with your slanderous accusations. Bill M, you have taught me well that you cannot be trusted. Until such a time as you have shown me that you can be trusted, any kind of a verbal exchange is impossible. I have already explained all that to you, but as usual you have refused to listen. What part do you not understand? "fairness"? What do you know about fairness? You have already shown your stripes. Your a jock whose only goal is to win, no matter what it takes. "truth"? You have shown us that you hate and fear the truth. You have been running scared from the truth for the past five months! Bill Morgan, stop running and face the truth. Let us get this entire matter resolved. This is the FORTY-NINTH TIME I have had to request this. If you really were speaking "in fairness and truth", then the count never would have gotten this far. Indeed, there never would have been a need to maintain a count. ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 09:30:09 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan, why do you continue to insist on acting like an idiot? Denny's or any other personal meeting is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE AND OUT OF THE QUESTION UNTIL WE RESOLVE THIS MATTER! AND UNTIL YOU STOP PLAYING YOUR IDIOTIC DIVERSIONARY GAMES, like this so-called "suspension". All you are doing with it is demonstrating your determination to prevent the resolution of the mess that YOU created with your slanderous accusations. Bill M, you have taught me well that you cannot be trusted. Until such a time as you have shown me that you can be trusted, any kind of a verbal exchange is impossible. I have already explained all that to you, but as usual you have refused to listen. What part do you not understand? "fairness"? What do you know about fairness? You have already shown your stripes. Your a jock whose only goal is to win, no matter what it takes. "truth"? You have shown us that you hate and fear the truth. You have been running scared from the truth for the past five months! Bill Morgan, stop running and face the truth. Let us get this entire matter resolved. This is the FORTY-NINTH TIME I have had to request this. If you really were speaking "in fairness and truth", then the count never would have gotten this far. Indeed, there never would have been a need to maintain a count. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (rly-xd04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.169]) by air-xd02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:30:09 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-xd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:29:59 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust141.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.141]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08019 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01 [24.130.1.20]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5TPLZ00.RM8 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:25:11 -0800 Received: from ndmls01.mediaone.net (ndmls01.mediaone.net [24.128.8.198]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18037 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by ndmls01.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBJGP1Q21486 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id i.56.4c9d724 (15891); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:24:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:43 -0800 Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <56.4c9d724.2770e5c5@aol.com> ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/19/2000 09:30:10 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:30:10 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:29:59 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust141.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.141]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08006 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:29:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005101c069e0$e1089240$8d20113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/19/2000 09:30:24 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com Bill M, I do not recognize your authority in this matter. Your arbitrary imposition of a "suspension" is as criminal as your slanderous accusations and your obstruction of the resolution process. You're the bad guy, Bill M. The bad guy is powerless to absolve himself. Allow us to resolve this matter! Log this as the FORTY-EIGHTH TIME I have had to request that! ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:30:23 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:29:57 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust141.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.141]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07987 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Bill Bequette" To: Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.15]) by lsmls03.we.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5TP2O00.HJW for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:13:36 -0800 Received: from ndmls01.mediaone.net (ndmls01.mediaone.net [24.128.8.198]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20744 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by ndmls01.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBJGDQQ06521 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from DWise1@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.f3.5ca4623 (15867); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:12:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 09:30:27 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: DWise1@aol.com "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:30:27 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:30:02 -0500 Received: from gunsgalore (1Cust141.tnt1.huntington-beach2.ca.da.uu.net [63.17.32.141]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08042 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005401c069e0$e2a30860$8d20113f@com> From: "Bill Bequette" To: Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:26:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 14:26:22 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: "The suspension was imposed to try to temper the hate, the anger and get us all together to Denny's. The imposition of the suspension was not taken lightly, but was necessary. Violation of the terms of the suspension may extend the suspension." Bill, you are a thorn in the side of truth...nothing more than an obstacle. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0600 > >, you wrote: > ><to resolve the problems created by your false and slanderous accusations >against me. Your arbitrary imposition of a "probation" is ludicrous and >highly insulting. YOU are the guilty one here. If anybody should have a >probation imposed on him, it should be you! Let us resolve this! Log this >as the FORTY-SEVENTH time.>> > >I agree with you Dave. Bill M. isn't interested in having a civil >conversation about anything. He is trying his best to instigate hate using >passive agressive techniques. > >I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:26:22 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:25:58 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBJMPjm85135; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:25:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00af01c06a0a$fb7d8b60$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:28:10 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: 12/19/2000 14:33:01 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Again, all-knowing does not mean all-meddling." You fail to see the paradox, Bill. If God is all-knowing, then he knows the future of the Universe. He knows exactly what is going to happen -- all the particulars. Now this must also mean that or future is set and choice is an illusion, making sin a non-issue. Are you refusing to get it? I hate to imagine the other reason why this escapes you... = ) Mark E-Mail: news@liberator.net Better Business: http://liberator.net/special/betterbusiness.html CompuServe Report: http://liberator.net/articles/LiberatorMark/CompuServe.html Stop the insanity, drop CompuServe and go with a local ISP. Visit CNET: http://webisplist.internetlist.com/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to >tears = ) >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:57:38 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"I answered your free will/predestination question" > >You did answer it but you never solved it. An all-knowing God and freewill >cannot exist together. > >Therefore either God is not all-knowing and God's views are flawed or he is >all-knowing, which means that freewill does not exist and 'sin' is >impossible. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to > >tears = ) > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:35:01 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Mark, pleae let Dave know he is on two weeks probation, I wont be >opening > >his mail for two weeks because he got away from intellectual discourse >and > >into emotional attacks." > > > >Even if this were true, the above statement seems petty and childish to >me. > >Tell him yourself. > > > >"I welcome your questions like the one you posed on free will. How would > >you answer your own question?" > > > >Does this mean you have no response? > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:45:31 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"Why can't we all just get along?" > > > > > >Why do you consider the free exchange of information to be a hostile > > >experience? > > > > > >...too much religion? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Morgan ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net ; editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:18 PM > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me >to > > >tears = ) > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"I have a guess that it wiped out a pagan holiday, but I will do >research > > >and find out!" > > > > > >The politics of religion... > > > > > >"Dave we are such good buddies deep down, lets stay that way! :)" > > > > > >I think you have been chewing on too much Eucharist -- body of Christ. > > >You're getting slap-happy. > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: DWise1@aol.com > > > >To: > > > >CC: , , > > > >Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me > >to > > > >tears = ) > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:23:38 EST > > > > > > > > >>I agree with Mark that dec 25th was picked to wipe out a pagan > > > >mythological celebration.<< > > > > > > > >Not quite, though certainly Christianity has a long history of > > >assimilating > > > >pre-existing religions as it spread. > > > > > > > >Now, it is true that the Winter Solstice was a very important time of > >the > > > >year for pagans who worshipped the various forms of the Sun God, for >it > > >is > > > >the date of the rebirth of the Sun. In 273, Emperor Aurelianus > >declared > > >an > > > >official Roman holiday, Sol Invictus (invincible sun, since that is > >what > > > >the Winter Solstice is about, the victory of the Sun over Darkness), > > >which > > > >took place at the Winter Solstice. It is also true that > >pre-Constininian > > > >Christians chose this same time for their own celebrations, though we > >are > > > >not certain why. > > > > > > > >But therein lies the history question, which I had put to you before, > > >Bill > > > >M (just as a trivia question with no theological significance). The > > >Winter > > > >Solstice is on 21 December, just as it was when Julius Caesar > >instituted > > > >Rome's solar calendar around 48 BCE. We inherited that calendar from > >the > > > >Romans and still use it, though we now start the year a couple months > > > >earlier (*see footnote). So why is Christmas on 25 Dec and not 21 >Dec? > > > >Wherever did they get "25" from? > > > > > > > >Well, Bill M? You're such a history buff. Do you know the answer? > > > > > > > > > > > >*FOOTNOTE: > > > >March used to be the first month of the year, which explains the >number > > > >names of some of the months: > > > > September from septus, "seven" our ninth month > > > > October from octus, "eight" our tenth month > > > > November from novem, "nine" our eleventh month > > > > December from decus, "ten" our tenth month > > > >It also helps to explain why February, our second month and formerly > >the > > > >last month, has an irregular number of days, since it simply got all > >the > > > >days that were left over. > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:33:01 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:03 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBJMVlm86782; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:31:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00ce01c06a0b$d14ddf60$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Gods -- plural -- are awesome. Jewish Mythology bores me to tears = ) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:34:14 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/19/2000 14:36:38 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "You say God is all knowing, I agree." I never said God even exists. What I said was IF God exists AND he is all-knowing, then ... I am taking a logical journey based on that axiom. "To you , all knowing means all meddling, that God caused Clinton to cheat on his wife." That's not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that IF God is all-knowing then our futures are set and we actually have no choices to make; therefore, sin is an illusion. "Your definitions lead you to irrational conclusions." You have not exposed any irrational conclusions based upon what I have said. "I recall you said you beleive in God, tell me about God." I said that? "PS Please tell Dave he is violating the unilateral terms of his suspension, I saw some mail of his in my in box." I am not a party to your childish games. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The Bible tells us you have free will..." > >The Bible also says that God is all-knowing. The contradiction is that >these two things exist together. > >"Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of >God, >his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and believe >in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience)." > >Making you aware of Biblical/philosophical inconsistencies is not something >I do for the sake of convenience. It's pleasurable I must admit but only >because it further propels me toward the truth. > >"Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle >range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up objections >based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot to >save his butt ox." > >This seems to be a common axiom amoung Christians today. They, like you, >believe that the brain cannot be used to learn about God. No wonder why so >many intelligent people find themselves rejecting an archaic myth. If your >argument is that God wants his sheep to be ignorant, than either your idea >of God is wrong or God itself is wrong. It's that simple Bill. > >"It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let God >be God, and let you, his creation be his creation" > >I see Einstein's question cannot be answered by you. Freewill and an >all-knowing God contradict each other. 'nuff said. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he >predetermined > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not >sayabsolute > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you >will > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots >and > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). You > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and therefore, > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, then > >sin > >is a non-issue. > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your >wonderful > >free will." > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God >already > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > >would > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to >Hell > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. >So > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it >defies > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he is > >not worthy of your worship. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >@gigagod.com> > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > >, > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and >follows > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is the > > >champion!!!" > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot >about > > >your level of education. > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > >everything, > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then >our > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be such >a > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if our > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > >despite > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mark > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > >elections. > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > >= ) > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > >_________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (rly-xa02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.71]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:36:38 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:36:05 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBJMZlm87779; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:35:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00cf01c06a0c$60566380$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:38:14 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Einstein vs the 2 Bills Date: 12/19/2000 22:54:43 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, BillBeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com What was Al's question? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! ... that X-tians can't >answer... >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:38:41 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"Why is it you atheists are so nasty?" > >Why is it that modern-day Christians view thinkers as being nasty? If you >believe that your God gave us a brain so that we shouldn't use it, either >your view of God is very flawed or God is a sadist. What other choice >could >there be? > >"Jesus loves you!" > >If I told you 'Captain Crunch' loves you, would it mean anthing to you? >When you write 'Jesus loves you', it means absolutely nothing to me. >Fictional, supernatural characters -- however entertaining -- cannot invoke >powers of love. > >"And I do also!" > >[Mark blushes...] > >"So don't be so defensive. Otherwise Janet Reno will have to spank you!" > >Funny, I bring to your attention that you cannot answer Einstein's question >and you go on about Barbera Steisand and Janet Reno spanking me. Who's >deflecting the conversation in a defensive manner? > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: ; ; >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:40 AM >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > > > Mark: that is not what I said. But lets keep things simple. > > > > The Bible tells us you have free will; > > > > For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son that >WHOSOEVER > > believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. > > > > WHOSEVER...conditional. > > > > Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of >God, > > his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and >believe > > in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience). > > > > Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > > range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up >objections > > based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot >to > > save his butt ox. > > > > It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let >God > > be God, and let you, his creation be his creation > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he >predetermined > > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not >sayabsolute > > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you >will > > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots >and > > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). >You > > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and >therefore, > > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, >then > > >sin > > >is a non-issue. > > > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your >wonderful > > >free will." > > > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God >already > > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > > >would > > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to >Hell > > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. >So > > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it >defies > > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he >is > > >not worthy of your worship. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >@gigagod.com> > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and >follows > > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is >the > > > >champion!!!" > > > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot >about > > > >your level of education. > > > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > > >everything, > > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then >our > > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be >such >a > > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if >our > > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > > >despite > > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Mark > > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > > >elections. > > > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:54:43 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f264.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.41]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:54:12 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:54:12 -0800 Received: from 152.163.201.209 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:54:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.209] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, BillBeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Einstein vs the 2 Bills Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:54:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2000 06:54:12.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8C45BF0:01C06A51] ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 23:09:26 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net What is Truth? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:28:10 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The suspension was imposed to try to temper the hate, the anger and get us >all together to Denny's. The imposition of the suspension was not taken >lightly, but was necessary. Violation of the terms of the suspension may >extend the suspension." > >Bill, you are a thorn in the side of truth...nothing more than an obstacle. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0600 > > > >, you wrote: > > > ><attempts > >to resolve the problems created by your false and slanderous accusations > >against me. Your arbitrary imposition of a "probation" is ludicrous and > >highly insulting. YOU are the guilty one here. If anybody should have a > >probation imposed on him, it should be you! Let us resolve this! Log >this > >as the FORTY-SEVENTH time.>> > > > >I agree with you Dave. Bill M. isn't interested in having a civil > >conversation about anything. He is trying his best to instigate hate >using > >passive agressive techniques. > > > >I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:09:26 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.47]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:08:57 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:08:54 -0800 Received: from 152.163.201.209 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:08:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.209] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:08:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2000 07:08:54.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[B66A6630:01C06A53] ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/19/2000 23:30:17 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Good point Mark. My problem is not that I fail to see the alleged paradox, I do see it, it is a great question. Is possible for you to see that I do see the alleged paradox, but also believe there is an explanation? Let us look at your e amil: You fail to see the paradox, Bill. If God is all-knowing, then he knows the >future of the Universe. <<>> He knows exactly what is going to happen -- all theparticulars. <<>> Now this must also mean that or future is set and choice is an illusion, making sin a non-issue. << >Are you refusing to get it? I hate to imagine the other reason why this >escapes you... O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , >CC: >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:28:10 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"The suspension was imposed to try to temper the hate, the anger and get us >all together to Denny's. The imposition of the suspension was not taken >lightly, but was necessary. Violation of the terms of the suspension may >extend the suspension." > >Bill, you are a thorn in the side of truth...nothing more than an obstacle. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:24:03 -0600 > > > >, you wrote: > > > ><attempts > >to resolve the problems created by your false and slanderous accusations > >against me. Your arbitrary imposition of a "probation" is ludicrous and > >highly insulting. YOU are the guilty one here. If anybody should have a > >probation imposed on him, it should be you! Let us resolve this! Log >this > >as the FORTY-SEVENTH time.>> > > > >I agree with you Dave. Bill M. isn't interested in having a civil > >conversation about anything. He is trying his best to instigate hate >using > >passive agressive techniques. > > > >I'm glad you are keeping a log of these letters. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:30:16 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f172.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.172]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:29:50 1900 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:29:49 -0800 Received: from 152.163.201.209 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:29:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.209] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com Cc: billbeq@mediaone.net Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:29:49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2000 07:29:49.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2ADBA40:01C06A56] ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/19/2000 23:32:18 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com I thought you denied being an atheist. And again, Dave is violating the terms of the suspension by sending me e mail. >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:38:14 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"You say God is all knowing, I agree." > >I never said God even exists. What I said was IF God exists AND he is >all-knowing, then ... I am taking a logical journey based on that axiom. > >"To you , all knowing means all meddling, that God caused Clinton to cheat >on his wife." > >That's not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that IF God is >all-knowing then our futures are set and we actually have no choices to >make; therefore, sin is an illusion. > >"Your definitions lead you to irrational conclusions." > >You have not exposed any irrational conclusions based upon what I have >said. > >"I recall you said you beleive in God, tell me about God." > >I said that? > >"PS Please tell Dave he is violating the unilateral terms of his >suspension, I saw some mail of his in my in box." > >I am not a party to your childish games. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"The Bible tells us you have free will..." > > > >The Bible also says that God is all-knowing. The contradiction is that > >these two things exist together. > > > >"Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of > >God, > >his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and >believe > >in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience)." > > > >Making you aware of Biblical/philosophical inconsistencies is not >something > >I do for the sake of convenience. It's pleasurable I must admit but only > >because it further propels me toward the truth. > > > >"Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > >range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up >objections > >based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot >to > >save his butt ox." > > > >This seems to be a common axiom amoung Christians today. They, like you, > >believe that the brain cannot be used to learn about God. No wonder why >so > >many intelligent people find themselves rejecting an archaic myth. If >your > >argument is that God wants his sheep to be ignorant, than either your >idea > >of God is wrong or God itself is wrong. It's that simple Bill. > > > >"It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let >God > >be God, and let you, his creation be his creation" > > > >I see Einstein's question cannot be answered by you. Freewill and an > >all-knowing God contradict each other. 'nuff said. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he > >predetermined > > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not > >sayabsolute > > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you > >will > > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots > >and > > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). >You > > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and >therefore, > > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, >then > > >sin > > >is a non-issue. > > > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your > >wonderful > > >free will." > > > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God > >already > > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > > >would > > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to > >Hell > > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. > >So > > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it > >defies > > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he >is > > >not worthy of your worship. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >@gigagod.com> > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and > >follows > > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is >the > > > >champion!!!" > > > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot > >about > > > >your level of education. > > > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > > >everything, > > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then > >our > > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be >such > >a > > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if >our > > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > > >despite > > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Mark > > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > > >elections. > > > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:32:17 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f273.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.51]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:31:36 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:31:36 -0800 Received: from 152.163.201.209 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:31:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.209] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:31:35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2000 07:31:36.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2477740:01C06A56] ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/20/2000 07:10:27 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net, spambuster@gigagod.com CC: DWise1 >>What is Truth?<< It is appropriate that you should ask that question, since you are obviously so unfamiliar with the truth. The truth is arrived at by examining the facts. YOU, Bill Morgan, have consistently run from the facts, showing that you are afraid of the truth. YOU, Bill Morgan, have consistently blocked our attempts to have the facts examined, showing that you hate the truth. Elsewhere, you claim to be serving the truth, yet in all your actions we have seen that you are fighting against the truth. Your hypocrisy makes it abundantly clear that you must be serving the Enemy of Truth. "An elder must not be a new Christian, because he might be proud of being chosen so soon, and the Devil will use that pride to make him fall." (1 Timothy 3:6) Bill Morgan, your insistence on meeting at Denny's is nothing but a diversionary trick to keep us from attending to the serious business of examining the facts in this matter so that we can find a resolution. This "suspension" game is yet another childish trick of yours to block resolution. Your hateful behavior is just a trick to draw us away from resolving the problems and the mess that YOU have created with your slanderous accusations. Bill Morgan, you know what accusations you have made against me and you know on what dates you had made them and you have the ENTIRE transcript of our correspondence. Within the week (ie, by 27 Dec 2000), you will present to us the ACTUAL TEXT of the messages that I had sent that you claim to base your accusations on. You have no excuses. Bill Morgan, YOU are the culprit! YOU are the transgressor! YOU are the one who needs to atone! Mark, please make sure to pass this on to Bill Morgan in case he is playing the childish game of ignoring my messages. ################################################ Subj: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: 12/20/2000 14:07:06 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Bill Morgan , you wrote: "I thought you denied being an atheist." I carry on discussions with people to learn. Whether I am an atheist, agnostic, mono-theist, polytheist, or whtever is not the issue. "And again, Dave is violating the terms of the suspension by sending me e mail." And again, keep me out of your childish games. They bore me to tears. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > >Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:38:14 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"You say God is all knowing, I agree." > >I never said God even exists. What I said was IF God exists AND he is >all-knowing, then ... I am taking a logical journey based on that axiom. > >"To you , all knowing means all meddling, that God caused Clinton to cheat >on his wife." > >That's not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that IF God is >all-knowing then our futures are set and we actually have no choices to >make; therefore, sin is an illusion. > >"Your definitions lead you to irrational conclusions." > >You have not exposed any irrational conclusions based upon what I have >said. > >"I recall you said you beleive in God, tell me about God." > >I said that? > >"PS Please tell Dave he is violating the unilateral terms of his >suspension, I saw some mail of his in my in box." > >I am not a party to your childish games. > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > >From: "Mark" > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"The Bible tells us you have free will..." > > > >The Bible also says that God is all-knowing. The contradiction is that > >these two things exist together. > > > >"Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of > >God, > >his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and >believe > >in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience)." > > > >Making you aware of Biblical/philosophical inconsistencies is not >something > >I do for the sake of convenience. It's pleasurable I must admit but only > >because it further propels me toward the truth. > > > >"Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > >range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up >objections > >based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot >to > >save his butt ox." > > > >This seems to be a common axiom amoung Christians today. They, like you, > >believe that the brain cannot be used to learn about God. No wonder why >so > >many intelligent people find themselves rejecting an archaic myth. If >your > >argument is that God wants his sheep to be ignorant, than either your >idea > >of God is wrong or God itself is wrong. It's that simple Bill. > > > >"It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let >God > >be God, and let you, his creation be his creation" > > > >I see Einstein's question cannot be answered by you. Freewill and an > >all-knowing God contradict each other. 'nuff said. > > > >= ) > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he > >predetermined > > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not > >sayabsolute > > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you > >will > > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots > >and > > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). >You > > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and >therefore, > > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, >then > > >sin > > >is a non-issue. > > > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your > >wonderful > > >free will." > > > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God > >already > > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > > >would > > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to > >Hell > > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. > >So > > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it > >defies > > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he >is > > >not worthy of your worship. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >@gigagod.com> > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and > >follows > > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is >the > > > >champion!!!" > > > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot > >about > > > >your level of education. > > > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > > >everything, > > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then > >our > > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be >such > >a > > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if >our > > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > > >despite > > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Mark > > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > > >elections. > > > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (rly-xa03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.72]) by air-xa05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:07:06 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:06:45 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBKM6cT03867; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:06:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <001c01c06ad1$796141e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Teach/learn/Teach/learn Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:09:03 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: 12/20/2000 14:17:16 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: <> This means that future is set, Bill. If God knows what the future will bring, then individual choice is an illusion. We feel as though we are making choices but none actually exist. God set into motion a world in which he knew the outcome. Therefore, he knowingly sends people to Hell -- eternal damnation. Nice domino analogy. This obviously runs contrary to the mindframe of a Christian God. Therefore God must not be all-knowing and freewill must not exist, making sin a non-issue. <> It turns out that an all-knowing God and individual freewill contradict each other. One or the other must exist, but not both together. I see you are appauled by a God who would purposefully send people to an eternity in Hell, so he must not be all-knowing and therefore freewill must exist. This means that God is ignorant of parts of his own creation but the concept of sin is sound. Yet if the Bible is God's word and his word is flawed, why place importance on it over other flawed works? <> You don't seem to see the contradiction between an all-knowing God and individual freewill. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (rly-ye04.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.201]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:17:16 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-ye04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:16:52 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBKMGnT07478; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:16:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <001f01c06ad2$e57684c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 13 days left in the suspension Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:19:18 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Einstein vs the 2 Bills Date: 12/20/2000 14:19:17 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), BillBeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@aol.com Einstein's Question: If God is all-knowing and knows our future, isn't freewill an illusion -- making sin a non-issue? = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morgan To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:54 AM Subject: Einstein vs the 2 Bills What was Al's question? >From: "Mark" >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" >, >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! ... that X-tians can't >answer... >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:38:41 -0600 > >Bill Bequette , you wrote: > >"Why is it you atheists are so nasty?" > >Why is it that modern-day Christians view thinkers as being nasty? If you >believe that your God gave us a brain so that we shouldn't use it, either >your view of God is very flawed or God is a sadist. What other choice >could >there be? > >"Jesus loves you!" > >If I told you 'Captain Crunch' loves you, would it mean anthing to you? >When you write 'Jesus loves you', it means absolutely nothing to me. >Fictional, supernatural characters -- however entertaining -- cannot invoke >powers of love. > >"And I do also!" > >[Mark blushes...] > >"So don't be so defensive. Otherwise Janet Reno will have to spank you!" > >Funny, I bring to your attention that you cannot answer Einstein's question >and you go on about Barbera Steisand and Janet Reno spanking me. Who's >deflecting the conversation in a defensive manner? > >= ) > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Morgan" >To: ; ; >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:40 AM >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > > > Mark: that is not what I said. But lets keep things simple. > > > > The Bible tells us you have free will; > > > > For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son that >WHOSOEVER > > believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. > > > > WHOSEVER...conditional. > > > > Now you , or I could forget what our role is, and create this image of >God, > > his rules and limitations and creat an image we refuse to trust and >believe > > in (I think that is exactly what you are doing out of convienience). > > > > Suppose a private in the army was told to practice shooting on the rifle > > range. he could over philosphize into refusing to, dreaming up >objections > > based on his logic, but he general's logic was he should learn to shoot >to > > save his butt ox. > > > > It is healthy and fine to try to figure God out, but when in doubt let >God > > be God, and let you, his creation be his creation > > > > > > >From: "Mark" > > >To: "Bill Morgan" , , > > > > > >Subject: Re: Finally! an intellgent question! > > >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:43:57 -0600 > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > >"Does god know the future? I beleive yes. Does that mean he >predetermined > > >it? I think no. Here is my best explanation (notice I did not >sayabsolute > > >truth): You got two kids. you sit them down and explain to them "you >will > > >have free reign of the kitchen. My will fo r you is to eat the carrots >and > > >apples and not the ice cream but you can do as you wish (free will). >You > > >leave, you know which kid will obey, out of their free will." > > > > > >This means that the future is fixed, choice is an illusion and >therefore, > > >there is no such thing as freewill. Since freewill does not exist, >then > > >sin > > >is a non-issue. > > > > > >"Mak you can love or hate God or mock God or deny God...its your >wonderful > > >free will." > > > > > >According to your thought-process, the future is fixed because God >already > > >knows it. When he created the Cosmos -- by your reasoning -- he knew I > > >would > > >be created and would mock the notion of him. This will sentence me to >Hell > > >because I do not accept a mythical character named Jesus as my savior. >So > > >God created me to send me to Hell. Since this logic is sound yet it >defies > > >a loving deity, either God is not all-knowing or he is sadistic and he >is > > >not worthy of your worship. > > > > > >Mark > > >The Liberator > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > >@gigagod.com> > > > >To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:43:50 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bill Bequette, you wrote: > > > > > > > >"God does take sides. If Bush will be better for the country and >follows > > > >God's laws (The Bible) more than Gorbo then Bush will win. Bush is >the > > > >champion!!!" > > > > > > > >If I thought you were joking, I would laugh, but knowing that you are > > > >serious about a deity who is interested in our politics says a lot >about > > > >your level of education. > > > > > > > >Here's a thought that you never responded to: If your God knows > > >everything, > > > >then does freewill exist? If he knows what is going to happen, then >our > > > >having a choice is just an illusion. Therefore, there must not be >such >a > > > >thing as sin since our actions are already pre-determined. And if >our > > > >actions are predetermined, then God must be sending people to Hell > > >despite > > > >these people not having the ability to choose better paths in life. > > > > > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Mark > > > >To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@aol.com > > > >Cc: editor@liberator.net > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:17 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Pat/Palm Beach > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > > > > > >"Bill Bush won! Yor prayers worked!" > > > > > > > >I would like to think that a deity doesn't take sides in political > > > >elections. > > > > > > > >I would also like to think that a deity wouldn't take sides in war... > > > > > > > >= ) > > > > > > > >Mark > > > >The Liberator > > > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > > > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_ > > >_________ > > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:19:17 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:58 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBKMIrT08228; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:18:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <002601c06ad3$2f7340e0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: Einstein vs the 2 Bills Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:21:22 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/20/2000 17:58:22 Pacific Standard Time From: DWise1 To: billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: DWise1, spambuster@gigagod.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net In a message dated 12/18/2000 23:16:39 Pacific Standard Time, billyjack1@hotmail.com writes: << At last your side acknowledges my engineering achievements! >> Uh, excuse me, Bill Morgan! Just what the hell are you trying to say there? ARE YOU STILL FALSELY ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SLANDERED YOUR PROFESSIONAL STANDING ON MY WEB SITE? AFTER YOU *A*D*M*I*T*T*E*D* THAT YOU HAD NO EVIDENCE? THAT YOU COULD ONLY VAGUELY RECALL? AND AFTER I HAD TOLD YOU TO LOOK IT UP?!?! Is that what you are doing here, Bill Morgan? Because I never wrote what you vaguely think that I had written. I thought that we had already put that one to rest, since we were waiting for YOU to see what had actually been written. YOU find the evidence on my site and present it to us. Until then, I'll have to log it as yet another slanderous accusation that you have made against me. Mark, I'm sorry to have to ask this of you, but please pass this on to Bill Morgan so that he cannot turn a blind eye to it. I'd like to nip this accusation in the bud before I have to add it to the ever-growing list of false and slanderous accusations having been leveled by that "super-Christian", Bill Morgan. PS Mark, I seem to recall that you live in or near Chicago. I think that it is very unreasonable for Bill & Bill to expect you to fly all the way out here just for the pleasure of having them jerk you around in person. I really think that Bill and/or Bill should foot the entire bill for flying you out here and back home again, plus lodging and incidentals, plus the meal. What do you think? ################################################ Subj: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: 12/20/2000 21:01:47 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com CC: billbeq@mediaone.net , you wrote: In a message dated 12/18/2000 23:16:39 Pacific Standard Time, billyjack1@hotmail.com writes: << At last your side acknowledges my engineering achievements! >> Uh, excuse me, Bill Morgan! Just what the hell are you trying to say there? ARE YOU STILL FALSELY ACCUSING ME OF HAVING SLANDERED YOUR PROFESSIONAL STANDING ON MY WEB SITE? AFTER YOU *A*D*M*I*T*T*E*D* THAT YOU HAD NO EVIDENCE? THAT YOU COULD ONLY VAGUELY RECALL? AND AFTER I HAD TOLD YOU TO LOOK IT UP?!?! Is that what you are doing here, Bill Morgan? Because I never wrote what you vaguely think that I had written. I thought that we had already put that one to rest, since we were waiting for YOU to see what had actually been written. YOU find the evidence on my site and present it to us. Until then, I'll have to log it as yet another slanderous accusation that you have made against me. Mark, I'm sorry to have to ask this of you, but please pass this on to Bill Morgan so that he cannot turn a blind eye to it. I'd like to nip this accusation in the bud before I have to add it to the ever-growing list of false and slanderous accusations having been leveled by that "super-Christian", Bill Morgan. PS Mark, I seem to recall that you live in or near Chicago. I think that it is very unreasonable for Bill & Bill to expect you to fly all the way out here just for the pleasure of having them jerk you around in person. I really think that Bill and/or Bill should foot the entire bill for flying you out here and back home again, plus lodging and incidentals, plus the meal. What do you think? ---------------------- If they are willing to fund the trip, I'll be happy to travel from Chicago. = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:47 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:01:36 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBL51UT73047; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:01:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <005b01c06b0b$6f8567c0$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , Cc: References: <94.dda88e4.2772bdbe@aol.com> Subject: Re: Jesus Evidnce Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:03:57 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 23-Dec-00 08:45:21 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: DWise1@aol.com, billyjack1@hotmail.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: "...my position [is that the future] is known by God, not set." You see, knowing what the future will bring indicates that the future IS set. No matter what one does, a certain outcome will happen and God knows it. This demonstrates that the future is set and freewill does not exist. "But all we can know about God is what is revealed in the Bible and by our conscience (Romans chapter 1 and 2)." Just because the Bible says that it is so, doesn't mean it is so. "And the Bible says we choose. How can that be preplanned." That's the contradiction. The Bible says that God is all-knowing yet it also says we have freewill. Both of these axioms cannot possibly be true. Therefore, the Bible contains at least one flaw -- a contradiction -- making it less than perfect, which further demonstrates that the word of God is not sound. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:45:20 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:44:53 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBNGiqK23981; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:44:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <017001c06d00$04d57720$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: , , References: Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:47:20 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 24-Dec-00 00:11:55 Pacific Standard Time From: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan) To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Again, I am trying, but failing to get you to acknowledge (but not accpet necessarily) that the future is known, but not set. If God "set" it so someone would reject Him and then spend eternity in the Lake of Fire, that would make him unloving. Remember, God is love. >From: "Mark" >To: , , >Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:47:20 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"...my position [is that the future] is known by God, not set." > >You see, knowing what the future will bring indicates that the future IS >set. No matter what one does, a certain outcome will happen and God knows >it. This demonstrates that the future is set and freewill does not exist. > >"But all we can know about God is what is revealed in the Bible and by our >conscience (Romans chapter 1 and 2)." > >Just because the Bible says that it is so, doesn't mean it is so. > >"And the Bible says we choose. How can that be preplanned." > >That's the contradiction. The Bible says that God is all-knowing yet it >also says we have freewill. Both of these axioms cannot possibly be true. >Therefore, the Bible contains at least one flaw -- a contradiction -- >making >it less than perfect, which further demonstrates that the word of God is >not >sound. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:11:54 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f177.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.177]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:11:28 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:11:27 -0800 Received: from 205.188.197.38 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:11:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.38] From: "Bill Morgan" To: spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:11:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2000 08:11:27.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D7109D0:01C06D81] ################################################ Subj: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 24-Dec-00 07:48:50 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com, billbeq@mediaone.net Bill Morgan , you wrote: "Again, I am trying, but failing to get you to acknowledge (but not accpet necessarily) that the future is known, but not set." If the future IS known then it must be set. This is the crux of the argument. If God knows exactly what is going to happen then we cannot avoid no matter how hard we try. "If God 'set' it so someone would reject Him and then spend eternity in the Lake of Fire, that would make him unloving. Remember, God is love." It sounds like you are making the argument that freewill must exist. Since an all-knowing God and individual freewill run at odds with one another, it sounds like you are choosing freewill instead of an all-knowing God. A flawed God would therefore not purposefully doom someone by creating a Universe where there is no choice. In short, if you want a God of love, this God is not all-knowing. Now you must accept that your God has limited knowledge. Run with that, Bill. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ >From: "Mark" >To: , , >Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:47:20 -0600 > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > >"...my position [is that the future] is known by God, not set." > >You see, knowing what the future will bring indicates that the future IS >set. No matter what one does, a certain outcome will happen and God knows >it. This demonstrates that the future is set and freewill does not exist. > >"But all we can know about God is what is revealed in the Bible and by our >conscience (Romans chapter 1 and 2)." > >Just because the Bible says that it is so, doesn't mean it is so. > >"And the Bible says we choose. How can that be preplanned." > >That's the contradiction. The Bible says that God is all-knowing yet it >also says we have freewill. Both of these axioms cannot possibly be true. >Therefore, the Bible contains at least one flaw -- a contradiction -- >making >it less than perfect, which further demonstrates that the word of God is >not >sound. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:48:50 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:48:31 -0500 Received: from liber8r (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBOFmTe44359; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:48:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <006201c06dc1$4f1a1900$052a03c7@liber8r> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:50:57 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 24-Dec-00 09:22:46 Pacific Standard Time From: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), spambuster@gigagod.com, DWise1@aol.com John 3:16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:11 AM Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > Again, I am trying, but failing to get you to acknowledge (but not accpet > necessarily) that the future is known, but not set. > > If God "set" it so someone would reject Him and then spend eternity in the > Lake of Fire, that would make him unloving. Remember, God is love. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: , , > >Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:47:20 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"...my position [is that the future] is known by God, not set." > > > >You see, knowing what the future will bring indicates that the future IS > >set. No matter what one does, a certain outcome will happen and God knows > >it. This demonstrates that the future is set and freewill does not exist. > > > >"But all we can know about God is what is revealed in the Bible and by our > >conscience (Romans chapter 1 and 2)." > > > >Just because the Bible says that it is so, doesn't mean it is so. > > > >"And the Bible says we choose. How can that be preplanned." > > > >That's the contradiction. The Bible says that God is all-knowing yet it > >also says we have freewill. Both of these axioms cannot possibly be true. > >Therefore, the Bible contains at least one flaw -- a contradiction -- > >making > >it less than perfect, which further demonstrates that the word of God is > >not > >sound. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:22:46 -0500 Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:22:41 -0500 Received: from bb (we-24-130-112-49.we.mediaone.net [24.130.112.49]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07252; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:22:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701c06dce$89fb1d00$31708218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Bill Morgan" , , References: Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:25:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ################################################ Subj: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 25-Dec-00 12:05:12 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: BillBeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@aol.com Bill Bequette , you wrote: "John 3:16" If you are incapable of reflecting in your own words and would rather deflect with Bible quotes, please do not bother sending further messages. Bonehead religionists do nothing for me, accept make themselves look very stupid. Happy Winter Solctice = ) Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morgan" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:11 AM Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > Again, I am trying, but failing to get you to acknowledge (but not accpet > necessarily) that the future is known, but not set. > > If God "set" it so someone would reject Him and then spend eternity in the > Lake of Fire, that would make him unloving. Remember, God is love. > > > >From: "Mark" > >To: , , > >Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:47:20 -0600 > > > >Bill Morgan , you wrote: > > > >"...my position [is that the future] is known by God, not set." > > > >You see, knowing what the future will bring indicates that the future IS > >set. No matter what one does, a certain outcome will happen and God knows > >it. This demonstrates that the future is set and freewill does not exist. > > > >"But all we can know about God is what is revealed in the Bible and by our > >conscience (Romans chapter 1 and 2)." > > > >Just because the Bible says that it is so, doesn't mean it is so. > > > >"And the Bible says we choose. How can that be preplanned." > > > >That's the contradiction. The Bible says that God is all-knowing yet it > >also says we have freewill. Both of these axioms cannot possibly be true. > >Therefore, the Bible contains at least one flaw -- a contradiction -- > >making > >it less than perfect, which further demonstrates that the word of God is > >not > >sound. > > > >Mark > >The Liberator > >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net > >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:05:12 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:04:50 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBPK4lN88177; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:04:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <001301c06eae$487584c0$052a03c7@oemcomputer> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Bequette" , "Bill Morgan" , References: <000701c06dce$89fb1d00$31708218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:07:17 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 25-Dec-00 17:28:17 Pacific Standard Time From: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark) To: billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), billbeq@mediaone.net, DWise1@AOL.com Bill, I will no longer be able to receive e-mail from you. I have placed you on ignore for mindlessly sending me Bible quotes. Have a good life. I'll be thinking for the two of us. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Bill Bequette Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Bill, If you send another mindless Bible quote to me, I will be forced to place you on ignore. You have been forewarned. Mark The Liberator E-Mail: editor@liberator.net Web Site: http://liberator.net/ P.S. You have a brain so please use it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bequette To: Mark Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd01.mx.aol.com (rly-xd01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.166]) by air-xd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:28:17 -0500 Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (kitten2.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by rly-xd01.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:27:58 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (liber8r.pr.mcs.net [199.3.42.5]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBQ1Roi14227; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:27:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from spambuster@gigagod.com) Message-ID: <00a101c06edb$697bfb40$052a03c7@oemcomputer> From: "Mark" To: "Bill Morgan" , , Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:30:19 -0600 Organization: n/a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ################################################ Subj: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: 25-Dec-00 21:04:00 Pacific Standard Time From: billbeq@mediaone.net (Bill Bequette) To: spambuster@gigagod.com (Mark), billyjack1@hotmail.com (Bill Morgan), DWise1@AOL.com Jesus Loves You Mark! -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Bill Morgan ; billbeq@mediaone.net ; DWise1@AOL.com Date: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:28 PM Subject: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. >Bill, > >I will no longer be able to receive e-mail from you. I have placed you on >ignore for mindlessly sending me Bible quotes. > >Have a good life. > >I'll be thinking for the two of us. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark >To: Bill Bequette >Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:04 PM >Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > > >Bill, > >If you send another mindless Bible quote to me, I will be forced to place >you on ignore. > >You have been forewarned. > >Mark >The Liberator >E-Mail: editor@liberator.net >Web Site: http://liberator.net/ > >P.S. You have a brain so please use it. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Bequette >To: Mark >Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 6:51 PM >Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. > > >"Whoever acknowledges me before men, >I will also acknowledge him before my Father >in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, >I will disown him before my Father in heaven." > >Matthew 10:32 > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:04:00 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:03:56 -0500 Received: from wb (we-24-130-113-13.we.mediaone.net [24.130.113.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09472; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:03:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c06ef9$b92b2b20$0d718218@wb.we.mediaone.net> From: "Bill Bequette" To: "Mark" , "Bill Morgan" , Subject: Re: God cannot be all-knowing if freewill exists. Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:07:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3